OFFICIAL 6G72 2000 to 2001+ ECU SWAP thread - Page 2 - Club3G Forum : Mitsubishi Eclipse 3G Forums

PharmEcis · 01/17/2007, 05:42 PM

You really need to find out what is going on w/ the car for me to be able to help you more. I need to know the following:

When the key goes in and you try to start the car, is there a green light on the dash w/ a key that comes on? If so, your combination of ECU, Immobilizer + key is incorrect. Does the car turn over but there is a no spark condition and no light? If so, the ECU isn't sending the spark signal because a criteria isn't being met to allow it to issue the spark signal which might be those pins I mentioned above.

Tell me exactly what the symptoms are which you will only be able to find out from the tech and I can help you get it working.

DNS-EN · 01/18/2007, 08:10 AM

When swapping ecu's if your hex in the ecu doesn't match the key or immobilizer you will not get the green key light and it will not start. If the key doesn't match the immobilizer you will get the green key light.

MarkSpyder · 01/18/2007, 08:32 AM

The Mitsu Tech said the syncing went fine but the car wouldn't start. I assume that meant that there was no green key icon but apparently the tech doesn't want to speak directly to me (only relays messages through the service rep - who is getting tired of my questions). They didn't say and don't seem to remember if the engine turned over or not. Thanks for your advice and suggestions guys. I will try this again using a different ECU once I can find one.... I will post up any/all new info as I get it. Keep those tips and suggestions coming! I'm hoping to take the car back to the shop no later than next week but I'll try this w/e. I want tem to cut a new 02 key and try that to just to rule out the 02 ECU being bad.

MarkSpyder · 01/18/2007, 08:59 AM

I have been trying to determine at what point they started using the new flashable ECU ROMs. I did a VIN search (http://www.analogx.com/contents/vinview.htm) and here is the info I got:

Description Position Raw Data Decoded Data
Region: 1 4 North America
Country: 1-2 4A U.S.A.
Manufacturer: 2-3 A3 Mitsubishi
Model Specific: 4-8 AE55H Unknown
Check Digit: 9 1 Valid
Year: 10 1 2001
Assembly Plant: 11 E E
Serial Number: 12-17 004058 4058

Does that mean that my ECU is from October of 2001?? If so I'm guessing that means there are very few flashable 01 ECUs out there... I'm trying to ensure that the next ECU I get (preferrably an 01) is flashable. I have called some salvage yards to get the build date of the cars that their ECUs came out of but they all said they will have to call me back with that info. I'm guessing that if my ECU is REALLY from 10/01 then it should be flashable. Has anyone been able to flash to an ECU from 10/01 or earlier?? If they/you have then my problem may be with the Tactrix cable and not my ECU.....

01/23/2007, 08:51 AM

We need pin out diagrams of the 2000 ECU and the 2002 ECU. This maybe a problem. If it is, it can be corrected by just moving some wires to their correct pin on the 2002 ECU.

MarkSpyder · 01/23/2007, 09:15 AM

I have ordered another 02 GT MT conv ECU this morning and will be trying the swap again by next w/e. If that one doesn't work then we will KNOW a swap from an "old" 01 to an 02 requires additional work other than just a resync.

PharmEcis · 01/23/2007, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. 9023G

We need pin out diagrams of the 2000 ECU and the 2002 ECU. This maybe a problem. If it is, it can be corrected by just moving some wires to their correct pin on the 2002 ECU.

All the diagrams are listed further up in this thread and hosted on my server. The documents are in MDI format so you will need Office 2003 installed to view them.

01/23/2007, 09:31 AM

We need pin outs. I will search today to check for differences. Mark, what's your vin#? I want to check the production date of your car.

Dave

01/23/2007, 09:32 AM

I have Office. I wil look at them. You say you have all years?

Dave

PharmEcis · 01/23/2007, 09:58 AM

http://club3g.com/forum/showpost.php...4&postcount=33

PharmEcis · 01/23/2007, 10:00 AM

I have alldata on my box so I can pull up ANYTHING you want for the most part.

TheFranchise · 01/23/2007, 01:05 PM

what exactly on the car wouldnt start? i'd hate to say that this swap is a dud b/c some tech jacked up the ecu install and forgot to ground it or goofed up the immobilizer flash

01/23/2007, 01:09 PM

Greg I am looking at print outs for the injector pins. I havent gotten past the first line and there are differences in the numbers. Take a look for yourself and see if this can be corrected with a rewire of the harness.

Dave

TheFranchise · 01/23/2007, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. 9023G

Greg I am looking at print outs for the injector pins. I havent gotten past the first line and there are differences in the numbers. Take a look for yourself and see if this can be corrected with a rewire of the harness.

Dave

wtf? please explain

PharmEcis · 01/23/2007, 01:17 PM

He's probably misreading the connectors. The numbers list the connector number and the associated pin. They are obviously different connectors for auto to 5spd.

Shade tree mechanics FTW!

TheFranchise · 01/23/2007, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PharmEcis

He's probably misreading the connectors. The numbers list the connector number and the associated pin. They are obviously different connectors for auto to 5spd.

Shade tree mechanics FTW!

PharmEcis · 01/23/2007, 01:20 PM

What you have to pay attention to is the first number. You'll see something like 1 - 41 or 1 -47. The 41 or 47 is simply the connector harness and they are just numbered differently. If you want, put a C in front of the 41 so you get C41 which is the connector.

If you look at the layout of both ECUs you will see that all the pin numbers and their corresponding locations are identical but Mitsu decided to change the connector number for whatever reason.

*edit* also when you look at the ECU connector diagram you will notice that for whatever reason ALLDATA has the diagrams reversed. The pinouts are still the same though you are just looking at one from the connector side and the other from the harness side.

01/23/2007, 01:45 PM

On the 2000 M/T it uses say 1-41 but on the 2002 M/T it uses 1-47. This is just injector 1. If you compare the 2000 A/T to the 2002 A/T they are identical (1-41). Also their is a neutral/park postion switch on the 2000 that I can not find on the 2002, and a fuel temp sensor on the 2002 I can't find on the 2000. So here is my question, why does the 2000 ecu use 41 and 2002 uses 41 and 47?

01/23/2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFranchise

That is why your ECU swap is working right! I am just trying to trouble shoot Mark problem. We already know all you boosted 3G guys are god.

01/23/2007, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PharmEcis

You really need to find out what is going on w/ the car for me to be able to help you more. I need to know the following:

When the key goes in and you try to start the car, is there a green light on the dash w/ a key that comes on? If so, your combination of ECU, Immobilizer + key is incorrect. Does the car turn over but there is a no spark condition and no light? If so, the ECU isn't sending the spark signal because a criteria isn't being met to allow it to issue the spark signal which might be those pins I mentioned above.

Tell me exactly what the symptoms are which you will only be able to find out from the tech and I can help you get it working.

And this is incorrect. The car will start with out the immoblizer in sync, it will run for a second then shut off.

MarkSpyder · 01/23/2007, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. 9023G

Mark, what's your vin#? I want to check the production date of your car.
Dave

Sorry for the delay... They actually have me working and earning my $ today

VIN#: 4A3AE55H11E004058
(2001/GT/5SPD/convertible/with old-skool non-flashable ECU ROM)

I spoke with Dave on the phone. I think he is on to something with the Pin41/Pin47 stuff. Sounded like the injector + power wires are different on the 01s and 02s. Once some more info is posted about which wires need to be swapped I will do it and try the flash again. I do plan to purchase and try an 02 key this time though, just in case.

01/23/2007, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PharmEcis

He's probably misreading the connectors. The numbers list the connector number and the associated pin. They are obviously different connectors for auto to 5spd.

Shade tree mechanics FTW!

Sorry I should have elaborated more in my post.

TheFranchise · 01/23/2007, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. 9023G

On the 2000 M/T it uses say 1-41 but on the 2002 M/T it uses 1-47. This is just injector 1. If you compare the 2000 A/T to the 2002 A/T they are identical (1-41). Also their is a neutral/park postion switch on the 2000 that I can not find on the 2002, and a fuel temp sensor on the 2002 I can't find on the 2000. So here is my question, why does the 2000 ecu use 41 and 2002 uses 41 and 47?

its a typo; no where does it ever reference what pin 41 is for the 00 ecu with that all data handout.

btw the pic was all in good fun; chill out. and my ecu swap will work fine (whenever i get the time to actually do it)

TheFranchise · 01/23/2007, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC[Spyder]GT

Sorry for the delay... They actually have me working and earning my $ today

VIN#: 4A3AE55H11E004058
(2001/GT/5SPD/convertible/with old-skool non-flashable ECU ROM)

I spoke with Dave on the phone. I think he is on to something with the Pin41/Pin47 stuff. Sounded like the injector + power wires are different on the 01s and 02s. Once some more info is posted about which wires need to be swapped I will do it and try the flash again. I do plan to purchase and try an 02 key this time though, just in case.

pin 41 doesnt exist for M/T cars; not according to ANY of the Factory service manuals I have or the AllData i have seen.

01/23/2007, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFranchise

pin 41 doesnt exist for M/T cars; not according to ANY of the Factory service manuals I have or the AllData i have seen.

That is what greg says he has, so his charts are wrong. Alldata PDF's, I see in the files pin 41 but couldn't find it on the charts. What about the other pins that couldn't be accounted for (neutral/park postion switch and fuel temp sensor )? Would these pins even matter?

TheFranchise · 01/23/2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. 9023G

That is what greg says he has, so his charts are wrong. Alldata PDF's, I see in the files pin 41 but couldn't find it on the charts. What about the other pins that couldn't be accounted for (neutral/park postion switch and fuel temp sensor )? Would these pins even matter?

they only chart that seems to be wrong is the pin41 reference on the 00 M/T. everything else seems right on. fuel temp sensor doesnt show up until 2003+ ecu and models as discussed at the beginning of the thread. i am not aware of any input signal from the neutral/park position switch but havent really looked hard since I have a M/T

PharmEcis · 01/23/2007, 08:37 PM

I think I figured out what they are for. I'm pretty sure they might be a ground. If you look, some of it references a body ground. It would make sense then that the first number is a voltage wire and the second is probably the grounding wire for that setup.

01/24/2007, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PharmEcis

I think I figured out what they are for. I'm pretty sure they might be a ground. If you look, some of it references a body ground. It would make sense then that the first number is a voltage wire and the second is probably the grounding wire for that setup.

So what does that mean in reference to the non start problem?
EDIT- Would those have to moved in order to get the correct wiring set-up.

TheFranchise · 01/25/2007, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PharmEcis

I think I figured out what they are for. I'm pretty sure they might be a ground. If you look, some of it references a body ground. It would make sense then that the first number is a voltage wire and the second is probably the grounding wire for that setup.

dudei'm pretty sure those are the 2 wires you'd probe with a ohmeter to read the approriate resistance value, hence the chart being called the ECU RESISTANCE PINOUT. If pin 41 and pin 47 are both +12V with the IGN ON then this is a non issue for the swap. I dont have ready access to test mine yet maybe you have a 00 to test it?

MarkSpyder · 01/26/2007, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFranchise

If pin 41 and pin 47 are both +12V with the IGN ON then this is a non issue for the swap. I dont have ready access to test mine yet maybe you have a 00 to test it?

I will try and test mine this afternoon (Saturday @ the latest). Should I just check for voltages or do you know the resistance values too? Just tell me what to look for and I will put that DVM to work. I currently have one 01 ECU and two 02 ECUs to "play" with.

TheFranchise · 01/26/2007, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC[Spyder]GT

I will try and test mine this afternoon (Saturday @ the latest). Should I just check for voltages or do you know the resistance values too? Just tell me what to look for and I will put that DVM to work. I currently have one 01 ECU and two 02 ECUs to "play" with.

well you just need to probe your ecu harness pin 41 and pin 47 since that is the source of 12V from the battery.

MarkSpyder · 01/26/2007, 08:42 AM

Probe for just voltage?

01/26/2007, 08:49 AM

Probe for both because that is also a resistance chart.

MarkSpyder · 01/26/2007, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. 9023G

Probe for both because that is also a resistance chart.

I guess I'll do negative probe to ground and positive probe to the harness pins when reading for ohms?
- ecu unplugged?
- car "on" but engine off, correct?

Thanks guys...sorry for the noobish questions. Just want to make sure I get all the proper readings so I can do this once and report back any needed info.

TheFranchise · 01/26/2007, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC[Spyder]GT

I guess I'll do negative probe to ground and positive probe to the harness pins when reading for ohms?
- ecu unplugged?
- car "on" but engine off, correct?

Thanks guys...sorry for the noobish questions. Just want to make sure I get all the proper readings so I can do this once and report back any needed info.

probe 41/47 and body ground

see if both read 12V with IGN on

MarkSpyder · 01/27/2007, 10:18 AM

Ran into a prob. I cant seem to find out which pin is which. Anyone know where to look for this info or know which plugs/positions are Pin 41 & 47? I checked the Engine Electrical chart and the 00E_Electrical PDF but I'm not seeing it. I have the ECU unplugged and the DVM ready. Just ned to know which pins on which plugs to test. Thx. (I previously got that info from my SAFC2 documentation but I have sold that recently)

01/27/2007, 10:23 AM

here are the PDF's
http://www.club3g.com/forum/showpost...4&postcount=33
I think one of the Ecu pinout diagrams is reversed but if you study it, it will make sense.

Dave

MarkSpyder · 01/27/2007, 10:27 AM

These are MDI files, not PDFs. WTF opens an MDI?? I have MS Office but it doesn't look like any of thos progs will open it...

:edit: Here it is. Thank God for SAFC2's Online Install Manuals.

01/27/2007, 10:41 AM

MS word will open them. Sorry i said PDF. I am just use to reading them in that format.

Dave

mitsubshiclip · 01/27/2007, 11:17 AM

probably gonna get shit for asking this but what is wrong with the 2000 gt ecu's

01/27/2007, 11:23 AM

It cannot be flashed.

Dave

mitsubshiclip · 01/27/2007, 11:34 AM

flashed? yea i dont know much

01/27/2007, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC[Spyder]GT

These are MDI files, not PDFs. WTF opens an MDI?? I have MS Office but it doesn't look like any of thos progs will open it...

:edit: Here it is. Thank God for SAFC2's Online Install Manuals.

I have a 2001 ECU here with me. It has a different part# then your ECU. I was at Mitsu w/ my buddy Dave (lol same name). We were going through all the data at their Mitsu web data station. I sent you a PM be sure to answer it.

Dave

MarkSpyder · 01/27/2007, 02:18 PM

My 01 GT ECU has 0V between Pins 41 and 47 and body ground while the ignition is turned to on. I'll check PM now. Damn power went out for a few hours today

01/27/2007, 04:32 PM

Give me all the numbers for the immoblizer new and old.

Dave

MarkSpyder · 01/27/2007, 04:39 PM

Here are all the part #s I have:
01 ECU: MD367858
Processor ID: MH7203FA A02 9M3
01 Immob: MR482501

02 ECU: MR578380
Processor ID: MH8206F A01 AF07491
02 Immob: MN141577

02 ECU: MR578380
Processor ID: MH8206F A01 AF07491

01/27/2007, 04:55 PM

01 Immob: MR482501
MR482501 $149.28 $0.00 $112.71
Electrical - Body electrical - Anti-theft components - Control module
Control module, eclipse, all 2000

02 Immob: MN141577
This one gets tricky under that part number there are two different immoblizers.

MN141577 $114.55 $0.00 $86.49
Electrical - Body electrical - Anti-theft components - Control module
Control module, eclipse, all, to 4/1/04 2002 - 2004

Add to Cart Contact Us
MN141577 $114.55 $0.00 $86.49
Electrical - Body electrical - Anti-theft components - Control module
Control module, eclipse, all, from 4/1/04 2004 - 2005

MarkSpyder · 01/27/2007, 04:59 PM

Dave, any idea if your 01 ECU is flashable?

01/27/2007, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC[Spyder]GT

Dave, any idea if your 01 ECU is flashable?

I have no way to test it. I am looking up the immoblizer for the 01 right now. I am getting it up but need to find the part# to verify.

PharmEcis · 01/27/2007, 05:15 PM

If you send me an ECU I can test it for flashability. I have a complete wiring harness laying around I can use for a bench.

MarkSpyder · 01/29/2007, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. 9023G

http://www.club3g.com/forum/showpost...4&postcount=33

PharmE (or anyone with Office03) - Any chance you could resave those files as "tiff" images? Only those wth Office2003 can view MDI files. I just spent 2+ days downloading a trial of Office2007 just so I could read these images and low and behold you MUST have the 2003 version in order to view them!

http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=MDI
"Extension: MDI
A high resolution, tag-based graphics format. .MDI files are only supported by the Microsoft Office 2003 version (NOT supported in Office 2007 I'm told) of Microsoft Office Document Imaging. If you are going to share files with people who are using Office Document Imaging 2002, or another document imaging program, save your files in TIFF format for compatibility."

01/30/2007, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PharmEcis

If you send me an ECU I can test it for flashability. I have a complete wiring harness laying around I can use for a bench.

Where do I send it Greg?

01/30/2007, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC[Spyder]GT

PharmE (or anyone with Office03) - Any chance you could resave those files as "tiff" images? Only those wth Office2003 can view MDI files. I just spent 2+ days downloading a trial of Office2007 just so I could read these images and low and behold you MUST have the 2003 version in order to view them!

http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=MDI
"Extension: MDI
A high resolution, tag-based graphics format. .MDI files are only supported by the Microsoft Office 2003 version (NOT supported in Office 2007 I'm told) of Microsoft Office Document Imaging. If you are going to share files with people who are using Office Document Imaging 2002, or another document imaging program, save your files in TIFF format for compatibility."

Walk me through it and I will try.

MarkSpyder · 01/30/2007, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. 9023G

Walk me through it and I will try.

Just open the file as you would normally. Then click "File" @ top left, then "Save As". Change the file type (not file name) from ".MDI" to ".tiff" (or anything other than MDI). It should be that simple. That would be the process for most Microsux apps but I don't have that Microsoft Desktop Imaging app on any of my PCs so I can't confirm this. Just holler if any questions. And many thanks for helpin me out. Just spent $400 on Office07 and I already know that won't read it... LOL, wtf MS!!!

01/30/2007, 12:59 PM

I saved them and emailing them your way. It will 2000-2004

MarkSpyder · 01/31/2007, 03:07 PM

To those who are unable to view the pinout files (.MDI) - I found a free app that lets you view them.
MDI Viewer 1.0.1 available here: http://www.download.com/MDI-Viewer/3...ml?tag=tab_scr

I have tested it and it works. No probs reading the files now.

poormansclips · 01/31/2007, 05:33 PM

Hey spyder, have you tried to get it working or anything again. I am watching this closely because I have to do the same thing.

ICEMAN99TURBO · 01/31/2007, 05:49 PM

Looks like fun.. I think I will need to take a class.

01/31/2007, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICEMAN99TURBO

Looks like fun.. I think I will need to take a class.

No you won't just buy the stuff and My mitsu Man says he will get it to work.

Dave

ICEMAN99TURBO · 01/31/2007, 06:06 PM

That is the prob, I would love to do this, but am scared shitless, to try it. I read these threads and I am so fucking lost, I don't know my ass from my elbow.

01/18/2007, 08:10 AM	#62 (permalink)
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01/18/2007, 08:32 AM	#63 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	The Mitsu Tech said the syncing went fine but the car wouldn't start. I assume that meant that there was no green key icon but apparently the tech doesn't want to speak directly to me (only relays messages through the service rep - who is getting tired of my questions). They didn't say and don't seem to remember if the engine turned over or not. Thanks for your advice and suggestions guys. I will try this again using a different ECU once I can find one.... I will post up any/all new info as I get it. Keep those tips and suggestions coming! I'm hoping to take the car back to the shop no later than next week but I'll try this w/e. I want tem to cut a new 02 key and try that to just to rule out the 02 ECU being bad. __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies

01/18/2007, 08:59 AM	#64 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	I have been trying to determine at what point they started using the new flashable ECU ROMs. I did a VIN search (http://www.analogx.com/contents/vinview.htm) and here is the info I got: Description Position Raw Data Decoded Data Region: 1 4 North America Country: 1-2 4A U.S.A. Manufacturer: 2-3 A3 Mitsubishi Model Specific: 4-8 AE55H Unknown Check Digit: 9 1 Valid Year: 10 1 2001 Assembly Plant: 11 E E Serial Number: 12-17 004058 4058 Does that mean that my ECU is from October of 2001?? If so I'm guessing that means there are very few flashable 01 ECUs out there... I'm trying to ensure that the next ECU I get (preferrably an 01) is flashable. I have called some salvage yards to get the build date of the cars that their ECUs came out of but they all said they will have to call me back with that info. I'm guessing that if my ECU is REALLY from 10/01 then it should be flashable. Has anyone been able to flash to an ECU from 10/01 or earlier?? If they/you have then my problem may be with the Tactrix cable and not my ECU..... __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies

01/23/2007, 09:15 AM	#66 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	I have ordered another 02 GT MT conv ECU this morning and will be trying the swap again by next w/e. If that one doesn't work then we will KNOW a swap from an "old" 01 to an 02 requires additional work other than just a resync. __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies

01/23/2007, 01:05 PM	#72 (permalink)
TheFranchise Boosted Donkey Kong Champion! Midi Golf Champion! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Earth Vehicle: 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse Posts: 3,343	what exactly on the car wouldnt start? i'd hate to say that this swap is a dud b/c some tech jacked up the ecu install and forgot to ground it or goofed up the immobilizer flash __________________ TheFranchise 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 2007 Nissan 350Z Grand Touring 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R 3G Boosted Since Jan 2003, Beating on the 3G since 2000.

01/17/2007, 05:42 PM	#61 (permalink)
PharmEcis Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2g stratus 2g eclipse Posts: 5,937	You really need to find out what is going on w/ the car for me to be able to help you more. I need to know the following: When the key goes in and you try to start the car, is there a green light on the dash w/ a key that comes on? If so, your combination of ECU, Immobilizer + key is incorrect. Does the car turn over but there is a no spark condition and no light? If so, the ECU isn't sending the spark signal because a criteria isn't being met to allow it to issue the spark signal which might be those pins I mentioned above. Tell me exactly what the symptoms are which you will only be able to find out from the tech and I can help you get it working.

01/23/2007, 08:51 AM	#65 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	We need pin out diagrams of the 2000 ECU and the 2002 ECU. This maybe a problem. If it is, it can be corrected by just moving some wires to their correct pin on the 2002 ECU.

01/23/2007, 09:31 AM	#68 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	We need pin outs. I will search today to check for differences. Mark, what's your vin#? I want to check the production date of your car. Dave

01/23/2007, 09:32 AM	#69 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	I have Office. I wil look at them. You say you have all years? Dave

01/23/2007, 09:58 AM	#70 (permalink)
PharmEcis Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2g stratus 2g eclipse Posts: 5,937	http://club3g.com/forum/showpost.php...4&postcount=33

01/23/2007, 10:00 AM	#71 (permalink)
PharmEcis Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2g stratus 2g eclipse Posts: 5,937	I have alldata on my box so I can pull up ANYTHING you want for the most part.

01/23/2007, 01:09 PM	#73 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	Greg I am looking at print outs for the injector pins. I havent gotten past the first line and there are differences in the numbers. Take a look for yourself and see if this can be corrected with a rewire of the harness. Dave

01/23/2007, 01:17 PM	#75 (permalink)
PharmEcis Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2g stratus 2g eclipse Posts: 5,937	He's probably misreading the connectors. The numbers list the connector number and the associated pin. They are obviously different connectors for auto to 5spd. Shade tree mechanics FTW!

01/23/2007, 01:20 PM	#77 (permalink)
PharmEcis Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2g stratus 2g eclipse Posts: 5,937	What you have to pay attention to is the first number. You'll see something like 1 - 41 or 1 -47. The 41 or 47 is simply the connector harness and they are just numbered differently. If you want, put a C in front of the 41 so you get C41 which is the connector. If you look at the layout of both ECUs you will see that all the pin numbers and their corresponding locations are identical but Mitsu decided to change the connector number for whatever reason. edit also when you look at the ECU connector diagram you will notice that for whatever reason ALLDATA has the diagrams reversed. The pinouts are still the same though you are just looking at one from the connector side and the other from the harness side. Last edited by PharmEcis; 01/23/2007 at 01:22 PM.

01/23/2007, 01:45 PM	#78 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	On the 2000 M/T it uses say 1-41 but on the 2002 M/T it uses 1-47. This is just injector 1. If you compare the 2000 A/T to the 2002 A/T they are identical (1-41). Also their is a neutral/park postion switch on the 2000 that I can not find on the 2002, and a fuel temp sensor on the 2002 I can't find on the 2000. So here is my question, why does the 2000 ecu use 41 and 2002 uses 41 and 47?

01/23/2007, 08:37 PM	#87 (permalink)
PharmEcis Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2g stratus 2g eclipse Posts: 5,937	I think I figured out what they are for. I'm pretty sure they might be a ground. If you look, some of it references a body ground. It would make sense then that the first number is a voltage wire and the second is probably the grounding wire for that setup. Last edited by PharmEcis; 01/23/2007 at 08:40 PM.

01/26/2007, 08:42 AM	#92 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	Probe for just voltage? __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies

01/26/2007, 08:49 AM	#93 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	Probe for both because that is also a resistance chart.

01/27/2007, 10:18 AM	#96 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	Ran into a prob. I cant seem to find out which pin is which. Anyone know where to look for this info or know which plugs/positions are Pin 41 & 47? I checked the Engine Electrical chart and the 00E_Electrical PDF but I'm not seeing it. I have the ECU unplugged and the DVM ready. Just ned to know which pins on which plugs to test. Thx. (I previously got that info from my SAFC2 documentation but I have sold that recently) __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies

01/27/2007, 10:23 AM	#97 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	here are the PDF's http://www.club3g.com/forum/showpost...4&postcount=33 I think one of the Ecu pinout diagrams is reversed but if you study it, it will make sense. Dave

01/27/2007, 10:27 AM	#98 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	These are MDI files, not PDFs. WTF opens an MDI?? I have MS Office but it doesn't look like any of thos progs will open it... :edit: Here it is. Thank God for SAFC2's Online Install Manuals. __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies Last edited by MarkSpyder; 01/27/2007 at 12:45 PM.

01/27/2007, 10:41 AM	#99 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	MS word will open them. Sorry i said PDF. I am just use to reading them in that format. Dave

01/27/2007, 11:17 AM	#100 (permalink)
mitsubshiclip Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Vehicle: 3G Posts: 381	probably gonna get shit for asking this but what is wrong with the 2000 gt ecu's

01/27/2007, 11:23 AM	#101 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	It cannot be flashed. Dave

01/27/2007, 11:34 AM	#102 (permalink)
mitsubshiclip Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Vehicle: 3G Posts: 381	flashed? yea i dont know much

01/27/2007, 02:18 PM	#104 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	My 01 GT ECU has 0V between Pins 41 and 47 and body ground while the ignition is turned to on. I'll check PM now. Damn power went out for a few hours today __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies

01/27/2007, 04:32 PM	#105 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	Give me all the numbers for the immoblizer new and old. Dave

01/27/2007, 04:39 PM	#106 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	Here are all the part #s I have: 01 ECU: MD367858 Processor ID: MH7203FA A02 9M3 01 Immob: MR482501 02 ECU: MR578380 Processor ID: MH8206F A01 AF07491 02 Immob: MN141577 02 ECU: MR578380 Processor ID: MH8206F A01 AF07491 __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies Last edited by MarkSpyder; 01/27/2007 at 04:54 PM.

01/27/2007, 04:55 PM	#107 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	01 Immob: MR482501 MR482501 $149.28 $0.00 $112.71 Electrical - Body electrical - Anti-theft components - Control module Control module, eclipse, all 2000 02 Immob: MN141577 This one gets tricky under that part number there are two different immoblizers. MN141577 $114.55 $0.00 $86.49 Electrical - Body electrical - Anti-theft components - Control module Control module, eclipse, all, to 4/1/04 2002 - 2004 Add to Cart Contact Us MN141577 $114.55 $0.00 $86.49 Electrical - Body electrical - Anti-theft components - Control module Control module, eclipse, all, from 4/1/04 2004 - 2005

01/27/2007, 04:59 PM	#108 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	Dave, any idea if your 01 ECU is flashable? __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies

01/27/2007, 05:15 PM	#110 (permalink)
PharmEcis Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2g stratus 2g eclipse Posts: 5,937	If you send me an ECU I can test it for flashability. I have a complete wiring harness laying around I can use for a bench.

01/30/2007, 12:59 PM	#115 (permalink)
Dr. 9023G Guest Posts: n/a	I saved them and emailing them your way. It will 2000-2004

01/31/2007, 03:07 PM	#116 (permalink)
MarkSpyder BoomGoesTheDynaMitt Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cary, North Carolina Vehicle: 2001 Spyder GT (silver) Posts: 7,180	To those who are unable to view the pinout files (.MDI) - I found a free app that lets you view them. MDI Viewer 1.0.1 available here: http://www.download.com/MDI-Viewer/3...ml?tag=tab_scr I have tested it and it works. No probs reading the files now. __________________ FI Build: http://www.club3g.com/forum/gt-gts/1...ll-thread.html In Progress: WAIC, Meth Inj, SDS tensioner, ECUFlash Completed Perf Mods: Vortech V-5, 6G74 Mani/TB, Ripp Headers, Invidia CB w/ HP II Res, Fidanza F/W, Spec S3, Quaife LSD, ZT2/WB/EGT/Boost, Flashable ECU, A1000-6 FPR, VR4 Rails, Venom 310cc Injectors, Walbro GSS342 Future: Pistons, SDS Pullies

01/31/2007, 05:33 PM	#117 (permalink)
poormansclips Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Vehicle: 2000 GT Posts: 8	Hey spyder, have you tried to get it working or anything again. I am watching this closely because I have to do the same thing.

01/31/2007, 05:49 PM	#118 (permalink)
ICEMAN99TURBO Your Reality Check Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bad Axe, MI Welcome 2 HICKTOWN Vehicle: Y2K GT-P Posts: 30,275	Looks like fun.. I think I will need to take a class.