ATTN: Megan Racing Will be correcting Coilover problems for FREE!

VTEC KILLER · 05/14/2008, 08:50 PM

Hey guys please see the email below between myself and Cyrus (head of tech support/R&D) at Megan Racing. I spoke with him on the phone shortly after this email to get some info as to how they were going to correct the problem, either by re-designing the entire lower strut mount or by offering an adjustable end link kit. I was informed that they will be re-designing the lower strut mount and the ETA on the new one is unfortunately 2-3 months time. While this is a long time, understand that R&D has to take place to make this correctly and I have to appreciate and respect that Cyrus and Megan Racing are being very professional about this and they are correcting a flaw in their design rather than trying to make another part to compensate for their original design flaw. I told Cyrus that I would be the contact person for both Club3g and TGC for any updates on when the new part becomes available. He said that anyone having a problem with the end links breaking will be sent the new lower mounts free of charge and there is NO need to return the old one as a "core". So with that being said, I will keep you guys posted as soon as I hear anything about this. I am not going to hound this guy by calling him twice a week for two months, I myself will be patient and wait at least 6 weeks and then contact him for an update unless he contacts me sooner. Please dont PM me asking about when and how you will get yours, I will keep this thread updated as soon as I get more info. Mods, can someone make this a stick so we dont lose track of it.

Here is the last reply from Cyrus, as you can imagine its all in reverse order with my first message being at the end....

I have talk to my factory and we will be coming out with a solution as far as the roblem goes. Please check in with me in the near future for updates on this revision.

Thank yoU!

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Attn: Alex RE: 2001 Eclipse Suspension Problem
From: bdemasi84@aol.com
Date: Tue, May 13, 2008 12:05 pm
To: cyrus@meganracing.com

Cyrus thank you for your attention to this matter. If you would please look at the links below. I researched the problem on Club3g.com prior to sending that message to you. The bottom line is, yes you can get the link to attach, but its on such a radical angle that the lower part of the link and swaybar hit the control arm and cause the link to break. The factory end link is plastic and metal, the plastic part is the part that obviously breaks because of the increased side loading put on the link because the tab on the strut is not correct. With that being said as a way to side step the problem the guys on club3g have switched to aftermarket Moog or AC Delco full metal swaybar links, while these links do not break because they are much stronger than the OEM links, it doesnt correct the problem. The metal link still hits the lower arm, causing the link to bend slightly from repeated impact with the lower arm, while this may be a great budget solution, in the end, this problem is caused by the improper design of the coilover. Other members that run the JIC FLT-A2 coilovers or the Tein Type SS-P coilovers dont have this problem and the JIC's are almost identical in design to the Megan coilovers. The only way to properly correct the problem with the Megan coilovers aside from re-manufacturing it with the right spec, is to offer an adjustable sway bar link kit with them to compensate for the difference. The only company I know that makes one for the 3g application is at www.powergridinc.com they list it for a 96-2006 Galant , but if you cross reference OEM part#'s its the same as the 3g eclipse, they are interchangeable. What is megan going to do to stand behind their product that I purchased in good faith that it would fit correctly?

Threads on club 3g about the problems....

Megan Racing Coilover endlink alignment

this is the install instruction on club3g, notice in the photos that the coilovers are installed with custom adjustable end links...because the stock ones wont fit

HOW TO: INSTALL MEGAN RACING COILOVER SUSPENSION

-----Original Message-----
From: cyrus@meganracing.com
To: BDeMasi84@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008 1:47 pm
Subject: RE: [FWD: Attn: Alex RE: 2001 Eclipse Suspension Problem]

We do not think it has been a problem as we have sold hundreds of 01 Eclipse CDK. We understand that the angle is not exactly located in the same position as we need to modify a little bit to make the coilover work with a feature of riding height adjustment, but it is for sure they always fit. There is no problem with the installation.

If you could check out www.club3g.com you will be able to find the install of the meganracing coilovers.

THANK YOU!!

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [FWD: Attn: Alex RE: 2001 Eclipse Suspension Problem]
From: alex@meganracing.com
Date: Mon, May 12, 2008 5:05 pm
To: cyrus@meganracing.com

__________________________________________________ _________
Alex Chavez
MEGAN RACING INC.

788 PHILIPS DR.
CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA 91748

Office Hours
Monday - Friday 9:30am-6:30pm

General Phone : +1 (626)581-0988
General Fax : +1 (626)581-8334
Wholesale Fax : +1 (626)581-4332

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Attn: Alex RE: 2001 Eclipse Suspension Problem
From: BDeMasi84@aol.com
Date: Mon, May 12, 2008 4:00 pm
To: Alex@meganracing.com

Hey Alex this is Brian. I spoke to you on the phone before regarding my problem. Here are the pics you requested. Since the mounting point for the stabilizer link is lower than stock and at a different angle, it doesnt allow the suspension to travel properly, once installed it causes the swaybar to contact the lower control arm, where as with a stock strut installed there is approximately 5/8" between the lower arm and the swaybar.

http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension012.jpg

http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/?act ion=view&current=suspension006.jpg

Measurement on Megan strut

http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension010.jpg

Measurement on OEM stock strut

http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension003.jpg

Top view of megan strut, notice the angle at which the tab is welded..about 90 degrees

http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension004.jpg

Top view of OEM stock strut, stock angle is roughly 45 degrees

http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension011.jpg

TheFranchise · 05/14/2008, 08:54 PM

great news. i made some makeshift brackets that sorta work but arent perfect.

do we need to call to get on a list or what?

Bitter · 05/14/2008, 08:57 PM

wouldnt it have been faster and easier for them to make adjustable links? some threaded rod and set it up like a tie rod/sleeve on a truck front end, but in smaller scale.

VTEC KILLER · 05/14/2008, 10:33 PM

No there is no formal list to get on, im sure there will be once they have the new design in production and almost ready to ship.

Bitter I agree with you 110%, I actually got custom end links for now to correct the problem until they make the new design. But from what the guy at megan was telling me, its cheaper OVERALL for them to re-design the bottom mount . Think about it like this, if they dont revise the design, that means every new set they sell will have to include adjustable links to correct the problem, so they are paying to make the coilover and paying to make the end link but if they re-design it, they are only paying to make the coilover and no need to mess with the end link. Also a high performance endlink will either be made of stainless steel or high grade aluminum both of which the raw materials cost more and the equipment and tooling to machine/weld it, where as the bottom mount on the strut is plain mild steel. They are looking at the long term not just correcting the issue for people who already have the coilovers.

fasteclipse00 · 05/14/2008, 11:10 PM

Nice work. If for some reason they need stock struts, they can have my blown front ones.

Brian75 · 05/15/2008, 01:25 PM

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2k2ocgt · 05/15/2008, 06:38 PM

This is awesome news, man. Cyrus is cool. I talked with him a few times when they were testing the headers for my car.

If they need someone for test fitting, I'll volunteer for it. I live pretty close to Megan Racing.

04GT · 05/16/2008, 12:24 PM

Well, this is great news. The stock right endlink broke last week and I have just left the car sitting in the driveway while researching new, stronger (adjustable) endlinks.

I like the Megans, but it would be great if the fit was perfect.

Thank you very much for the information.

klipzed · 06/03/2008, 11:14 PM

well now i know why i have broken 3 stock links in a few months... nice work...

TheFranchise · 08/06/2008, 08:28 PM

bump.

any update from Megan?

davidcsurf · 09/04/2008, 07:43 PM

hey guys i'm interested about megans but i want to know if it has been any update with this since i want to decide what setup i want to get

davidcsurf · 09/07/2008, 08:51 PM

bump on this thread someone knows what happen at the end.

davidcsurf · 09/19/2008, 03:58 PM

bump any updates for this?

05/14/2008, 08:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
VTEC KILLER EVO Powered Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 237	ATTN: Megan Racing Will be correcting Coilover problems for FREE! Hey guys please see the email below between myself and Cyrus (head of tech support/R&D) at Megan Racing. I spoke with him on the phone shortly after this email to get some info as to how they were going to correct the problem, either by re-designing the entire lower strut mount or by offering an adjustable end link kit. I was informed that they will be re-designing the lower strut mount and the ETA on the new one is unfortunately 2-3 months time. While this is a long time, understand that R&D has to take place to make this correctly and I have to appreciate and respect that Cyrus and Megan Racing are being very professional about this and they are correcting a flaw in their design rather than trying to make another part to compensate for their original design flaw. I told Cyrus that I would be the contact person for both Club3g and TGC for any updates on when the new part becomes available. He said that anyone having a problem with the end links breaking will be sent the new lower mounts free of charge and there is NO need to return the old one as a "core". So with that being said, I will keep you guys posted as soon as I hear anything about this. I am not going to hound this guy by calling him twice a week for two months, I myself will be patient and wait at least 6 weeks and then contact him for an update unless he contacts me sooner. Please dont PM me asking about when and how you will get yours, I will keep this thread updated as soon as I get more info. Mods, can someone make this a stick so we dont lose track of it. Here is the last reply from Cyrus, as you can imagine its all in reverse order with my first message being at the end.... I have talk to my factory and we will be coming out with a solution as far as the roblem goes. Please check in with me in the near future for updates on this revision. Thank yoU! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Attn: Alex RE: 2001 Eclipse Suspension Problem From: bdemasi84@aol.com Date: Tue, May 13, 2008 12:05 pm To: cyrus@meganracing.com Cyrus thank you for your attention to this matter. If you would please look at the links below. I researched the problem on Club3g.com prior to sending that message to you. The bottom line is, yes you can get the link to attach, but its on such a radical angle that the lower part of the link and swaybar hit the control arm and cause the link to break. The factory end link is plastic and metal, the plastic part is the part that obviously breaks because of the increased side loading put on the link because the tab on the strut is not correct. With that being said as a way to side step the problem the guys on club3g have switched to aftermarket Moog or AC Delco full metal swaybar links, while these links do not break because they are much stronger than the OEM links, it doesnt correct the problem. The metal link still hits the lower arm, causing the link to bend slightly from repeated impact with the lower arm, while this may be a great budget solution, in the end, this problem is caused by the improper design of the coilover. Other members that run the JIC FLT-A2 coilovers or the Tein Type SS-P coilovers dont have this problem and the JIC's are almost identical in design to the Megan coilovers. The only way to properly correct the problem with the Megan coilovers aside from re-manufacturing it with the right spec, is to offer an adjustable sway bar link kit with them to compensate for the difference. The only company I know that makes one for the 3g application is at www.powergridinc.com they list it for a 96-2006 Galant , but if you cross reference OEM part#'s its the same as the 3g eclipse, they are interchangeable. What is megan going to do to stand behind their product that I purchased in good faith that it would fit correctly? Threads on club 3g about the problems.... Megan Racing Coilover endlink alignment this is the install instruction on club3g, notice in the photos that the coilovers are installed with custom adjustable end links...because the stock ones wont fit HOW TO: INSTALL MEGAN RACING COILOVER SUSPENSION -----Original Message----- From: cyrus@meganracing.com To: BDeMasi84@aol.com Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008 1:47 pm Subject: RE: [FWD: Attn: Alex RE: 2001 Eclipse Suspension Problem] We do not think it has been a problem as we have sold hundreds of 01 Eclipse CDK. We understand that the angle is not exactly located in the same position as we need to modify a little bit to make the coilover work with a feature of riding height adjustment, but it is for sure they always fit. There is no problem with the installation. If you could check out www.club3g.com you will be able to find the install of the meganracing coilovers. THANK YOU!! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [FWD: Attn: Alex RE: 2001 Eclipse Suspension Problem] From: alex@meganracing.com Date: Mon, May 12, 2008 5:05 pm To: cyrus@meganracing.com __________________________________________________ _________ Alex Chavez MEGAN RACING INC. 788 PHILIPS DR. CITY OF INDUSTRY, CA 91748 Office Hours Monday - Friday 9:30am-6:30pm General Phone : +1 (626)581-0988 General Fax : +1 (626)581-8334 Wholesale Fax : +1 (626)581-4332 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Attn: Alex RE: 2001 Eclipse Suspension Problem From: BDeMasi84@aol.com Date: Mon, May 12, 2008 4:00 pm To: Alex@meganracing.com Hey Alex this is Brian. I spoke to you on the phone before regarding my problem. Here are the pics you requested. Since the mounting point for the stabilizer link is lower than stock and at a different angle, it doesnt allow the suspension to travel properly, once installed it causes the swaybar to contact the lower control arm, where as with a stock strut installed there is approximately 5/8" between the lower arm and the swaybar. http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension012.jpg http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/EvoInside/?act ion=view&current=suspension006.jpg Measurement on Megan strut http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension010.jpg Measurement on OEM stock strut http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension003.jpg Top view of megan strut, notice the angle at which the tab is welded..about 90 degrees http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension004.jpg Top view of OEM stock strut, stock angle is roughly 45 degrees http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y83...pension011.jpg __________________ 99' Galant ES Built 4G64 Built EVO Head AEM EMS 312 miles on the new motor, so far so good.

05/14/2008, 08:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
TheFranchise Boosted Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Earth Vehicle: 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse Posts: 2,542	great news. i made some makeshift brackets that sorta work but arent perfect. do we need to call to get on a list or what? __________________ TheFranchise 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 2007 Nissan 350Z Grand Touring 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R 3G Boosted Since Jan 2003, Beating on the 3G since 2000. ALL NEW 2007 CLUB3G SCREENSAVER

05/14/2008, 08:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bitter Zoom FTW Join Date: May 2004 Location: Homewood, Il Vehicle: 2007 Camaro Posts: 28,504	wouldnt it have been faster and easier for them to make adjustable links? some threaded rod and set it up like a tie rod/sleeve on a truck front end, but in smaller scale. __________________ bosorio187: dude bosorio187: the streets are my race track bosorio187: i am tardo 1993 Geo Prizm 7A-FE/A245E with 130K miles. K&N drop in, deleted intake snorkel, +15 degrees base timing, Ebay Header, no rear muffler=zoom zoom peppy :) - still need to do the tbelt +10k miles overdue.

05/14/2008, 10:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
VTEC KILLER EVO Powered Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 237	No there is no formal list to get on, im sure there will be once they have the new design in production and almost ready to ship. Bitter I agree with you 110%, I actually got custom end links for now to correct the problem until they make the new design. But from what the guy at megan was telling me, its cheaper OVERALL for them to re-design the bottom mount . Think about it like this, if they dont revise the design, that means every new set they sell will have to include adjustable links to correct the problem, so they are paying to make the coilover and paying to make the end link but if they re-design it, they are only paying to make the coilover and no need to mess with the end link. Also a high performance endlink will either be made of stainless steel or high grade aluminum both of which the raw materials cost more and the equipment and tooling to machine/weld it, where as the bottom mount on the strut is plain mild steel. They are looking at the long term not just correcting the issue for people who already have the coilovers. __________________ 99' Galant ES Built 4G64 Built EVO Head AEM EMS 312 miles on the new motor, so far so good.

05/15/2008, 01:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
Brian75 Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 39	Nice deleted Last edited by Brian75; 05/15/2008 at 01:26 PM. Reason: Does not pertain directly to thread

05/14/2008, 11:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
fasteclipse00 Still slow Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Illinois Vehicle: 2000 Northstar White GT Posts: 2,930	Nice work. If for some reason they need stock struts, they can have my blown front ones.

05/15/2008, 06:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
2k2ocgt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Vehicle: 2002 Eclipse GT Posts: 152	This is awesome news, man. Cyrus is cool. I talked with him a few times when they were testing the headers for my car. If they need someone for test fitting, I'll volunteer for it. I live pretty close to Megan Racing.

05/16/2008, 12:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
04GT Dread Pirate Roberts Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Southeast U.S.A. Vehicle: 2004 GT Titanium Pearl Posts: 258	Well, this is great news. The stock right endlink broke last week and I have just left the car sitting in the driveway while researching new, stronger (adjustable) endlinks. I like the Megans, but it would be great if the fit was perfect. Thank you very much for the information.

06/03/2008, 11:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
klipzed Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 69	well now i know why i have broken 3 stock links in a few months... nice work... __________________ walker 03 black GT 5sp www.gadsm.org Officer

08/06/2008, 08:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
TheFranchise Boosted Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Earth Vehicle: 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse Posts: 2,542	bump. any update from Megan? __________________ TheFranchise 2000 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 2007 Nissan 350Z Grand Touring 1991 Nissan Sentra SE-R 3G Boosted Since Jan 2003, Beating on the 3G since 2000. ALL NEW 2007 CLUB3G SCREENSAVER

09/04/2008, 07:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
davidcsurf Peruvian Kid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lake Oswego, Oregon Vehicle: 2003 Eclipse GS Posts: 73	hey guys i'm interested about megans but i want to know if it has been any update with this since i want to decide what setup i want to get __________________ Everybody likes a Peruvian Kid... Except Cops David 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS

09/07/2008, 08:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
davidcsurf Peruvian Kid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lake Oswego, Oregon Vehicle: 2003 Eclipse GS Posts: 73	bump on this thread someone knows what happen at the end. __________________ Everybody likes a Peruvian Kid... Except Cops David 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS

09/19/2008, 03:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
davidcsurf Peruvian Kid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lake Oswego, Oregon Vehicle: 2003 Eclipse GS Posts: 73	bump any updates for this? __________________ Everybody likes a Peruvian Kid... Except Cops David 2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS