Tuning and ECU Flash - Page 2

skinnyGT · 08/13/2007, 11:52 AM

I'd add to your rep but it wont let me. anyhow great write up. damn my 2000 and the unflashable ecu.

LogicGate · 08/13/2007, 06:07 PM

Na! don't worry about that, that thing is over rated!

I know a couple of people here with rep up the yinyang and they suck

Yet I appreciate it

I'm working on the post just need to structure it and put it all together. Is not much I've just been busy

Also check the last post on 1st page about "Injector's Guide" which gives you almost all the calculations except Injector Pulse Width which is also coming up!!! But be very warned! It might be a little math intense!

FlashBlueRS · 08/13/2007, 07:20 PM

I find a lot of people don't realize that tuning can not fix a car in poor mechanical condition. I get countless PM's like "Hey, my car makes a loud knocking sound, can I flash that out?" or "My car keeps stalling, can EcuFlash fix that?"

If you have a stock or mildly modified car and you have running issues and/or check engine lights, EcuFlash is not the answer. In some cases, the problem causing check engine lights and drivability issues can be compensated for by tuning, but it is just a bandaid that covers up the real issue.

A car should be in perfect mechanical condition before tuning. No vacuum/boost leaks, good ignition components, good O2 sensors, etc.

Special_K · 08/14/2007, 09:33 AM

Question for the learn'd people with reflashing. When the ECU is reflashed, does it take a period of milage or engine running before the system totally recal's itself? I know for instance when your SES light is on, and you disconnect the battery for a while, it takes a 100 miles or so before the the system comes back to par. Is this the same after a reflash???

LogicGate · 08/14/2007, 09:41 AM

Yes. Here is the information about it.

GENERAL INFORMATION
Computer Relearn Procedures
All Models

* PLEASE READ THIS FIRST *
The following general procedures are to be used if
driveability problems are encountered after power loss or battery has
been disconnected. These procedures may provide an aid in eliminating
these problems.
To reduce the possibility of complaints, after any service
which requires battery power to be disconnected, vehicle should be
road tested.

COMPUTER RELEARN PROCEDURES
Vehicles equipped with engine or transmission computers may
require a relearn procedure after vehicle battery is disconnected.
Many vehicle computers memorize and store vehicle operation patterns
for optimum driveability and performance. When vehicle battery is
disconnected, this memory is lost. The computer will use default data
until new data from each key start is stored. As computer memorizes
vehicle operation for each new key start, driveability is restored.
Vehicle computers may memorize vehicles operation patterns for 40 of
more key starts.

Customers often complain of driveability problems during
relearn stage because vehicle acts differently then before being
serviced. Depending on type and make of vehicle and how it is
equipped, the following complaints (driveability problems) may exist:
* Harsh Or Poor Shift Quality
* Rough Or Unstable Idle
* Hesitation Or Stumble
* Rich Or Lean Running
* Poor Fuel Mileage
These symptoms and complaints should disappear after a number
of drive cycles have been memorized. To reduce the possibility of
complaints, after any service which requires battery power to be
disconnected, vehicle should be road tested. If a specific relearn
procedure is not available, the following procedure may be used:

Automatic Transmission
* Set parking brake, start engine in "P" or "N" position.
Warm-up vehicle to normal operating temperature or until
cooling fan cycles.
* Allow vehicle to idle for one minute in "N" position. Select
"D" and allow engine to idle for one minute.
* Accelerate at normal throttle position (20-50%) until vehicle
shifts into top gear.
* Cruise at light to medium throttle.
* Decelerate to a stop, allowing vehicle to downshift, and use
brakes normally.
* Process may be repeated as necessary.

Manual Transmission
COMPUTER RELEARN PROCEDURES Article Text (p. 2)1997 Mitsubishi Diamante
* Place transmission in Neutral position.
* Ensure emergency brake has been set and all accessories
are turned off.
* Start engine and bring to normal operating temperature.
* Allow vehicle to idle in Neutral for one minute.
* Initial relearn is complete: process will be completed during
normal driving.

Some manufacturers identify a specific relearn procedure
which will help establish suitable driveability during relearn stage.
These procedures are especially important if vehicle is equipped with
and electronically controlled automatic transmission or transaxle.
Always complete procedure before returning vehicle to customer.

FlashBlueRS · 08/14/2007, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLIPSE_GT

Question for the learn'd people with reflashing. When the ECU is reflashed, does it take a period of milage or engine running before the system totally recal's itself? I know for instance when your SES light is on, and you disconnect the battery for a while, it takes a 100 miles or so before the the system comes back to par. Is this the same after a reflash???

A few miles of closed loop driving should be good enough to give the fuel trims time to adjust. The tranny shouldn't have to relearn because you aren't rewriting any of that data. Similar to how it doesn't have to relearn the idle.

qnz · 08/15/2007, 03:22 PM

what are the vaules you look at Logic when adjusting the baseline tune.

LogicGate · 08/15/2007, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qnz

what are the vaules you look at Logic when adjusting the baseline tune.

I look for irregularities in the stock logs vs tuned log. Also look for things that might need correction and improvement. I look at the logs through Excel by Engine RPM vs Knock Sum/Speed/ etc..

Injector Pulse Width
ECULoad
Load Calculated
Knock Sum
Engine RPM
Speed
Coolant Temp
Battery
Timing Advance
Accel. Enrich.
AFR Map
Wideband A/F Ratio
EGRTemp
Fuel Trim Low
Fuel Trim Mid
Fuel Trim High
02 Feedback Trim
Throttle Position

almost all the sensors

LogicGate · 08/16/2007, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlashBlueRS

I find a lot of people don't realize that tuning can not fix a car in poor mechanical condition. I get countless PM's like "Hey, my car makes a loud knocking sound, can I flash that out?" or "My car keeps stalling, can EcuFlash fix that?"

If you have a stock or mildly modified car and you have running issues and/or check engine lights, EcuFlash is not the answer. In some cases, the problem causing check engine lights and drivability issues can be compensated for by tuning, but it is just a bandaid that covers up the real issue.

A car should be in perfect mechanical condition before tuning. No vacuum/boost leaks, good ignition components, good O2 sensors, etc.

I want to make sure people read this!! Make sure your car is healthy before even think about tuning your car!! If you are having knock because you flashed your rom, flash back your stock rom and give it some time to relearn and readjust. Monitor your car by logging. If the problem persists then take it to a mechanic or try to find the problem. ECUFlash does not FIX engine problems. What is normal knock you say?? From my experience 1 to 3 knocks is normal. If you are gettings almost 10 knocks find out why and how to fix it. Again ECUFlash will not fix mechanical problems. I'm not posting this because of X person, but its directed towards everyone and anyone interested in tuning their car.

FlashBlueRS · 08/16/2007, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LogicGate

What is normal knock you say?? From my experience 1 to 3 knocks is normal. If you are gettings almost 10 knocks find out why and how to fix it.

You know, I really think the 4 bangers come stock with a tune that produces upwards of 10 counts. I really wish ecuflash was around when my car was stock. I had already done the head swap by time i started messing with it.

Jambolito · 08/16/2007, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LogicGate

I want to make sure people read this!! Make sure your car is healthy before even think about tuning your car!! If you are having knock because you flashed your rom, flash back your stock rom and give it some time to relearn and readjust. Monitor your car by logging. If the problem persists then take it to a mechanic or try to find the problem. ECUFlash does not FIX engine problems. What is normal knock you say?? From my experience 1 to 3 knocks is normal. If you are gettings almost 10 knocks find out why and how to fix it. Again ECUFlash will not fix mechanical problems. I'm not posting this because of X person, but its directed towards everyone and anyone interested in tuning their car.

wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more

lol

steadly2004 · 08/16/2007, 09:17 PM

I just wanted to say
"without this thread, I would be lost"

steadly2004 · 08/16/2007, 10:15 PM

THIS SHOULD BE A STICKY!

LogicGate · 08/17/2007, 03:34 PM

Guys I have tried to make time for me to finish it but I haven't had the time. There is a number of information that has been requested and provided that I need to check, verify and research. So I'm pushing it for next week to be finished. I apologize and hope everyone is still finding the information here usefull.

Benz01GS · 08/18/2007, 10:38 PM

:subscribe: awesome info

LogicGate · 08/21/2007, 02:46 PM

Post Edited and moved to:
How to: Tune using ECU Flash and other tuning informatoin

LogicGate · 08/22/2007, 08:37 AM

This thread is linked to the how to so please feel free to post questions and concerns here about tuning and ECU Flash. Also there are other methods of tuning that doesn't require to lean the AFR.

Like Dragon wrote, we can also work on the timing first and then the AFR. Also for the GT/GTS I can provide the Fuel Maps!

Benz01GS · 08/23/2007, 01:32 PM

I'd like to request information about tuning Auto/Sporties for F.I.

Or any help on creating a stand-alone ROM for F.I. Auto/sporty Galants, Eclipses, and Strats... I don't even know where to start, and what processes to follow.

If you have any info, man, it'd be a HUGE help...

LogicGate · 08/23/2007, 04:48 PM

This thread discusses the Airtrek rom that was being used to attempt to have an Evo8 rom used on the GS/RS to view boost conditions and other Evo8 features.
Airtrek ROM Thread for FI RS/GS Auto/Sporty Trans

From what I can see you are already familiar with this page but for others that haven't seen the thread follow the link above.

I can think of a couple of things from the top of my head that the ECU Flash would be useful but we need to discuss it first with Piggyback unit users. To be honest I haven't attempted to backward engineer the software/rom because I have to much on my plate. Also I'm sure Flash has attempted it or started but, its not as easy and quick as people might think. I have seen some evo roms disassembled, maybe we can use their research.

We really would need to find a Computer Engineer that is up to the task and challenge.

LogicGate · 08/26/2007, 08:43 AM

I've gotten a couple of suggestions for improving the How-to that is on the first post. Feel free to PM with suggestions.

Kobalt82 · 08/26/2007, 11:27 AM

ECU Flash update gives ability to read H8 processors! Read-only but it's a start and now we can at least get our ROM's defined

EcuFlash - OpenECU

LogicGate · 08/26/2007, 06:57 PM

Thanks! also noticed some problems with the old definitions in this release. Make sure you have the 1.29a or 1.30 installation files and a copy of your definitions just in case.

FlashBlueRS · 08/26/2007, 09:16 PM

All of the old definitions for pre 1.31 ecuflash will not work without some modifications. You must go into scaling and change all of the "data endian" settings for evo7base. If it is set to "big" you have to change it to "little" and vice versa. After that everything will work properly.

LogicGate · 08/27/2007, 01:02 PM

Here is the evo7base.xml file with the modifications done to work with the ECUFlash 1.31 which is a really great update.

evo7base.txt

You must change the extension of the file from *.txt to *.xml and save it in this location:
C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\rommetadata\mitsubishi\evo

Instead of overwriting the evo7base.xml with this one, change the extention to *.bup to keep it as a backup.

Edited:
If anyone needs the other evo base xml let me know since I have them all done. Also if there is by any chance some things still not showing right let me know to get them corrected and update the file.

steadly2004 · 08/27/2007, 02:28 PM

sweet deal Logic, thanks for the updated file!

Doc8224 · 08/27/2007, 04:39 PM

Will I be able to use my rom you are defining for me in 1.31 or will it have to be redefined for it.

LogicGate · 08/27/2007, 04:45 PM

After you install the new evo7base.xml you'll be able to use ECUFlash and the definitions the same way as the other versions.

Doc8224 I haven't worked your rom, but I will do so now since I have some time. I will email you the definition today.

Edited:
Done, check your email

Doc8224 · 08/27/2007, 04:48 PM

Thanks logic you are a life saver.

Doc8224 · 08/27/2007, 04:57 PM

Also I am having trouble changing it to a .xml file. any help or advice from you guys?

LogicGate · 08/27/2007, 05:16 PM

First
Install software 1.31
Go to C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\Backup001
Right Click on rommetadata and select Copy
Go to C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\
Right Click on the window and click on paste
Overwrite All

Second
Go to C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\rommetadata\mitsubishi\evo
There find evo7base.xml
Right Click on it and click on rename
Rename it to "evo7base.bup"

Third
Click the evo7base.txt download
Go to "C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\rommetadata\mitsubishi\evo"
Before you save change the extension from "txt" to "xml"
Then click on save

And your DONE!

Kobalt82 · 08/27/2007, 05:42 PM

Can somebody define this hex for me?

http://travisburks.com/downloads/2000eclipsegtv6.hex

LogicGate · 08/27/2007, 06:12 PM

i would love too

Edited:

Is it Auto or Manual?

FlashBlueRS · 08/27/2007, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LogicGate

i would love too

Be careful. I just browsed through the hex code and it doesn't look anything like the 2001+. The Fuel maps jumped right out, but that's about it. It'll take some time to get right.

LogicGate · 08/27/2007, 06:58 PM

Kobalt just to let you know, It won't take 30min like it is for the 01+ cars. It will probably take weeks.

The code is not the same, I will be watching the progress on the backward engineering of the code.

LogicGate · 08/27/2007, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlashBlueRS

Be careful. I just browsed through the hex code and it doesn't look anything like the 2001+. The Fuel maps jumped right out, but that's about it. It'll take some time to get right.

I know I was just posting that to Kobalt lol thnx!

Kobalt82 · 08/27/2007, 07:27 PM

Dammit. Well thanks guys. I really hope you guys can figure it out.

It's a Manual.

Special_K · 08/27/2007, 08:22 PM

Dyno Runs to come tomorrow to see exactly how good LogicGate's tunes actually are.

steadly2004 · 08/27/2007, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLIPSE_GT

Dyno Runs to come tomorrow to see exactly how good LogicGate's tunes actually are.

Ooooooo.... he's calling you out.... jk

But I think that the EVO7BASE.XML might have something off with the MAF size, because it reports like double what it did with ECUflash 1.3, I think that maby its just something with the file, but I don't really understand those things.

Special_K · 08/27/2007, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steadly2004

Ooooooo.... he's calling you out.... jk

I have all the faith in the world that I have picked up a significant amount of power due in thanks to LogicGate. My car is def. still happy with all the tweeking he has done over the past several weeks. Proof will be in the pudding tomorrow evening. *Crosses fingers hoping to be over 200whp/200wftlbs*

LogicGate · 08/27/2007, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLIPSE_GT

I have all the faith in the world that I have picked up a significant amount of power due in thanks to LogicGate. My car is def. still happy with all the tweeking he has done over the past several weeks. Proof will be in the pudding tomorrow evening. *Crosses fingers hoping to be over 200whp/200wftlbs*

I wish I could be there to fine tune

LogicGate · 08/27/2007, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steadly2004

Ooooooo.... he's calling you out.... jk

But I think that the EVO7BASE.XML might have something off with the MAF size, because it reports like double what it did with ECUflash 1.3, I think that maby its just something with the file, but I don't really understand those things.

It might not have taken care of it.....

This one was done by another member in the OpenECU.org site

evo7base.txt I think he got all the settings done. I might have missed a few. Check it out and let me know to otherwise fix it.

FlashBlueRS · 08/27/2007, 10:01 PM

I had no luck manually editing the xml files. I could only get it to work when i opened up ecuflash and used the edit feature in the scaling menu.

LogicGate · 08/29/2007, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLIPSE_GT

2001 GT Sporty
89 degrees
Mustang Dyno

Stock run:
151whp/153wftlbs

Tuned and reflashed:
175whp/177wftlbs
Correction to Dynojet numbers (using 12% increase *who cares*)
196whp/198wftlbs

Still some more tuning to go. Thanks LogicGate for all the hours spent tuning.

There are the results from clipse_gt dyno. There is around 25whp/wtq increase so far. Currently our problem is getting the AFR right because is running really rich. Like in the How-to, in N/A applications 12.5-12.8 AFR is the goal. Hope this motivates everyone.

Devin01RT · 08/29/2007, 07:38 AM

Holy S*$%!! That's such an awesome increase, I can't recall all of his mods but that isn't too bad, I'm guessing I/E/H ? Awesome, even with more tuning that is so great... Can't wait to have mine done

Special_K · 08/29/2007, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devin01RT

Holy S*$%!! That's such an awesome increase, I can't recall all of his mods but that isn't too bad, I'm guessing I/E/H ? Awesome, even with more tuning that is so great... Can't wait to have mine done

Injen RD CAI
RPW Short Tube Headers
Magnaflow 2.25" Main Cat
Greddy Evo 2 Cat back
Magnecore Wires
Denso Iridium Plugs

Thats about it when it comes to motor mods.

Devin01RT · 08/29/2007, 08:06 AM

Not bad, not bad at all. 5spd as well? Great numbers, have you had a chance to get on it yet? I'm sure the performance is much more noticeable as well.

Special_K · 08/29/2007, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLIPSE_GT
2001 GT Sporty
89 degrees
Mustang Dyno

Stock run:
151whp/153wftlbs

Tuned and reflashed:
175whp/177wftlbs
Correction to Dynojet numbers (using 12% increase *who cares*)
196whp/198wftlbs

Still some more tuning to go. Thanks LogicGate for all the hours spent tuning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLIPSE_GT

Injen RD CAI
RPW Short Tube Headers
Magnaflow 2.25" Main Cat
Greddy Evo 2 Cat back
Magnecore Wires
Denso Iridium Plugs

Thats about it when it comes to motor mods.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devin01RT

Not bad, not bad at all. 5spd as well? Great numbers, have you had a chance to get on it yet? I'm sure the performance is much more noticeable as well.

No its a Sporty. Yes I have gotten on it. Its very noticable over the whole power band. Ill be goin to the track tonight to see how I fair out 1/4 mile time wise.

Devin01RT · 08/29/2007, 09:29 AM

Aweesome. Definately let us know how you do, I figure a 25whp/tq gain will drop around half a second or so atleast on your overall time..

Special_K · 08/29/2007, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devin01RT

Aweesome. Definately let us know how you do, I figure a 25whp/tq gain will drop around half a second or so atleast on your overall time..

We shall see. The good part is I am making peak hp and tq in the lower rpms.

LogicGate · 08/29/2007, 04:34 PM

Hopefully with all the data gathered in the dyno will be able to increase it even further.

Doc8224 · 08/29/2007, 05:15 PM

Thats great news for me. Since I have the same bolt ons and all the intake and head work done. I know I dropped 3 tenths of my E.T. so far with the head work and tuning. I am still trying to find the sweet spot on the top end but with the adjustable cam gears I am trying to find the best place for the power to be at on these motors so I can fine tune using the ecuflash. Thanks again to logic for all the hard work on this stuff.

LogicGate · 08/29/2007, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc8224

Thats great news for me. Since I have the same bolt ons and all the intake and head work done. I know I dropped 3 tenths of my E.T. so far with the head work and tuning. I am still trying to find the sweet spot on the top end but with the adjustable cam gears I am trying to find the best place for the power to be at on these motors so I can fine tune using the ecuflash. Thanks again to logic for all the hard work on this stuff.

Nice, sounds like you could make some really great numbers.

Hope we can start a N/A battle!

Devin01RT · 08/30/2007, 07:38 AM

So how'd the track go CLIPSE_GT? I wanna hear the results/comparison numbers

Doc8224 · 08/30/2007, 10:38 AM

Yea I would like to get a nice all motor tune going and dyno it just for bragging rights but I realy need it for the spray. I am hoping to hit at least 250whp on the bottle. I imagine I will be well over that but I like to set low goals. less likely to get depressed when I miss em.

LogicGate · 08/30/2007, 01:17 PM

I think is a pretty good goal. You've definitely have worked to increase the VE, so I'm sure you can make that an more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devin01RT

So how'd the track go CLIPSE_GT? I wanna hear the results/comparison numbers

I'm interested too

Devin01RT · 08/30/2007, 01:27 PM

The suspense is KILLING me!! Just think what you're new motor is going to do Logic, it's gotta be eating you up inside! AHH

Special_K · 08/30/2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LogicGate

I think is a pretty good goal. You've definitely have worked to increase the VE, so I'm sure you can make that an more.

I'm interested too

Not that big of an improvement. It could of been the fact that I had 200 lbs of extra shat sitting in my car last night, or it could of been the fact that it was 90 degrees with 100% humidity.

I ran a 16.2 with a 2.433 60'

Stock I ran a 16.5 with a 2.6 60'

So I guess I did pick up 3 tenths of a second and 2 tenths on my 60' but I believe its just a driver error. The car has way more, I just need to learn to launch better. Still none the less, The dyno sheets dont lie, and I def picked up 25whp and 25wftlbs. Al and I will def work towards the 30whp mark now and maybe beyond.

Devin01RT · 08/30/2007, 02:42 PM

This heat is really throwing off numbers around the nation, just wait a month or two for it to really cool off and see what it can really do

..

Oh, and you have a sporty which never is any fair

Get a high stall converter... They take off about 1/2 1/4 mile second on most guys applications.

LogicGate · 08/30/2007, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLIPSE_GT

Not that big of an improvement. It could of been the fact that I had 200 lbs of extra shat sitting in my car last night, or it could of been the fact that it was 90 degrees with 100% humidity.

I ran a 16.2 with a 2.433 60'

Stock I ran a 16.5 with a 2.6 60'

So I guess I did pick up 3 tenths of a second and 2 tenths on my 60' but I believe its just a driver error. The car has way more, I just need to learn to launch better. Still none the less, The dyno sheets dont lie, and I def picked up 25whp and 25wftlbs. Al and I will def work towards the 30whp mark now and maybe beyond.

Humm... I'm sure it can be alot better. I was just in the highway when an RSX-S wanted to run over me. I never race, but I wanted to see what was the difference. The car held with him just fine (that means that we stood side by side) which impressed me.

We really need an aftermarket trans cooler. My trans oil is getting to hot, specially in this heat wave and humidity here in Florida.

Edited: About the those 5hp.... I have that nailed, we just need to get the AFR running where we want them to be and its "done".

Also I don't care what people say, but 200lbs is 200lbs, I'm sure that affected. I have seen Evo8 and 9 run like crap because they are full of people. My car runs like crap too if there is to much weight in it.

Doc8224 · 08/30/2007, 05:13 PM

That is not bad. take into account that the faster you get in the quarter the harder it will be to get faster (if that makes sense...

) What I mean is 25whp got you three tenths in the quarter in the 16sec range, 25whp for me in the 13 sec range will shave less time off. you are working with the right people for tuning that thing but If you get serious about more power, focus on the airflow into the motor, i.e head work, manifold porting or swapping. That is where I have seen the biggest gains. keep working on it, am glad to see a lot of people on here are not afraid to go to the dyno's AND beat it up a little on the strip.

08/13/2007, 06:07 PM	#62 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	Na! don't worry about that, that thing is over rated! I know a couple of people here with rep up the yinyang and they suck Yet I appreciate it I'm working on the post just need to structure it and put it all together. Is not much I've just been busy Also check the last post on 1st page about "Injector's Guide" which gives you almost all the calculations except Injector Pulse Width which is also coming up!!! But be very warned! It might be a little math intense! Last edited by LogicGate; 08/13/2007 at 06:26 PM.

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Special_K N my Flippy Floppies Aqua Slug Champion! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mentor, OH Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT PP Posts: 14,228	Question for the learn'd people with reflashing. When the ECU is reflashed, does it take a period of milage or engine running before the system totally recal's itself? I know for instance when your SES light is on, and you disconnect the battery for a while, it takes a 100 miles or so before the the system comes back to par. Is this the same after a reflash??? __________________ JIC Muellerized... Secsiness 2001 GT PP A/T 205whp/203wft-lbs *Tuned by LogicGate, Sponsored by Tearstone*

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Benz01GS Kuztom Uzer Tytel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Columbia, SC Vehicle: '04 Lancer Evolution RS Posts: 741	:subscribe: awesome info __________________ BUY MY SHIT!!! "Save your money, and do it right."

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Benz01GS Kuztom Uzer Tytel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Columbia, SC Vehicle: '04 Lancer Evolution RS Posts: 741	I'd like to request information about tuning Auto/Sporties for F.I. Or any help on creating a stand-alone ROM for F.I. Auto/sporty Galants, Eclipses, and Strats... I don't even know where to start, and what processes to follow. If you have any info, man, it'd be a HUGE help... __________________ BUY MY SHIT!!! "Save your money, and do it right."

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Kobalt82 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: 2000 GT-T Posts: 514	ECU Flash update gives ability to read H8 processors! Read-only but it's a start and now we can at least get our ROM's defined EcuFlash - OpenECU __________________ 2000 Silver GT-T MyCarSpace

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skinnyGT Spooling & Foolin Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Carlisle, PA Vehicle: Turbo GT Posts: 1,775	I'd add to your rep but it wont let me. anyhow great write up. damn my 2000 and the unflashable ecu.

08/13/2007, 07:20 PM	#63 (permalink)
FlashBlueRS Zero Resistance, LLC Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Vehicle: 02 DOHC Eclipse RS Posts: 1,877	I find a lot of people don't realize that tuning can not fix a car in poor mechanical condition. I get countless PM's like "Hey, my car makes a loud knocking sound, can I flash that out?" or "My car keeps stalling, can EcuFlash fix that?" If you have a stock or mildly modified car and you have running issues and/or check engine lights, EcuFlash is not the answer. In some cases, the problem causing check engine lights and drivability issues can be compensated for by tuning, but it is just a bandaid that covers up the real issue. A car should be in perfect mechanical condition before tuning. No vacuum/boost leaks, good ignition components, good O2 sensors, etc.

08/14/2007, 09:41 AM	#65 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	Yes. Here is the information about it. GENERAL INFORMATION Computer Relearn Procedures All Models * PLEASE READ THIS FIRST * The following general procedures are to be used if driveability problems are encountered after power loss or battery has been disconnected. These procedures may provide an aid in eliminating these problems. To reduce the possibility of complaints, after any service which requires battery power to be disconnected, vehicle should be road tested. COMPUTER RELEARN PROCEDURES Vehicles equipped with engine or transmission computers may require a relearn procedure after vehicle battery is disconnected. Many vehicle computers memorize and store vehicle operation patterns for optimum driveability and performance. When vehicle battery is disconnected, this memory is lost. The computer will use default data until new data from each key start is stored. As computer memorizes vehicle operation for each new key start, driveability is restored. Vehicle computers may memorize vehicles operation patterns for 40 of more key starts. Customers often complain of driveability problems during relearn stage because vehicle acts differently then before being serviced. Depending on type and make of vehicle and how it is equipped, the following complaints (driveability problems) may exist: * Harsh Or Poor Shift Quality * Rough Or Unstable Idle * Hesitation Or Stumble * Rich Or Lean Running * Poor Fuel Mileage These symptoms and complaints should disappear after a number of drive cycles have been memorized. To reduce the possibility of complaints, after any service which requires battery power to be disconnected, vehicle should be road tested. If a specific relearn procedure is not available, the following procedure may be used: Automatic Transmission * Set parking brake, start engine in "P" or "N" position. Warm-up vehicle to normal operating temperature or until cooling fan cycles. * Allow vehicle to idle for one minute in "N" position. Select "D" and allow engine to idle for one minute. * Accelerate at normal throttle position (20-50%) until vehicle shifts into top gear. * Cruise at light to medium throttle. * Decelerate to a stop, allowing vehicle to downshift, and use brakes normally. * Process may be repeated as necessary. Manual Transmission COMPUTER RELEARN PROCEDURES Article Text (p. 2)1997 Mitsubishi Diamante * Place transmission in Neutral position. * Ensure emergency brake has been set and all accessories are turned off. * Start engine and bring to normal operating temperature. * Allow vehicle to idle in Neutral for one minute. * Initial relearn is complete: process will be completed during normal driving. Some manufacturers identify a specific relearn procedure which will help establish suitable driveability during relearn stage. These procedures are especially important if vehicle is equipped with and electronically controlled automatic transmission or transaxle. Always complete procedure before returning vehicle to customer.

08/15/2007, 03:22 PM	#67 (permalink)
qnz Galant-Turbo Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: QueeNZ, NY Vehicle: 2003 Galant Posts: 252	what are the vaules you look at Logic when adjusting the baseline tune.

08/16/2007, 09:17 PM	#72 (permalink)
steadly2004 Boosted Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lincolnton, NC Vehicle: Stratus 2.4L Posts: 3,757	I just wanted to say "without this thread, I would be lost"

08/16/2007, 10:15 PM	#73 (permalink)
steadly2004 Boosted Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lincolnton, NC Vehicle: Stratus 2.4L Posts: 3,757	THIS SHOULD BE A STICKY!

08/17/2007, 03:34 PM	#74 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	Guys I have tried to make time for me to finish it but I haven't had the time. There is a number of information that has been requested and provided that I need to check, verify and research. So I'm pushing it for next week to be finished. I apologize and hope everyone is still finding the information here usefull.

08/21/2007, 02:46 PM	#76 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	Post Edited and moved to: How to: Tune using ECU Flash and other tuning informatoin

08/22/2007, 08:37 AM	#77 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	This thread is linked to the how to so please feel free to post questions and concerns here about tuning and ECU Flash. Also there are other methods of tuning that doesn't require to lean the AFR. Like Dragon wrote, we can also work on the timing first and then the AFR. Also for the GT/GTS I can provide the Fuel Maps!

08/23/2007, 04:48 PM	#79 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	This thread discusses the Airtrek rom that was being used to attempt to have an Evo8 rom used on the GS/RS to view boost conditions and other Evo8 features. Airtrek ROM Thread for FI RS/GS Auto/Sporty Trans From what I can see you are already familiar with this page but for others that haven't seen the thread follow the link above. I can think of a couple of things from the top of my head that the ECU Flash would be useful but we need to discuss it first with Piggyback unit users. To be honest I haven't attempted to backward engineer the software/rom because I have to much on my plate. Also I'm sure Flash has attempted it or started but, its not as easy and quick as people might think. I have seen some evo roms disassembled, maybe we can use their research. We really would need to find a Computer Engineer that is up to the task and challenge.

08/26/2007, 08:43 AM	#80 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	I've gotten a couple of suggestions for improving the How-to that is on the first post. Feel free to PM with suggestions.

08/26/2007, 06:57 PM	#82 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	Thanks! also noticed some problems with the old definitions in this release. Make sure you have the 1.29a or 1.30 installation files and a copy of your definitions just in case.

08/26/2007, 09:16 PM	#83 (permalink)
FlashBlueRS Zero Resistance, LLC Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Vehicle: 02 DOHC Eclipse RS Posts: 1,877	All of the old definitions for pre 1.31 ecuflash will not work without some modifications. You must go into scaling and change all of the "data endian" settings for evo7base. If it is set to "big" you have to change it to "little" and vice versa. After that everything will work properly.

08/27/2007, 01:02 PM	#84 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	Here is the evo7base.xml file with the modifications done to work with the ECUFlash 1.31 which is a really great update. evo7base.txt You must change the extension of the file from .txt to .xml and save it in this location: C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\rommetadata\mitsubishi\evo Instead of overwriting the evo7base.xml with this one, change the extention to .bup to keep it as a backup. Edited: If anyone needs the other evo base xml let me know since I have them all done. Also if there is by any chance some things still not showing right let me know to get them corrected and update the file. Last edited by LogicGate; 08/27/2007 at 01:18 PM.*

08/27/2007, 02:28 PM	#85 (permalink)
steadly2004 Boosted Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lincolnton, NC Vehicle: Stratus 2.4L Posts: 3,757	sweet deal Logic, thanks for the updated file!

08/27/2007, 04:39 PM	#86 (permalink)
Doc8224 Not Fast Enough Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Arkansas Vehicle: 2002 Eclipse GT Posts: 207	Will I be able to use my rom you are defining for me in 1.31 or will it have to be redefined for it.

08/27/2007, 04:45 PM	#87 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	After you install the new evo7base.xml you'll be able to use ECUFlash and the definitions the same way as the other versions. Doc8224 I haven't worked your rom, but I will do so now since I have some time. I will email you the definition today. Edited: Done, check your email Last edited by LogicGate; 08/27/2007 at 05:09 PM.

08/27/2007, 04:48 PM	#88 (permalink)
Doc8224 Not Fast Enough Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Arkansas Vehicle: 2002 Eclipse GT Posts: 207	Thanks logic you are a life saver.

08/27/2007, 04:57 PM	#89 (permalink)
Doc8224 Not Fast Enough Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Arkansas Vehicle: 2002 Eclipse GT Posts: 207	Also I am having trouble changing it to a .xml file. any help or advice from you guys?

08/27/2007, 05:16 PM	#90 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	First Install software 1.31 Go to C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\Backup001 Right Click on rommetadata and select Copy Go to C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\ Right Click on the window and click on paste Overwrite All Second Go to C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\rommetadata\mitsubishi\evo There find evo7base.xml Right Click on it and click on rename Rename it to "evo7base.bup" Third Click the evo7base.txt download Go to "C:\Program Files\OpenECU\EcuFlash\rommetadata\mitsubishi\evo" Before you save change the extension from "txt" to "xml" Then click on save And your DONE!

08/27/2007, 05:42 PM	#91 (permalink)
Kobalt82 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: 2000 GT-T Posts: 514	Can somebody define this hex for me? http://travisburks.com/downloads/2000eclipsegtv6.hex __________________ 2000 Silver GT-T MyCarSpace

08/27/2007, 06:12 PM	#92 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	i would love too Edited: Is it Auto or Manual? Last edited by LogicGate; 08/27/2007 at 06:37 PM.

08/27/2007, 06:58 PM	#94 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	Kobalt just to let you know, It won't take 30min like it is for the 01+ cars. It will probably take weeks. The code is not the same, I will be watching the progress on the backward engineering of the code.

08/27/2007, 07:27 PM	#96 (permalink)
Kobalt82 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM Vehicle: 2000 GT-T Posts: 514	Dammit. Well thanks guys. I really hope you guys can figure it out. It's a Manual. __________________ 2000 Silver GT-T MyCarSpace

08/27/2007, 08:22 PM	#97 (permalink)
Special_K N my Flippy Floppies Aqua Slug Champion! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mentor, OH Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT PP Posts: 14,228	Dyno Runs to come tomorrow to see exactly how good LogicGate's tunes actually are. __________________ JIC Muellerized... Secsiness 2001 GT PP A/T 205whp/203wft-lbs *Tuned by LogicGate, Sponsored by Tearstone*

08/27/2007, 10:01 PM	#102 (permalink)
FlashBlueRS Zero Resistance, LLC Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Vehicle: 02 DOHC Eclipse RS Posts: 1,877	I had no luck manually editing the xml files. I could only get it to work when i opened up ecuflash and used the edit feature in the scaling menu.

08/29/2007, 07:38 AM	#104 (permalink)
Devin01RT Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Vehicle: 2001 Dodge Stratus R/T Posts: 1,931	Holy S*$%!! That's such an awesome increase, I can't recall all of his mods but that isn't too bad, I'm guessing I/E/H ? Awesome, even with more tuning that is so great... Can't wait to have mine done

08/29/2007, 08:06 AM	#106 (permalink)
Devin01RT Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Vehicle: 2001 Dodge Stratus R/T Posts: 1,931	Not bad, not bad at all. 5spd as well? Great numbers, have you had a chance to get on it yet? I'm sure the performance is much more noticeable as well.

08/29/2007, 09:29 AM	#108 (permalink)
Devin01RT Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Vehicle: 2001 Dodge Stratus R/T Posts: 1,931	Aweesome. Definately let us know how you do, I figure a 25whp/tq gain will drop around half a second or so atleast on your overall time..

08/29/2007, 04:34 PM	#110 (permalink)
LogicGate Just Married 05-15 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 2001 Eclipse GT Spyder Posts: 1,753	Hopefully with all the data gathered in the dyno will be able to increase it even further.