RMDSM bars for 4G

[GT Sunset TC]

Doesn't look like we'll get them anytime soon. I contacted RER and they said that RMDSM will start fabrication when they get 25 guaranteed buys. I don't think there is even 25 people on this site with 4G yet..

Hopefully someone will fab a front bar soon.

[JUMA]

Isn't ST rear sway bar out yet?

[AngryAzn]

Originally Posted by GT Sunset TC

Doesn't look like we'll get them anytime soon. I contacted RER and they said that RMDSM will start fabrication when they get 25 guaranteed buys. I don't think there is even 25 people on this site with 4G yet..

Hopefully someone will fab a front bar soon.

I'ved used both the ST (rear) sway bar and the RMDSM (Front + Rear) sway bars on the 3G, those RMDSM sways kix a ton of ass at autocross and my opinion better then just the ST Rear. If you guys can get them I highly recommend it.

[JUMA]

Originally Posted by cpltk2

I'ved used both the ST (rear) sway bar and the RMDSM (Front + Rear) sway bars on the 3G, those RMDSM sways kix a ton of ass at autocross and my opinion better then just the ST Rear. If you guys can get them I highly recommend it.

The front bar was probably a placebo effect.

[GT Sunset TC]

The front bar was probably a placebo effect.

The rear bar does have a much more dramatic effect on handling, but the front does help slightly.

[JUMA]

Originally Posted by GT Sunset TC

but the front does help slightly.

How does it help on a FWD car? Maybe by lifting the front tires off the ground in hard turns?

[AngryAzn]

Originally Posted by JUMA

The front bar was probably a placebo effect.

that's what Mueller over at RRE stated way back when. I'm not claiming to know more then Mueller about suspension and never will. But tool and I played around with a buncha suspension settings for autocross.

Combo's he and I tried out were:
1.) Koni inserts + GC + st sway: Koni's are too soft
2.) KYB AGX + GC: Too much compromise
3.) HR Springs + AGX + ST Sway
4.) HR Springs + AGX + RMDSM
5.) Stock suspension + ST Sway
6.) Stock suspension + RMDSM

*Both cars used 17 x 7.5 Rota Subzero with about same tread wear of falken azenis sports.

KYB + GC are nice but was way too much of a ride quality compromise for me. Therefore I went with HR springs + agx.

During memorial day weekend we have 2 days of autocross I did 6 runs on Sat with ST Sway and scored like a 42/43 seconds, and on 2nd day I had the RMDSM in and scored 41//42.

It could be my particular driving style where I benefit more from the stiffer front sway bar, or maybe it was because I was using my paticular drop springs.

Either way, I fucked around with low budget suspension ideas quite a bit with the 3G and thats what worked for me.

Take it for what you will.

[AngryAzn]

Originally Posted by JUMA

How does it help on a FWD car? Maybe by lifting the front tires off the ground in hard turns?

swaybar acts like a spring

Once a wheel lifts off the ground, you loose all benefits of the swaybar. In order for the swaybars to have effect both wheels have to be on the ground.

[JUMA]

Originally Posted by cpltk2

During memorial day weekend we have 2 days of autocross I did 6 runs on Sat with ST Sway and scored like a 42/43 seconds, and on 2nd day I had the RMDSM in and scored 41//42.

That's not enough data to back up your test. There is also a "learning effect", - you did better the second time around due to practice.

I bet you would show even better results with just agx+HR springs, ST rear sway bar and RRE rera shock brace. All you really need is to stiffen the rear in a first place.

Originally Posted by cpltk2

Once a wheel lifts off the ground, you loose all benefits of the swaybar. In order for the swaybars to have effect both wheels have to be on the ground.

Umm, I know that, hence I made a sarcastic remark.

[AngryAzn]

Originally Posted by JUMA

That's not enough data to back up your test. There is also a "learning effect", - you did better the second time around due to practice.

I bet you would show even better results with just agx+HR springs, ST rear sway bar and RRE rera shock brace. All you really need is to stiffen the rear in a first place.

Umm, I know that, hence I made a sarcastic remark.

shrug I said take the data for what you will, that course wasn't all that hard to figure out.

Oh yeah I had the st rear tower bar, and I don't think it does all that much to begin with.

Also I wasn't doing some kind of a comprehensive test or anything, I was just playing around with different suspension settings to see what I liked better.

[eslai]

Don't forget that cone killing is different than street driving is different than road racing. The RMDSM bars will make the average guy go OMGSOMUCHBETTER just because to him, flatter cornering while driving at slightly agressive speeds = good performance.

Translation: they work well for pussy-footed wannabes.

[AngryAzn]

Originally Posted by eslai

Don't forget that cone killing is different than street driving is different than road racing. The RMDSM bars will make the average guy go OMGSOMUCHBETTER just because to him, flatter cornering while driving at slightly agressive speeds = good performance.

Translation: they work well for pussy-footed wannabes.

JR gave me your address....when I move to SoCal, I'm going to find your boxter and pee inside the gas-tank cock-nozzle style.

RMDSM is a good product, minus the flatter cornering from the front, its better for autocross with the slushy springs thats currently available for the 3G.

[GT Sunset TC]

Translation: they work well for pussy-footed wannabes.

I'm sorry.. but for someone who's been around here 100,000,000x more than I, .. I would of thought that you would leave that kind of remark for more appropriate racing forums of profressional drivers.. which this is not. Most of us "pussy-footed" (speaking generally) wannabe drivers enjoy a decent product at a moderate price that allows us to enjoy/perform better in/with our cars on an empty road without sand traps, roll cages and safety walls.

Sorry.. a little on edge considering I've nearly died several times riding shotgun with someone who thought they were on a closed course. Several rolls down a hill end over end bouncing off trees gives you a better perspective on the "modding" life.

I understand your point.. but could have been better stated.

[eslai]

Dude, so uncool of you to fly off the handle about that. You're acting like a classic noob. You've hardly been on here for a month; stick around and learn our personalities before judging us, especially when we're clearly joking around, not to mention saying the same damned thing that you just did in your OMGIMSOOFFENDED way.

And you even left off the winky smiley when you quoted me. Way to take things out of context.

[eslai]

Originally Posted by cpltk2

JR gave me your address....when I move to SoCal, I'm going to find your boxter and pee inside the gas-tank cock-nozzle style.

HAW HAW LOCKING GAS DOOR!!!!

Originally Posted by cpltk2

RMDSM is a good product, minus the flatter cornering from the front, its better for autocross with the slushy springs thats currently available for the 3G.

Yeah, exactly. But these guys (3G) do have products like the JICs that will make their cars handle amazingly well on real streets and tracks, and for which the RMDSM bars would be a detriment. Cone killers have quite different requirements--you guys do a lot more trail braking and other such stuff to control your back end and shit like that just makes you slow on the track and dangerous on the street.

I don't know what Mueller did for the Ralliart 4G's suspension, but I'm told it handled pretty well on the track.

[AngryAzn]

Originally Posted by eslai

HAW HAW LOCKING GAS DOOR!!!!



Yeah, exactly. But these guys (3G) do have products like the JICs that will make their cars handle amazingly well on real streets and tracks, and for which the RMDSM bars would be a detriment. Cone killers have quite different requirements--you guys do a lot more trail braking and other such stuff to control your back end and shit like that just makes you slow on the track and dangerous on the street.

I don't know what Mueller did for the Ralliart 4G's suspension, but I'm told it handled pretty well on the track.

I never could justify the cost of getting JIC's + getting them professional tuned, hence my ghetto budget suspension combos. Plus I never had to luxery of driving up to RRE like some of you guys on the left coast and toss Mueller a Big-Mac with extra fries and ask him kindly to "Hookz up my mad tyte ride yo"

Also track driving vs. autocross driving is very different, the few times I tried track it was a totally different beast so can't argue there. Did I mention I was pretty bad at it?
Plus there were no other 3G's owners with experiance to hang out with and DSM and Evo guys hung out with their own, so I was pretty much had to self teach with the instructor.

Far as autocross is concerned, the RMDSM worked well to stablize the front to gain control faster after ripping a cone to setup for the next set. I think for the on the budget 4G owner that wants a decent suspension setup without the heavy cost of JIC + tune, it might well be worth getting a set of drop springs and RMDSM sways for that front heavy car.

[Slippercream]

Don't mind Eric, TC. Most of us "average guys", I've found, get along better in ignorant bliss of the ubergearhead tech talk. That's why I never talk about my own in here

[kabob]

All, please stay on topic

[eslai]

Originally Posted by Slippercream

Don't mind Eric, TC. Most of us "average guys", I've found, get along better in ignorant bliss of the ubergearhead tech talk. That's why I never talk about my own in here

Hmm... i don't think I see any point in this thread where anyone recommended or discussed anything all that hardcore...?

[Doric]

Originally Posted by kabob

All, please stay on topic

...Like you do in Other Cars?

[kabob]

Originally Posted by Doric

...Like you do in Other Cars?

Oh, come off it. You know as well as I that Other Cars is a light discussion forum that can and will go a little OT here and there. But this forum is one of the main discussion forums and has less leeway

[Doric]

It's become that way because of people like you and I who've made it OT Lite.

[Slippercream]

Come to the TX forums, Doric! It's no wonder that we love Kaboobie over there