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Old 12/01/2004, 10:20 PM   #241 (permalink)
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It's growing?
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it will weigh ~3600 lbs.

Think for a minute about the platform its sharing. How could it possibly be lighter?
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It's the same platform as the Gaylant. You're trying to tell me that Mitsubishi first cut costs by sharing platforms, but then they're going to use different metals for each? I don't think so.

The 4G will be a heavy pig. Thow in a heavy ass stereo, and a 200 lbs driver, and you've got yourself a 2 ton car! Got SUV anyone?
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Think for a minute about the platform its sharing. How could it possibly be lighter?
obviously Mitsu is cutting cost by sharing a platform between two vehicles yet using completely different materials to manufacture each one
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Think for a minute about the platform its sharing. How could it possibly be lighter?
Platform sharing does not mean they are the exact same! The 4G is shorter then the Galant. The Galant is fwd and the Endeavor is awd but share the same basic platform. The D/C cars share the same platform as the 3G but two are coupes and one a hatch back. Platform sharing uses as many of the same parts that is reasonable. Batteries, shocks, airbags,springs,engines,nuts and bolts and so on. You don't have to believe me, the NAAS will be here soon enough. I'm just passing on what I know.
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Thank you, but I am gonna bet we are a bit more correct than you are.
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Platform sharing does not mean they are the exact same! The 4G is shorter then the Galant. The Galant is fwd and the Endeavor is awd but share the same basic platform. The D/C cars share the same platform as the 3G but two are coupes and one a hatch back. Platform sharing uses as many of the same parts that is reasonable. Batteries, shocks, airbags,springs,engines,nuts and bolts and so on. You don't have to believe me, the NAAS will be here soon enough. I'm just passing on what I know.
Not to mention the chassis will be the same with only modifications for lengthening or shortening the wheelbase depending on application. And that's the point we're trying to make here when we say that the 4G will be rather heavy.
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Wait, isn't this the same kid that was deriding the Corvette Z06 on .org as using "outdated" pushrod technology? And then further downplaying its performance by saying it uses truck-like leaf springs when in reality the car has 4-wheel independent suspension with one transverse leaf spring? All this despite running 12-second 1320s stock and pulling 1G on the skidpad?
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Platform sharing does not mean they are the exact same! The 4G is shorter then the Galant. The Galant is fwd and the Endeavor is awd but share the same basic platform. The D/C cars share the same platform as the 3G but two are coupes and one a hatch back. Platform sharing uses as many of the same parts that is reasonable. Batteries, shocks, airbags,springs,engines,nuts and bolts and so on. You don't have to believe me, the NAAS will be here soon enough. I'm just passing on what I know.
Dude, I've seen the 4G, I've sat in it, kicked the tires, peered underneath it, etc. I've talked to the designers, discussed the 4G and 5G with them. You are wrong--the car is going to be heavy.
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Wait, isn't this the same kid that was deriding the Corvette Z06 on .org as using "outdated" pushrod technology? And then further downplaying its performance by saying it uses truck-like leaf springs when in reality the car has 4-wheel independent suspension with one transverse leaf spring? All this despite running 12-second 1320s stock and pulling 1G on the skidpad?
Kid? I've worked at Mitsubishi for 15.5yrs. No I didn't post that on .org! My name was Whitty.
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I talked to one of the upper eng. at work today when we ran a 4G. He said the 4G LOST weight! He said, a V-6, 6-sp weights 3150? Under 3200. He said the 4G conv. gained a lot of weight. He said they shaved off some weight and used thinner metal(710) on it! The engine should have 260HP like the ones pictured in the ralliart Galant on Edmunds. It has red valve covers.
It seems that this is all very wishful thinking, but man I hope you're right. 60 hp increase and a loss of weight, cool, but doubtful.
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I didn't get a chance to talk to the same Manager today he was busy some where else. But he should be by our line Friday and I will grill him on some info.
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I talked to the manager today and he said he'd get a spec sheet to look at. He still says that the car weighs less than a 3G, GTS v-6, 5sp (3245 Edmunds?) He said that the engine, 6sp,and rear susp. all lost weight. They used .7 thick sheetmetal on it rather than the 3G which is .9! (Other companies do this to and we leave out crash bars on europeon cars to) The Galant only uses some .7. They shaved off about 200 pounds! He said it will have 235 HP because it is tuned for TQ! It's like the Galant VVT engine but, intake, ex. and chipped different! They designed it with 300HP tuned engine and duals but they don't know how reliable it is. A 260HP tuned engine is in the ralliart proto. Galant and Endeavor. But someday that engine will be in our cars. So when I see the spec sheet I will let you know.
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I talked to the manager today and he said he'd get a spec sheet to look at. He still says that the car weighs less than a 3G, GTS v-6, 5sp (3245 Edmunds?) He said that the engine, 6sp,and rear susp. all lost weight. They used .7 thick sheetmetal on it rather than the 3G which is .9! (Other companies do this to and we leave out crash bars on europeon cars to) The Galant only uses some .7. They shaved off about 200 pounds! He said it will have 235 HP because it is tuned for TQ! It's like the Galant VVT engine but, intake, ex. and chipped different! They desighed it with 300HP tuned engine and duals but they don't know how reliable it is. A 260HP tuned engine is in the ralliart proto. Galant and Endeavor. But someday that engine will be in our cars. So when I see the spec sheet I will let you know.
How is the engine only making 235HP? Lame... Hell, a VQ35DE can make 250 HP easily, and it is scrapping the 300HP barrier right now. A 3.8L making only 235HP? That's just like the Galant.
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It's tuned for TQ not HP!(It's the first of the line of engines, they will get stronger in the future) It's TQ and HP also peak at about 1000rpm lower than a 3.5. They could boost HP to like 260 but like most engines it's in higher rpm's that no one uses! Plus the more HP you squeeze out of a smaller engine the more problems you have!
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Talk to the dealership here in IN and they told me that the realeasing date for the 4G has been changed, new release date---> Feb 2006 is this just BS?
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I'm going to have to say "baloney" to all that, BMW. I don't know, maybe what you're hearing is valid--I don't know you so I can't say for sure.

All I can say is that everything you just said contradicts just about everything I've personally heard from the guys at MRDA.
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Talk to the dealership here in IN and they told me that the realeasing date for the 4G has been changed, new release date---> Feb 2006 is this just BS?
The release date is July 2005. Mitsu. asked the gov. if they could sell it early but they refused.
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well this should be an interesting spring/summer for 3g sales. i bet they'll offer some good deals to make room for the 4g's on the lots
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well this should be an interesting spring/summer for 3g sales. i bet they'll offer some good deals to make room for the 4g's on the lots
We quit building 3G's by x-mas. We have enough in the lot and car dealers to last till July or longer!
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so how long until they become classic cars?
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Never. We will eventually melt these cars for materials to build EVO XXVIII or whatever the EVO generation is 50 years from now.
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at first it doesnt seem logical the car could loose weight but it they significantly change the body panels and suspension, it could be done.

maybe they'll figure out how to make rims that weigh less than 26lbs and not dent from running over a twig.

so far the car looks great from sketches IMO. its totally different than anything else on the market. i am eager to see a SC and after market ecu plugged into a 3.8L for sure
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anyone else get an email from mitsu talking about the new eclipse and the new raider truck?
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Old 01/06/2005, 01:25 PM   #277 (permalink)
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I just did. Came here to see if anyone had more info.

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/06Eclipse/
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January 10th, huh? We'll see...
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Heads up: Jan 10, 2005 - webcast of '06 Eclipse and Raider at Detriot Auto Show
Hi folks. just wanted to give you guys a heads up on the upcoming 06 edition of the Eclipse and a pickup truck called the Raider. just got this in my e-mail a couple minutes ago:


After years of leading-edge design and performance testing, the vehicles you've been waiting for are about to arrive. The all-new 2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse and Raider will be revealed at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit on January 10, 2005.

The auto industry is buzzing with anticipation for the all-new Eclipse and Raider. Now you can see the crowd's reaction to these fantastic new vehicles alongside industry professionals and journalists, even if you can't be there in person. Just visit www.mitsubishicars.com/06Eclipse or www.mitsubishicars.com/06Raider on January 10, 2005, to see the action unfold via our exclusive video webcast.

Stay tuned for another email announcing the launch of the 2006 Raider and the all-new 2006 Eclipse on January 10, 2005.

All-new 2006 Eclipse website

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oops.. didn't see the sticky b4 I posted. sorry....

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omg i said "ewwweehhhh" outloud and shuddered at those last pics
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no no its an open ended porsche cayene with downs that got beaten with the fugly pole and then oprah sat on the hood
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That truck is sweet. I saw a mitsubishi truck at the auto show. I think it was that one but it was very very nice. It had some awesome ideas put into it.
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IMO all trucks look the same, its the engines, drivetrain, and suspension that interest me
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I want final engine specs! I want tech sheets! I wanna see compatibility with other 6G7x-powered chassis As much as I'd love to gab on about how I'd love to have this car for this reason or that... it's really the powertrain I'm interested in, and of course looks come secondary.



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Mitsubishi's official 4G site: here

If this thing looks good and weighs less than 3400 pounds, my 3G is going to "accidently" drive itself into a lake.
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way too many people were disappointed with this 4g, but in my opinion its pretty straight
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