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Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Lancaster, Pa
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4g64 intake manifold
i have done a shit load of searching and i can`t find any aftermarket intake manifolds for an 00-05 4g64 eclipse, i was wondering if anyone has done any exparamenting with other manifolds and had any luck of found one for them
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Still Stock
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Vehicle: 2000 Eclispe GS
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Performer Series Intake Manifold 4 Cylinder Duel TB
I cracked my intake manifold, so I have to replace mine too, and the above posts leaded me to:
Racing Performance Works - Performer Series Intake Manifold 4 Cylinder Duel TB But I was curious if I got this kit, would I need to buy anymore stuff to make it work, or does anyone know if the kit is like a complete conversion from a single throttle body to a dual throttle body with 1 purchase. My main concern though, is if this would even be worth it? |
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for, $1,750 hell no, it is not worth it, things not included Does not come with EGR Fittings unless specified, and done at extra cost. Units are supplied on an Exchange basis, and as such a core charge is applicable and charged seperatly. also you will need to find out how to make this work with the M.A.S. |
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i think it`s to big as well that it would be hitting the firewall, unless you pull off the stock intake, mock up the new one and cut that section out and bend a steel plate to the curvature and welding it back in.
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Racing Performance Works - Performer Series Intake Manifold 4 Cylinder
here is another one, but i don't know to trust it or not. and it is way toooooo much |
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Location: Fredericksburg, VA
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Sorry I was wrong, here are the pics I remember seeing and they are of a galant
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...n/PICT0171.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...n/PICT0170.jpg and I guess the guy swapped it for a custom one which is here http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...anifold003.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...anifold002.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...n/PICT0120.jpg http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...n/PICT0118.jpg even on the .org site no one has ever seen the outlander mani on an eclipse and here is the OBX manifold just under 300 bucks, if i wasnt doing the head swap id probably buy this Product Name - OBX Racing Sports but i think it is odd that the 3g eclipse GT mani listed there is the same price, i dunno thats all you
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you need to start staying away from ebay so much man.
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T-Money is T-Money
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assuming an evo 8 intake manifold would bolt to the head without hitting the firewall you could always have the evo flange cut off and weld on an eclipse one since the exhaust manifold holes line up on the front between the evo and the eclipse it should be the same on intake side
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turbo? unf unf!
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for 600$ you can have a completed version of this:
![]() you can have it either work with a 75mm mustang tb, or a stock tb. you can choose which tb you want. do you keep your egr? no. (if you want to, i can custom make a flange for it for an additonal $25) do you keep your evap etc? yes, but youll have to extend or shorten your vacuum hose going to it. also people wondering where the coolant hole is, well that has to be drilled out still. pm me if you want one
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Why don't you run a stock manifold? I'm guessing you're not boosted...
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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manifold
i am running a stock manifold and im not boosted it keeps cracking have bought 3, 2 used and 1 new. Dont want to start a boost project if this is going to keep being an issue.
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Lol he edited it, his original post said one from a galant would fit.
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I bumped it because I was reading through the whole threads posted in that section, trying to find some info. |
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Not really, while our manifolds are a limiting factor as far as hp is concerned, our SOHC heads simply don't have the volumetric efficiency that a DOHC head does. Unless you are running some type of forced induction however, porting the maifold on an na 4g64 would be a waste.
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Not really dude, you aren't maxing out the potential of the single cam head right now. If you really aren't interested in going fi then just stick to intake headers exhaust and do mods to support other areas of the car. Getting the thing to launch will eat more time of your e/t than any type of machine work will.
If you wanted to stay na you could shave some of the head, deck the block, and throw in some high compression pistons. |
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Some of our galants including mine are using the outlander mani. Im using that mani with a diamante 68mm tb. It fits like a glove. Been running it over a year now no problems no cracks better desing. Is just a matter of trying to fix it to the eclipse. I belive you could give it a world.
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This sucks that we have no options for a part that breaks all the time. Mine is currently cold welded and still LEAKS a bit, but the car drives okay. It will probably break again, but by that point I hope to have something custom made in place. Hopefully my buddy who has done custom intake jobs before will come to the rescue. If he does, I'll post some pics/details.
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amen to that. i agree making a custom one would be a lot easier and not that expensive overall.
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I've considered taking an evo or outlander mani and trying to shorten the runners, but you would still have to make sure that there is enough room for big injectors. 3g guys could definitely benefit from a custom manifold, but fab work is so expensive now-a-days.
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Swing the Hammer
Join Date: Jun 2009
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The manifold itself provides more issues then just breaking. Custom fab would be the way to go. Too bad you guys don't have a variable length mani you could take the runners off of.
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Chuck Nasty
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if i had a 4 cylinder i would make one. don't have access to a stock one. maybe next year i will work on it
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Banana suit what?!
Join Date: Sep 2009
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I have a spare mani that I was just going to remount a larger mouth plate on so that there wouldn't be a huge step from the larger v6 TB. I'd be more than happy to cut it up and play with it. If you were going to do something, what would you suggest? If I screw it up it's not a big deal to me.
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Swing the Hammer
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I'm one step ahead of you. Though I'm going to be stock piling these manifolds over the next few yard visits as I find them, so I might find use for it. Specially if I cook something up I want to duplicate.
I'm surprised no ones at least posted a picture of this stupid thing yet. I'd seen vague photos before but never realized its this big a POS. ![]() It hit me today when I looked at it though. That mani specifically is off an 03 galant, and its rusting. That to me says its a steel POS, namely a steel POS. That also means its very easy to modify and cheap to get material for. I'm honestly surprised that no one on here who has fabbed up a custom down pipe hasn't had the guts to try it on one of these. Perhaps I'll be the first. I have a couple questions though that I'm researching, maybe someone here could PM me a few details. My first question. What the hell is that? ![]() The bigger circle port is for the coolant block, I get that. But wtf does the EGR tube go into the head..? Does that somehow lead to the exhaust..? I ran out of time to continue disassembling the motor, pulling this thing took an hour and half because I didn't have my air tools. Sheesh maybe I'll go back tomorrow to keep playing. My big question now is how do these ports match up to the head? If anyone's got an extra intake manifold gasket laying around and wants to mail it to me for the greater good that'd be awesome. Or if anyone's got or can get pictures of that gasket compared to the head. I want to see how far out I can take this flange without putting a shelf on a stock bolt up app. My next question is, has anyone ever tried stripping the black paint off this thing before or know anything about it? My gut says no so I'll probably be putting the mask on for that job. What's my plan? Cut the runners off at the final straight and weld in a tubular plenum, make a custom throttle plate for the 60mm tb and have it powder coated and it'd be set to go. I can set the tables on my bench grinder and use the same diameter wheel as the pipe I would use for the plenum to shape the runners perfectly for welding on. I've got some steel bits on the die grinder too to custom cut the holes. Only real problem now is time. I've gotta do my V6 manifold too so this may take a bit. |
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Banana suit what?!
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I'd be more than happy to play with it but I never had an extra and I wasn't going to pull the one off my car just to mess with it
![]() If no one else finds out what those ports are before the weekend I will try and look for you. It's probably just a POS hole ![]() The only person that I know that may have stripped it is bwracing00 because I know he refinished his. Don't know if he stripped it though. What I had initially planned on doing since I wasn't planning on going super ridiculous with the manifold was to either cut off the TB mount plate and port the opening to 60 or 65mm depending on the TB I was going to go with, cut the short neck down pipe off since it's only the 54mm (I believe) of the 4cyl TB, and then weld that plate back onto the collector so it would at least utilize the larger TB and not have to worry about the air hitting the step down and causing a disturbance in the flow. I like your idea though. So were you planning to do something along the lines of the Magnus intake manifolds for the evos with the velocity stacks within the plenum?
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It's not going to work... trust me
The problem with the thin ass steel is that there is NO support what-so-ever for the throttle body or runners without brackets. The OEM bracket that runs to the throttle body is the ONLY thing keeping the throttle body flange from snapping right off the manifold. Ask me how I know... ![]() Here's a pic of the intake side of a 4g64 cylinder head.
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Swing the Hammer
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Yeah Joel that's pretty much what I'm thinking. I can pick up a 7" diameter piece of pipe to make the plenum with for a whopping 13$. Some plate steel for the end plates is pennies on the dollar because you can search through the dropping bins and find scrap that they basically give you. My original idea is to simply weld the new plenum right on to the runner. However I do harbor the idea of putting velocity stacks on the ends of the runners inside the plenum. Only thing is that would take a lot more custom work, which I could do no problem its just a time thing. I'll probably start with the easier of the two. Specially since I can make the runners match the plenum via my bench grinder.
I know that port is for the EGR. I just don't understand why it goes into the head. |
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Notice the nice port-work on that head
![]() The only way you'd be able to run a bigger tb flange is by having some type of bracing for it to keep stress off the manifold, because if it doesn't crack at the flange, the stress will crack it somewhere else. This is the issue with these shit-ass manifolds. If we could have a nice, heavier gauged aluminum manifold then we would be gold. Couple that with a TB that doesn't leak at the shitty shaft seals and it would be the ideal setup for FI. |
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Swing the Hammer
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You ninja...
The only part of the stock manifold I'll be reusing is the last 2 inches of the runners. The trick will be welding that reliably onto the plenum, but the plenum itself and all things attached to it will be more then strong enough. I wish I knew where to get the flanges for these manifolds, then making one from scratch would be possible if you could find out how to crimp the ends of the pipe to fit the oval ports on the flange. Shit, I should just go find a 4g64 I can pull cheap so I could make a bracket for the whole thing too. |
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