What is your biggest beef with your Eclipse?

[GutBomb]

Wide turning radius makes U-turns annoying as shit.

Seriously love this car though.

[guadalaa09]

Not Good. I had this happen when I overheated my car due to a bad thermostat. Get a valve job at Napa that's what I did. Then I Changed everything from there on up. Head Gaskets, Water pump, Serpentine Belt, 24 lifters, and a new radiator.

[countryboy777]

In no way,shape or form does the 3g eclipse live up to its 2g sibling.
No turbo or AWD? V6 model that is heavy and uses premium.
Not to mention that these both the I4 and V6 come as SOHC engines??? WTF Mitsubishi.

The car is sexy and has gotten me to start easy conversations with some of the girls at the beach, but hell, no aftermarket. Even the toyota camry has a better aftermarket than us......ugghh

Still, it looks modern and fresh even in 2012.

[Silvertune]

My latest beef with the eclipse? That all its owners have such ridiculous beef.

[M0D1F13D]

My biggest problem with my 3g is the F/I support. There is none, practically anyone who tried a kit QUICKLY! discontinued it. Ripp is the only one with a somewhat solid support, but even they discontinued to build kits.

we can blow Honda's away, right? so why not get some kind of support. i understand the tuner community was upset with the release of the 3G, but it is now 2012! we need to get GREDDY and other and other major manufacturers' to support our platform at reasonable pricing.

There is NO reason an rsx-type s with higher compression then our platforms should have ready to go kits! 3900+tax is what it takes to turbo an rsx through GREDDY minus bov and I/C kit and Everyone knows you can get that kit cheaper then that.

[newdie]

Originally Posted by M0D1F13D

My biggest problem with my 3g is the F/I support. There is none, practically anyone who tried a kit QUICKLY! discontinued it. Ripp is the only one with a somewhat solid support, but even they discontinued to build kits.

we can blow Honda's away, right? so why not get some kind of support. i understand the tuner community was upset with the release of the 3G, but it is now 2012! we need to get GREDDY and other and other major manufacturers' to support our platform at reasonable pricing.

There is NO reason an rsx-type s with higher compression then our platforms should have ready to go kits! 3900+tax is what it takes to turbo an rsx through GREDDY minus bov and I/C kit and Everyone knows you can get that kit cheaper then that.

+1

[lugnut]

Originally Posted by Silvertune

My latest beef with the eclipse? That all its owners have such ridiculous beef.

I'm a noob here but I have been wondering about this. I have built more Jeep CJs than I can remember and have dabbled with a couple other brands and their respective forums. I have never been on one where the owners bash their own platform as much as this. Is it all in fun or do a lot of y'all hate these cars?

[Got Rice Boy]

Originally Posted by lugnut

I'm a noob here but I have been wondering about this. I have built more Jeep CJs than I can remember and have dabbled with a couple other brands and their respective forums. I have never been on one where the owners bash their own platform as much as this. Is it all in fun or do a lot of y'all hate these cars?

It is a hate love thing, much like a lot of cars.

I would say my only beef with it (besides it being slow and my radio quality sucks, but I really don't mind), is the shape of the wheel wells and the cheap dash.

[M0D1F13D]

It is not the fact of hating the platform. It has to do more with specific areas within the platform. I personally love the platform. I live in upstate NY and fwd ftw! I dont want AWD because i like the idea of competing against fwd's just because I can. My goal however, is to make daily driven power and reliability so i can contend in the power game but i still feel safe putting my baby in the back seat.

I'm not looking for 500hp, these cars are very capable of 300-350 hp without extreme problems. Pistons suck in my 2001 GT, but Mitsubishi messed up with the platform when they used some cheap product on what they call the luxury end of the eclipse design.

for what most refer to as a "chic's car" i laugh at because anyone who knows these cars knows that they have strong potential like any tuner car. It all comes down to loyalty and $$$

I think VW's and Evo's are f*cking ugly yet there is ppl out there that think they're sexy. Its personal perception

[Got Rice Boy]

Originally Posted by M0D1F13D

for what most refer to as a "chic's car" i laugh at because anyone who knows these cars knows that they have strong potential like any tuner car.

I know these cars have potential, but still doesn't change the fact that they are chick car's. They are more elegant looking than aggressive, half the owners are probably middle age women (and seems like the 2nd half is becomes high school kids), and...come on, if you can't admit it, then you are just in denial.

[thahnic1080]

My biggest beef right now is the dumb as dash bar that prevents me from tucking the "a" pillard tube close for my roll cage

[M0D1F13D]

1. yeah high school kids are ignorant most of the time and here "eclipse" and think everything is bolt-on power adders. I can't argue the women owners nor would i waste my time. I see a high majority of men driving them in my city, few girls, yes.

I was referring to the fact that becuase of that "tag" i guess or "label" we have a very good sleeper ability. When it is not 11 degrees outside i am going to take a few pictures of my car all I plan on doing for exterior is headlights and a carbon fiber hood with an 03 bumper (might keep the 01 bumper still in the air) aftermarket support or the lack there of is what is slowing me down. Mix and match custom kitting is annoying. like I stated in my biggest beef.

[Silvertune]

I'm still trying to figure out what exactly you guys think is missing from aftermarket support? I can't think of a part in the entire powertrain assembly or suspension that you can't buy an upgrade for or at least use a kindergartner's level of creativity to figure out on your own.

[M0D1F13D]

when I refer to after market support i mean complete kits, easy access, brand name manufacturers. greddy turbo kits, hks kits, comptech, skunk2 etc...etc... NOBODY carries kits. Yes Alot of people carry individual parts. I want to get boosted for $2500 like the honda guys do. My good friend got boosted for 1500 on his integra 6psi but hell that is a start now all he needs to do is start his internal build for real gains(I'm not referencing those knock-off EBAY kits either) he has a full greddy kit with I/C

[Silvertune]

This is it for my replies as this discussion doesn't belong in this thread but I will say this,

Honda's suck. It is universally agreed upon by the entire tuning world that honda's are pieces of garbage with no merit excluding the s2000. The mods and prices on there of reflect the modding society behind them; cheap and okay with it still being a piece of shit.

The "problem" with 3g's is not enough people modify them. The shadow of DSM is simply too dark to get the bandwagon going thus far and there aren't enough people willing to do the search and put the effort in to start one. The other problem is, anyone who IS willing to mod the 3g wouldn't be buying a POS bolt up kit anyway. We don't give two shits about name brand here; its the 3g, we don't get face value and we don't give it either.

[M0D1F13D]

Originally Posted by M0D1F13D

My biggest problem with my 3g is the F/I support. There is none, practically anyone who tried a kit QUICKLY! discontinued it. Ripp is the only one with a somewhat solid support, but even they discontinued to build kits.

we can blow Honda's away, right? so why not get some kind of support. i understand the tuner community was upset with the release of the 3G, but it is now 2012! we need to get GREDDY and other and other major manufacturers' to support our platform at reasonable pricing.

There is NO reason an rsx-type s with higher compression then our platforms should have ready to go kits! 3900+tax is what it takes to turbo an rsx through GREDDY minus bov and I/C kit and Everyone knows you can get that kit cheaper then that.

My original comment! skunk2 makes quality product and honda is very reliable, far from garbage. You twisted this topic to benefit your arguement. to judge a competitor is to show your ignorance because it is not the car per say it is the TUNER that designs the car that makes the desicion of building a platform. The main reason ppl don't pursue cars is because of narrow minded thinking. for instance, if greddy offered a t4 turbo 440 injectors emanage blue and all piping for 3900 like they do with the RSX then yes we would have a great following. Its not the lack of 3g'ers its the demise of the tuning community in whole. since the day the 3g was released it was shunned because of expectation. things change and its time the community recognized this and evolved

[thahnic1080]

Originally Posted by M0D1F13D

My original comment! skunk2 makes quality product and honda is very reliable, far from garbage. You twisted this topic to benefit your arguement. to judge a competitor is to show your ignorance because it is not the car per say it is the TUNER that designs the car that makes the desicion of building a platform. The main reason ppl don't pursue cars is because of narrow minded thinking. for instance, if greddy offered a t4 turbo 440 injectors emanage blue and all piping for 3900 like they do with the RSX then yes we would have a great following. Its not the lack of 3g'ers its the demise of the tuning community in whole. since the day the 3g was released it was shunned because of expectation. things change and its time the community recognized this and evolved

3900 for kit. Tearstone offered kits for around that price but majority of the 3g community are cheap asses and wont pay that amount.

[M0D1F13D]

I just found out i have a kid on the way today, so I got until just after tax season to get boosted as a dd before my tuner days goto the back burner for a while. And custom piping and all that would be ideal for me I love challenges but now I got a deadline and I want to be boosted before all my money goes to diapers and formula. I need one good toy before I start my family and that damn custom fabricating is holding me back. I really don't want to go sds. not to mention I don't have mass money i could use a proven kit that doesn't cost me my first child to put together

[WertyReborn]

Here's my beef in order of MOST HATED:

1. Squeaks and Rattles EVERYWHERE
2. Backseat is a JOKE
3. SLOW!
4. 3rd Gear has a shutter effect when engaging (auto tranny)
5. Aftermarket parts add no power (probably worsens power )
6. Not very air-tight (its colder in my car than it is outside in the winter...)
7. Takes forever to heat up
8. Thermostat goes crazy in every drive-thru i go in...(all the way past H)
9. Gas light comes on with 4.5 Gallons in the tank still remaining.
10. Losing almost every red light race I've ever been in...
11. Looking fast, but in reality, just driving a pretty turd on wheels.
12. Driver-bay exhaust noise level in that 1,000rpm-3,000rpm range
13. Hideous Amber orange stock color for all interior lighting
14. Too many more to list...

But it's all i got, so I guess I gotta love it...

[fvasconez62]

the beef i got with my eclipse. slow, cracked dashboard!, Vibration even after i changed all the motor mounts, automatics only have 4 gears .
at the end of the day i still love my eclipse because its easy to work on, with little of body work can move away from being called a "chick car" and 80% of people where i live dont know shyt bout cars and think its fast and always giving me compliments lol.

[jaloosk]

Originally Posted by WertyReborn

Here's my beef in order of MOST HATED:

1. Squeaks and Rattles EVERYWHERE
2. Backseat is a JOKE
3. SLOW!
4. 3rd Gear has a shutter effect when engaging (auto tranny)
5. Aftermarket parts add no power (probably worsens power )
6. Not very air-tight (its colder in my car than it is outside in the winter...)
7. Takes forever to heat up
8. Thermostat goes crazy in every drive-thru i go in...(all the way past H)
9. Gas light comes on with 4.5 Gallons in the tank still remaining.
10. Losing almost every red light race I've ever been in...
11. Looking fast, but in reality, just driving a pretty turd on wheels.
12. Driver-bay exhaust noise level in that 1,000rpm-3,000rpm range
13. Hideous Amber orange stock color for all interior lighting
14. Too many more to list...

But it's all i got, so I guess I gotta love it...

First off, you drive the shittiest of the 3G's, the venerable RS. You don't get to play this game, but whatever.

1. Buy some deadener.
2. Yes. Turn it into a giant subwoofer box.
3. Yes. Keeps the speeding tickets to a minimum.
4. Your car needs maintenance.
5. You should tune it after adding any parts.
6. Your car needs maintenance.
7. Your car needs maintenance.
8. YOUR CAR NEEDS MAINTENANCE!
9. So you won't run out of gas.
10. Fucking idiot. See #3.
11. See #3. Plus, girls like it.
12. Lose the stupid megan/OBX headers and/or prothanes.
13. LED swap, or Angel gauges.
14. Keep 'em coming.

All in all, I think you suck at cars.

[jaloosk]

Originally Posted by fvasconez62

the beef i got with my eclipse. slow, cracked dashboard!, Vibration even after i changed all the motor mounts, automatics only have 4 gears .
at the end of the day i still love my eclipse because its easy to work on, with little of body work can move away from being called a "chick car" and 80% of people where i live dont know shyt bout cars and think its fast and always giving me compliments lol.

Almost all slushboxes of its time (and price range) came with 4-speed auto's.

Also, did you replace with OEM mounts or prothanes?

[fvasconez62]

Originally Posted by jaloosk

Almost all slushboxes of its time (and price range) came with 4-speed auto's.

Also, did you replace with OEM mounts or prothanes?

prothanes, it does not vibrate the same as before. but still vibrates like at a red light around 600rpm to 1000rpm.

[jaloosk]

OEM won't do that. Especially on a GS. I know...I have the same problem and can't wait to get the OEM's back in when the weather gets better.

[fvasconez62]

yeah i might try oem in the summer as well. but i was also told it might be getting close to needing a tune up since it allready has 107k miles.

Originally Posted by jaloosk

OEM won't do that. Especially on a GS. I know...I have the same problem and can't wait to get the OEM's back in when the weather gets better.

[Montysport94]

Originally Posted by fvasconez62

prothanes, it does not vibrate the same as before. but still vibrates like at a red light around 600rpm to 1000rpm.

You're gonna get some vibration, at least. It's a large 4 cylinder, so the engine is relatively unstable. Even balance shafts won't get rid of it all.

[jaloosk]

Originally Posted by Montysport94

You're gonna get some vibration, at least. It's a large 4 cylinder, so the engine is relatively unstable. Even balance shafts won't get rid of it all.

"relatively unstable" is putting it lightly. The fucker vibrates more than a front-load washing machine with a cinder block in it.

[Drewski0523]

Originally Posted by jaloosk

"relatively unstable" is putting it lightly. The fucker vibrates more than a front-load washing machine with a cinder block in it.

damn Joel your on a role today with the smart ass funny comments.

However QFT

[Montysport94]

Originally Posted by jaloosk

"relatively unstable" is putting it lightly. The fucker vibrates more than a front-load washing machine with a cinder block in it.

The rear balance shaft on my car is off time because the damn bolt in the back of the block is rounded off thanks to the previous owners mechanic. So I'm stuck with it like that.

[jaloosk]

Drill it out

[Montysport94]

My Makita won't fit in the gap between the block and the firewall.

Oh and btw, I keep asking people this question and I never get an answer. The bolt on mine has an Allan head, is that what it's supposed to be, or at least is it like that on your car?

[jaloosk]

I don't remember seeing ANY allan bolts when I took apart my engine to replace the timing/balance shaft belts and water pump, but admittedly, I didn't specifically look for the BS bolt.

[Montysport94]

Originally Posted by jaloosk

I don't remember seeing ANY allan bolts when I took apart my engine to replace the timing/balance shaft belts and water pump, but admittedly, I didn't specifically look for the BS bolt.

Alright, thank you for clearing that up for me.

[WertyReborn]

Originally Posted by jaloosk

First off, you drive the shittiest of the 3G's, the venerable RS. You don't get to play this game, but whatever.

1. Buy some deadener.
2. Yes. Turn it into a giant subwoofer box.
3. Yes. Keeps the speeding tickets to a minimum.
4. Your car needs maintenance.
5. You should tune it after adding any parts.
6. Your car needs maintenance.
7. Your car needs maintenance.
8. YOUR CAR NEEDS MAINTENANCE!
9. So you won't run out of gas.
10. Fucking idiot. See #3.
11. See #3. Plus, girls like it.
12. Lose the stupid megan/OBX headers and/or prothanes.
13. LED swap, or Angel gauges.
14. Keep 'em coming.

All in all, I think you suck at cars.

How do "suck at cars"? I was just bitching about what I don't like about my eclipse (aka beef). There's no need to personally attack what I've done to my car and how I drive...why the hostility?


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[jaloosk]

Originally Posted by WertyReborn

How do "suck at cars"? I was just bitching about what I don't like about my eclipse (aka beef). There's no need to personally attack what I've done to my car and how I drive...why the hostility?


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You suck at cars because you're neglecting it. Just by your description alone it's screaming "take care of me".

[chris_eclipse]

In the winter when I get a good layer of ice on my hatch Beethoven's Symphony No.9 plays in my trunk.

[newdie]

Originally Posted by chris_eclipse

In the winter when I get a good layer of ice on my hatch Beethoven's Symphony No.9 plays in my trunk.

Happened to me this morning. Every time I have body flexing she starts singing.

[WertyReborn]

Originally Posted by newdie

Happened to me this morning. Every time I have body flexing she starts singing.

Haha yup! Having loud subs in the winter is almost useless...the squeak isn't even worth it. Sad day...

[505eclipse]

how my dash and center console are black and the rest is tan! i love the color combination but they shouldve added more black to other parts

[NJEclipse]

After reading this I have found that my car has everything that everyone has mentioned here .. but I dont really mind the turning radius to much. As for the squeaks and rattles yeah they can be annoying, the ride height is a little to high, but I have the GT and I think its plenty fast at least compared to my other car. The things that are wrong with it are completely overshadowed when I go to get my brother at his high school and when I pull up everyone turns and looks at the car .. that makes my day

Overall I really like the Eclipse, however I do want to ask a question of the Veterans of this forum. When I hit bumps at speed or even at low speed the rear of my car feels like it wants to jump to right. Like its rebounding that way, does that have something to do with bad suspension components? It is by no means undriveable but I do find it kind of annoying to feel that.

[chris_eclipse]

Unless there is something else wrong, I think you are just feeling the 3g's shoe box without a lid body flex. Maybe you should try a rear strut tower bar.

[CoronaStylez]

My beef is that before I even looked for this car I went here for research.
Thought I learned every gripe complaint and issue so I set out to find a GT with a stick and found one. Now I hear every creak and rattle, the wheel hop is pissing me off to no end having only driven RWD cars. The supid SRS keeps going on and off.

No, its fast...enough
No, it gets decent MPG
No, its got a high crash rating
No, it has enough room for a single guy.
But you know what my biggest beef is? That I don't have enough time or money to put into this car and its my daily driver... but when I do I will do the diamonds proud.

[AllaboutGT]

@ corona. The v6 motor is notorious for stock motor mounts going bad check them if ur getting massive wheel hop and vibration. Or get a ingals engine damper it's a cheap alternative to help wheel hop!

[gomer3G]

our cars get no respect. a dude with a 2003 mustang gt was talking shit about how slow my car was, so i street raced him and smoked him. he then went back to the cruise and started whining about he missed a shift, but he wouldnt race me again. i dont understand how people dont think these cars have just some power. everyone is always going off on how eclipses are chick cars.

[Montysport94]

Originally Posted by gomer3G

our cars get no respect. a dude with a 2003 mustang gt was talking shit about how slow my car was, so i street raced him and smoked him. he then went back to the cruise and started whining about he missed a shift, but he wouldnt race me again. i dont understand how people dont think these cars have just some power. everyone is always going off on how eclipses are chick cars.

Makes for a good sleeper.

[Crais]

I love both of my 3gs. My 01 has been reliable and still looks fantastic. There are a few things I would change though.
Metal timing belt covers or maybe a timing chain instead of a belt.
I'd also like it to fly, give blowjobs, manufacture money, and time travel.

[CoronaStylez]

Originally Posted by AllaboutGT

@ corona. The v6 motor is notorious for stock motor mounts going bad check them if ur getting massive wheel hop and vibration. Or get a ingals engine damper it's a cheap alternative to help wheel hop!

Yezzir, The front and sides are fine, I think the rear may be out. I scoped it out a while back going to order the prothane kit...and upper lower strut bars just in case. Really cheap for four mounts on summit racing, if that doesnt do it Ill get the ingals.

[Kingtiger01]

Originally Posted by 90everydirect

My complaints?
cupholder location, apolstry on my damn seats (looks like a greyhound bus...)

I Know this is a qoute of a Really old response... But, LMAO! i /KNEW/ i recognised the pattern from some where! Those stupid Comfortable "Looking"(But really as hard as Fibreglass covered plastic) Seats on Greyhound Bus's.... Thanks for the laugh Direct!

And i do hate the cupholder as well...

My other gripes: Poor rim Design(ive had 3 bad tires so far on the rearass. side, from rim air leaks getting low while im at work and having to fill every day. destroying the inner wall)

Poor Stock Soundsystem(Specifically the Headunit and Mids. Tweeters are pretty good, but dont have a lowpass inline...) Headunit is just Terrible... I mean its not bad for 2k-5 but its still poorly designed. Doesnt even play 700mb CD's! only 90's 600mb CD's

Dash Design: I love the wrap around dash my old Mk2 had, i feel like they tried to shove it all in a oval plastic Bubble!(on that note, does anyone know how to fabricate one, and if its legal?)

Body Wideness: its wide, but i feel not wide enough, from a interior perspective, it feels rather narrow.(again coming from a MK2...)

[dustin560]

iv owned 4 eclipse so far one 3g few other cars. Own problems I have with mine is it had a electrical problem where it would die at a idle. played around with a few thing and fixed it. No real complaints.

[Michael3g]

Cracked dash and worn leather seats ((


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[Michael3g]

Oh and cup holder position!.. Makes it a pita to shift when you have a drink :/


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[Butler]

In my area, upstate ny, rotting strut towers are becoming popular. I have seen about 5 3g's with a twisted hood because a strut went through the engine bay. I guess it's NY's way of lowering that ugly wheel gap

[jehuty]

My shitty own paint cancer.....other than that still love my 3g.

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[j0rg3]

On my 2000 GT:
-cracked dashboard
-the damn floormat gets behind the accelerator pedal and i wont get full throttle,lol.
-my A/C is not cold enough on hot days.
-The clear coat of the paint is falling apart.
-opening the sunroof is harder than it should be (press the open button,push it with you hand,press the button again).

Other than that i love this car i take good care of it,it is my daily driver,it's comfortable and it's pretty fast for being automatic (i never lost a race against another automatic car). I can keep with my friends 99 gsr 5-speed integra with bolts on (fender to fender). im keeping this car my entire life. Also my MPG is awesome for a v6.



02 spyder gs:

-Before the turbo it was very very slow.
-i had to replace the driveshafts 3 times.
-factory paint was gone when i got the car.
-oem rear brakes sucks.
-small trunk
-windows roll up very slow

This car is 10 year old now but the car is a head turner and i didn't had to spend alot of money boosting it.

i love the 3g... =)

[j0rg3]

Originally Posted by Silvertune

This is it for my replies as this discussion doesn't belong in this thread but I will say this,

Honda's suck. It is universally agreed upon by the entire tuning world that honda's are pieces of garbage with no merit excluding the s2000. The mods and prices on there of reflect the modding society behind them; cheap and okay with it still being a piece of shit.

The "problem" with 3g's is not enough people modify them. The shadow of DSM is simply too dark to get the bandwagon going thus far and there aren't enough people willing to do the search and put the effort in to start one. The other problem is, anyone who IS willing to mod the 3g wouldn't be buying a POS bolt up kit anyway. We don't give two shits about name brand here; its the 3g, we don't get face value and we don't give it either.

that's not true bro... They aren't "pieces of garbage" unless someone pretend to be a racer with a d-series engine. Any stock b18,b20 or h22 swaped in a hatchback will spank us with no problem . I dont even want to talk about the k20/k24 engines,that will be a massacre. I may get flamed for saying this but i have seen this with my own eyes.
don't get me wrong i like the 3g, i have 2 of them but the gs @ 12 psi is not enough to beat my brothers N/A torqueless b20 vtec. The fucker walks away everytime. Also those engines can handle alot of stress even with the stock internals.

[2002-Klypse]

1- Reverse never engages half the time.
2- 2nd gear seems to grind a little when its engaged, sometimes might just be my fault
3- cup holder is such a pain if i have any sort of drink bigger then a typical soda can.
4- sun roof opens a little, then i have to push it the rest of the way up for the motor to move it back.
5- the seat fabric looks like its all from a passenger bus.
6- anyone who is a little tall that sits in the back seat will head their head on that rear window.

Even though it does have all these little problems i love my Eclipse.

[dg8672]

I've only had mine for a few months, but the only beef I have with it is that the factory alarm has no way of being "turned off."

Its ridiculously sensitive, and I have to leave the car unlocked or the alarm goes off every five minutes.

The closest Mitsu dealer is over 100 miles away, so I can't take it in to see if it needs a new body module. I just wish I could turn OFF the alarm so that it wasnt active if the door is locked (and yes, Ive tried to lock/unlock with just the key, as I was advised once. it didnt help :/)

Other than that, I love it...especially driving with my top down during an evening drive.

[Fallen]

My issue is it seems like there's always something wrong with it.
Always little things. It's probably not the cars fault, any 10 yr old car is going to have issues.

But everytime I look at my eclipse I fall in love with it again.

[yahh]

Originally Posted by j0rg3

that's not true bro... They aren't "pieces of garbage" unless someone pretend to be a racer with a d-series engine. Any stock b18,b20 or h22 swaped in a hatchback will spank us with no problem . I dont even want to talk about the k20/k24 engines,that will be a massacre. I may get flamed for saying this but i have seen this with my own eyes.
don't get me wrong i like the 3g, i have 2 of them but the gs @ 12 psi is not enough to beat my brothers N/A torqueless b20 vtec. The fucker walks away everytime. Also those engines can handle alot of stress even with the stock internals.

At 12 psi you will be making a minimum of 200hp and probably 250 ft/lbs torque on an auto, manual add 20 to both. There is no way to get walked by a non-built n/a motor unless its completely gutted.

[chavezeclipse]

Originally Posted by j0rg3

that's not true bro... They aren't "pieces of garbage" unless someone pretend to be a racer with a d-series engine. Any stock b18,b20 or h22 swaped in a hatchback will spank us with no problem . I dont even want to talk about the k20/k24 engines,that will be a massacre. I may get flamed for saying this but i have seen this with my own eyes.
don't get me wrong i like the 3g, i have 2 of them but the gs @ 12 psi is not enough to beat my brothers N/A torqueless b20 vtec. The fucker walks away everytime. Also those engines can handle alot of stress even with the stock internals.

i raced a b18 hatch and still won at the track. only one who has beaten me was stripped with a fully built engine on slicks. then yes he blew by me. other than that i ran against a d18 turbo civic that was manual and we were a dead heat. all bs aside his civic looked ok (stock body and all just clean). eclipses aren't "fast" but they aren't exactly turds either. the v6 was pretty good in it's class and the 4 banger is pretty easy to piece together a turbo kit