1G 93 Eclipse, what parts would you reconmend?

[AzN-SoLjA]

My buddy just ordered a new 93 Stage 1 Block (4g63 T 2.0) from slowboy

As far as upgrading the turbo to the Evo III 16G
What parts would you reconmended to support the Evo III 16G?

Like the fuel pump, injectors, e-manage?/boost controller, etc.

As side note, he does have a new head however its just OEM
Will it be ok to use on the new turbo? Or should he upgrade that as well?
Or what would be considered a safe boosting level for him?

[01'3gGT]

does he have money?

[bluegs03]

Originally Posted by AzN-SoLjA

My buddy just ordered a new 93 Stage 1 Block (4g63 T 2.0) from slowboy

As far as upgrading the turbo to the Evo III 16G
What parts would you reconmended to support the Evo III 16G?

Like the fuel pump, injectors, e-manage?/boost controller, etc.

As side note, he does have a new head however its just OEM
Will it be ok to use on the new turbo? Or should he upgrade that as well?
Or what would be considered a safe boosting level for him?

The recommended parts to support an evo 16g is larger fuel injectors, maybe 750's+? (this completely depends on his goals larger hp=bigger injectors) manual boost controller, a walbro 190lh fuel pump. In regards to the tuning device that all depends on his goals, if it was me i would go with the dsm link and not worry about tuning ever again. But if hes just shooting for 250 whp then he can get away with a SAFCII, which are pretty cheap if your on a budget.
Also a FPR isnt nessary but can be if hes planning on running high hp levels because the stock one gets overwhelmed at about 300ish whp.

Also look at the bottom of this post and make sure hes done the nessary begginers mods so he can get the most outta his 16g. (intake downpipe exhaust etc)

A safe boost level depends on a few factors, one is he new to tuning, is he tuning it or a professional? because 15 psi would be nice if hes tuning it, but if a professional is tuning it he can bump it up to 20+ psi (these are all very general numbers). To start out with just leave the boost alone and work with the stock boost level you can always raise it later.

OEM head is just fine and will not be a problem till about 400-500 whp.

btw i would have him make sure hes done all of his maintence and follow this upgrade path so he doesnt run into problems.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gtupgrades

[AzN-SoLjA]

Originally Posted by 01'3gGT

does he have money?

Duh, I mean he just bought a $2,400 Engine.

SBR Stage 1 Race Block - Forged Pistons, 1G Big Rods, 1G Big Rods that have been fully magnafluxed and shot-peened, Wiseco Forged Racing Pistons, and a 3 stage race hone.

Hes gonna do all this over summer.
Only post helpful material please.

Originally Posted by bluegs03

The recommended parts to support an evo 16g is larger fuel injectors, maybe 750's+? (this completely depends on his goals larger hp=bigger injectors) manual boost controller, a walbro 190lh fuel pump. In regards to the tuning device that all depends on his goals, if it was me i would go with the dsm link and not worry about tuning ever again. But if hes just shooting for 250 whp then he can get away with a SAFCII, which are pretty cheap if your on a budget.
Also a FPR isnt nessary but can be if hes planning on running high hp levels because the stock one gets overwhelmed at about 300ish whp.

Also look at the bottom of this post and make sure hes done the nessary begginers mods so he can get the most outta his 16g. (intake downpipe exhaust etc)

A safe boost level depends on a few factors, one is he new to tuning, is he tuning it or a professional? because 15 psi would be nice if hes tuning it, but if a professional is tuning it he can bump it up to 20+ psi (these are all very general numbers). To start out with just leave the boost alone and work with the stock boost level you can always raise it later.

OEM head is just fine and will not be a problem till about 400-500 whp.

btw i would have him make sure hes done all of his maintence and follow this upgrade path so he doesnt run into problems.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gtupgrades

Ah thank you, I guess I should toss out a little bit more info from my side.

The stage 1 short block can support up to 500hp, Brand new 0 miles.
He will be following maintence on time since its a brand new motor.

He doesnt plan on raising boost but was wondering with the Turbo upgrade (EVO III 16G) Since thats like the big daddy of 16g's, if the 14psi is gonna be fine, since you said the new OEM head is gonna be fine up to 500hp thats great. He might limit himself 10Psi for now though. Slowboy says it does around 280 - 380 HP. Its more than enough that he wants.

We will get it professionally tuned so it doesnt blow up or whatever but were gonna get some kind of a controller so its all ready n stuff.

Ive been tryin to read up on injectors n stuff too. And I was thinking the 450cc injectors should be able to do the job? And with the range of 280-380HP from the turbo, Im just wondering which injector/fuel pump would be good at these numbers.

And yes he will be getting the tipical stuff done before the turbo, intake, downpipe and exhuast. Anyone happen to know where he could find a GST exhuast? Most places that we've seen are for the GSX. Or should he just get a custom job done and what would be a good piping size for him to run?

[01'3gGT]

sorry that was my bad fornot explaining myself. I meant that so that way if he did I could throw you a list of good things he could put on his head. So yeah the stock head would work but since he's doing this over summer I would take it a get it port and polished, get a vavle job and replace the vavles with some fererra' or stainles steel ones. Also I would have him go to SBR website and purchase the 1,000 hp fuel system they have there. Its a really good investment. It comes with everything you need to boost high numbers fuel wise.

1,000 hp fuel system
Also if he wants a wide range of boost options I would recommend him getting a a boost controller. If he doent want anything spectacular the Greddy series are awesome for the job. If he wants a decent quality exhaust I would say to go to EBAY and for size that depends on what he wants to do in the upcoming months. If he isnt goin to go high HP then 2.5 would suffice but if he wants 350 and up I would ay go with a 3in. Is he goin to be running an external wastegate and a dump or will it be recirculating?

[bluegs03]

Originally Posted by 01'3gGT

sorry that was my bad fornot explaining myself. I meant that so that way if he did I could throw you a list of good things he could put on his head. So yeah the stock head would work but since he's doing this over summer I would take it a get it port and polished, get a vavle job and replace the vavles with some fererra' or stainles steel ones. Also I would have him go to SBR website and purchase the 1,000 hp fuel system they have there. Its a really good investment. It comes with everything you need to boost high numbers fuel wise.

1,000 hp fuel system
Also if he wants a wide range of boost options I would recommend him getting a a boost controller. If he doent want anything spectacular the Greddy series are awesome for the job. If he wants a decent quality exhaust I would say to go to EBAY and for size that depends on what he wants to do in the upcoming months. If he isnt goin to go high HP then 2.5 would suffice but if he wants 350 and up I would ay go with a 3in. Is he goin to be running an external wastegate and a dump or will it be recirculating?

wait wait wait the guy just said that he wanted 280-300 hp there is NO way he would need a 1000$ fuel system! As i said before you get a walbro 190l bigger fuel injectors and you are set up to 300 hp (which are his goals)also an evo 16g is internally wastegated so there is no need for an external wastegate

Also yes it is good to upgrade your head over the summer but for his goals not only is this a waste of money (which no one really has an excess of, or they would give it to me!) it is pointless, hes not going to see any improvement in power (or if he does it will be negligible), if hes really really worried about the head then have him buy a used one outta a junkyard and have a cylinder head shop rebuild it so its ready to drop in just in case. If you do alot of the work yourself it ends up costing like $300 in total (100ish for the head 200 for the machine work) that includes a valvejob, shaving the head flat, and reassembly.

To answer some of Azn's questions
In terms of fuel injectors all turbo charged eclipes come with 450cc injectors. Even so to be safe and to allow for better tuning i would upgrade the injectors to about... 750's depending on which tuning device you are using (SAFCII go lower than 750, DSM link, which he should be getting, you can go 750+)
Let me explain it this way you can always tell the injectors to flow less fuel but when they reach there max they have reached there max.

Also please please please get the dsmlink, lets just say that people have gone 8's on it in the 1/4th mile. Get it and never worry about buying a new tuning device ever again. www.dsmlink.com

In terms of raising the boost, two words DO IT! because honestly hes not gonna reach 280 whp without rasing the boost to about 15 psi and with his brand new engine this is perfectly safe, given that it is tuned properly. just get a manual boost controller if you do that.
*****and yes 14psi is just fine*****

What i did for my eclipse is just go to a muffler shop that does some aftermarket work and have them fab up and exhaust 2.5-3 inches, mine costed about $300 and i had no fitment problems. Egay, is fine for exhausts but you will have fitment problems.

Also let me introduce you to my online store this is the one stop shop for all of my dsm parts/upgrades. They also have the cheapest prices and if you happen to find a cheaper price they will match it. great shipping turn around as well.
www.extremepsi.com

[AzN-SoLjA]

Originally Posted by 01'3gGT

sorry that was my bad fornot explaining myself. I meant that so that way if he did I could throw you a list of good things he could put on his head. So yeah the stock head would work but since he's doing this over summer I would take it a get it port and polished, get a vavle job and replace the vavles with some fererra' or stainles steel ones. Also I would have him go to SBR website and purchase the 1,000 hp fuel system they have there. Its a really good investment. It comes with everything you need to boost high numbers fuel wise.

1,000 hp fuel system
Also if he wants a wide range of boost options I would recommend him getting a a boost controller. If he doent want anything spectacular the Greddy series are awesome for the job. If he wants a decent quality exhaust I would say to go to EBAY and for size that depends on what he wants to do in the upcoming months. If he isnt goin to go high HP then 2.5 would suffice but if he wants 350 and up I would ay go with a 3in. Is he goin to be running an external wastegate and a dump or will it be recirculating?

Yes its gonna be recirculating for awhile, till he gets the bypass. For now he will be using a greddy rs.

Originally Posted by bluegs03

wait wait wait the guy just said that he wanted 280-300 hp there is NO way he would need a 1000$ fuel system! As i said before you get a walbro 190l bigger fuel injectors and you are set up to 300 hp (which are his goals)also an evo 16g is internally wastegated so there is no need for an external wastegate

Also yes it is good to upgrade your head over the summer but for his goals not only is this a waste of money (which no one really has an excess of, or they would give it to me!) it is pointless, hes not going to see any improvement in power (or if he does it will be negligible), if hes really really worried about the head then have him buy a used one outta a junkyard and have a cylinder head shop rebuild it so its ready to drop in just in case. If you do alot of the work yourself it ends up costing like $300 in total (100ish for the head 200 for the machine work) that includes a valvejob, shaving the head flat, and reassembly.

To answer some of Azn's questions
In terms of fuel injectors all turbo charged eclipes come with 450cc injectors. Even so to be safe and to allow for better tuning i would upgrade the injectors to about... 750's depending on which tuning device you are using (SAFCII go lower than 750, DSM link, which he should be getting, you can go 750+)
Let me explain it this way you can always tell the injectors to flow less fuel but when they reach there max they have reached there max.

Also please please please get the dsmlink, lets just say that people have gone 8's on it in the 1/4th mile. Get it and never worry about buying a new tuning device ever again. www.dsmlink.com

In terms of raising the boost, two words DO IT! because honestly hes not gonna reach 280 whp without rasing the boost to about 15 psi and with his brand new engine this is perfectly safe, given that it is tuned properly. just get a manual boost controller if you do that.
*****and yes 14psi is just fine*****

What i did for my eclipse is just go to a muffler shop that does some aftermarket work and have them fab up and exhaust 2.5-3 inches, mine costed about $300 and i had no fitment problems. Egay, is fine for exhausts but you will have fitment problems.

Also let me introduce you to my online store this is the one stop shop for all of my dsm parts/upgrades. They also have the cheapest prices and if you happen to find a cheaper price they will match it. great shipping turn around as well.
www.extremepsi.com

Good stuff, yea for now were tryin to get a good laundry list going so over summer so we can buy all this stuff. And that website is awesome! Thanks.

[UNDR_PSI]

all depends on the overall goal for the car.. the set up on mine is EVOII 16g, 660cc injectors, 190lph pump and an safcII along with all the free mods and an open 3in DP. i made 254whp on 14psi with super rich AFRs (10:1 under boost) all on a stock motor with 157,xxx mi. On a side note SAFCs tend to have a hard time with injectors over 550cc..im going DSMlink and that would be my recomendation. Also the stock side mount is really only good to about 275whp before you have bad heatsoak issues..and get an ACT clutch before you do anything..theyre junk at anything above stock HP, as well as the stock DSM tranny...its a POS too..have shep build one.