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mozart4898 · 07/14/2006, 12:16 PM

Well, I read this thread yesterday and then after you posted in my thread asking my advice, I thought I'd come back again...

Honestly, I don't know how practical this really would be for us. If someone was out to prove the N/A capability of this engine, this would definitely be a good route to go. However, 6 throttle bodies, one for each cylinder, there's no way you'd be able to get the stock ECU to handle that. I don't think there'd even be a way with a reflash. I'm 99.99% positive you'd need a standalone to control this. I know for a fact that Kris (Clipse3GT) spent probably almost $4000 getting his Haltech to work (parts and tuning). (And work it does...) But that's with he himself doing the install and then having the baseline tuned at a shop. And then the 6 pack throttle body from RPW is what, like $2000 as well? So figure at a minimum you'd probably be looking at $6000 to get this up and running...and then how streetable will it really be? No way to know since no one else has done it on our cars.

Not saying you're not willing to put some money into your car (and I really do understand the whole thing about researching and planning your path without buying parts haphazardly...however it's hard for me to keep from buying some things now and then so I haven't been able to stick quite to it like that...), but I think that, especially given what your goals seem to be, if you're planning to drop $6000 on your car, you'd be a lot further ahead to get either a Tearstone turbo or SDS, OR go with the N/A route that's been discussed by you, me, and several others - cams, P&P, throttle body/intake manifold (manifold not in your case), possibly higher compression (again in your case you've already got 10:1), and then eManage.

In short, unless you win the lottery soon Arachno, I don't think the ITB idea is too practical for our cars. Now if someone has an almost endless bank and wanted to try it for $hits and giggles, well then, more power to them. I just hope they don't think they're going to have a good grocery getter...unless they like ricing around, cruising at 5000 RPMs

Although I am a big supporter of the idea that "it's your car, if it makes you happy, then it's cool." (i.e. I'm not the one who tells people who ask questions about, say, an all wheel drive 3G, "Just buy an Evo.") If you want to be the guinea pig for us and try it, I'd love to see how it works out.

07/14/2006, 12:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
mozart4898 back to the 3G... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Woodville, OH Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse Spyder GT Posts: 1,654	Well, I read this thread yesterday and then after you posted in my thread asking my advice, I thought I'd come back again... Honestly, I don't know how practical this really would be for us. If someone was out to prove the N/A capability of this engine, this would definitely be a good route to go. However, 6 throttle bodies, one for each cylinder, there's no way you'd be able to get the stock ECU to handle that. I don't think there'd even be a way with a reflash. I'm 99.99% positive you'd need a standalone to control this. I know for a fact that Kris (Clipse3GT) spent probably almost $4000 getting his Haltech to work (parts and tuning). (And work it does...) But that's with he himself doing the install and then having the baseline tuned at a shop. And then the 6 pack throttle body from RPW is what, like $2000 as well? So figure at a minimum you'd probably be looking at $6000 to get this up and running...and then how streetable will it really be? No way to know since no one else has done it on our cars. Not saying you're not willing to put some money into your car (and I really do understand the whole thing about researching and planning your path without buying parts haphazardly...however it's hard for me to keep from buying some things now and then so I haven't been able to stick quite to it like that...), but I think that, especially given what your goals seem to be, if you're planning to drop $6000 on your car, you'd be a lot further ahead to get either a Tearstone turbo or SDS, OR go with the N/A route that's been discussed by you, me, and several others - cams, P&P, throttle body/intake manifold (manifold not in your case), possibly higher compression (again in your case you've already got 10:1), and then eManage. In short, unless you win the lottery soon Arachno, I don't think the ITB idea is too practical for our cars. Now if someone has an almost endless bank and wanted to try it for $hits and giggles, well then, more power to them. I just hope they don't think they're going to have a good grocery getter...unless they like ricing around, cruising at 5000 RPMs Although I am a big supporter of the idea that "it's your car, if it makes you happy, then it's cool." (i.e. I'm not the one who tells people who ask questions about, say, an all wheel drive 3G, "Just buy an Evo.") If you want to be the guinea pig for us and try it, I'd love to see how it works out. Last edited by mozart4898; 07/14/2006 at 12:18 PM.