New dyno numbers... broke 400 WHP - Page 2

PharmEcis · 12/27/2008, 10:58 AM

I am telling you again, a 3" downpipe is not required to make that kind of power. A 2.5" DP flows just fine, the only thing that is affected is spool up.

Do not install a 3" DP and magically assume your power numbers are going to go up. In all honesty, I think the issue w/ your setup is your turbo.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/27/2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PharmEcis

I am telling you again, a 3" downpipe is not required to make that kind of power. A 2.5" DP flows just fine, the only thing that is affected is spool up.

Do not install a 3" DP and magically assume your power numbers are going to go up. In all honesty, I think the issue w/ your setup is your turbo.

Greg is absolutely right. I don't have a 3" downpipe and never claimed to. It physically wouldn't fit. It's 2.5" and it tapers to 3" at the front cross member for the rest of my exhaust - mandrel-bent. The thing is I did gain 38 WHP by moving from a 2.5" crush-bent to a mandrel-bent exhaust. But the crush bent exhaust was surely a restriction.

Chato · 12/27/2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PharmEcis

I am telling you again, a 3" downpipe is not required to make that kind of power. A 2.5" DP flows just fine, the only thing that is affected is spool up.

Do not install a 3" DP and magically assume your power numbers are going to go up. In all honesty, I think the issue w/ your setup is your turbo.

I'm repeating what my tuner told me. The guy at the dyno told me that when he checked the temp of the DP, the DP was way hotter than the turbine. My turbine has a 3" V-band outlet and I had to get a 3" v-band flange and weld it to the 2.5" down pipe so the exhaust flow is hitting a wall. Upgrading the DP should give me some better numbers. I'll post the results.

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

Greg is absolutely right. I don't have a 3" downpipe and never claimed to. It physically wouldn't fit. It's 2.5" and it tapers to 3" at the front cross member for the rest of my exhaust - mandrel-bent. The thing is I did gain 38 WHP by moving from a 2.5" crush-bent to a mandrel-bent exhaust. But the crush bent exhaust was surely a restriction.

I thought you had a 3" DP because your mod list read 3" tubing for your exhaust. My mistake I guess.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/27/2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chato

I'm repeating what my tuner told me. The guy at the dyno told me that when he checked the temp of the DP, the DP was way hotter than the turbine. My turbine has a 3" V-band outlet and I had to get a 3" v-band flange and weld it to the 2.5" down pipe so the exhaust flow is hitting a wall. Upgrading the DP should give me some better numbers. I'll post the results.

It may gain you power due to less restriction but it's not going to unleash a whole new realm of power. 10 WHP maybe. The turbine wheel on your turbocharger is how big? I guarantee it's smaller than 2.5". Even the exhaust wheel on my GT3582R is smaller than 2.5". If the 3" to 2.5" taper is smooth, it's really not losing you any power.

Chato · 12/27/2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

It may gain you power due to less restriction but it's not going to unleash a whole new realm of power. 10 WHP maybe. The turbine wheel on your turbocharger is how big? I guarantee it's smaller than 2.5". Even the exhaust wheel on my GT3582R is smaller than 2.5". If the 3" to 2.5" taper is smooth, it's really not losing you any power.

I didn't say it is going to give me a whole lot of power but it is definitely going to give me gains. My turbine wheel exducer is 2.29" and the major is 2.89". My 2.5" DP came with a 2.5" V-band flange. All we did was weld a 3" V-band flange to the DP and connect it to the turbo, so I don't think it is smooth at all. I'll get all that stuff fix next year.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/27/2008, 01:13 PM

Dude I've read your thread and it's clear that your tuning shop gave you the impression that the 2.5" DP is holding you back, and you're quite convinced they're right. This is no offense to you, but you've got at least 150 WHP to gain to match how a proper turbo setup on this platform can perform at 16-17 PSI. Your tuner is at fault. I by no means have an aggressive tune on the car - I'm running 17-20 degrees advance @ 17 PSI with no significant knock. 11.9-12.2 AFR at peak torque, and 11.8-11.5 from there to red line. There is tons of potential on the 6G72 at boost levels below 20 PSI. Once I get my 880 cc/min injectors in, I'm putting this built lower end (I didn't set my ring end gaps to be larger than my spark plug gaps for no reason) and turbocharger to use. I suspect I'll easily break 550 WHP at 24 PSI and I'll break 600 if I really push the turbo up to 30+ PSI. The stock cams aren't a restriction per se, they just produce an undesirable torque curve up top. I made 488 to the wheels on them at fairly low boost. People have thrown around the figure of "no more than 400 WHP" before in reference to the stock cams... and that seems to hold true. I've never seen a dyno sheet above 380-something WHP before. That is, until I actually got a proper setup on my car.

And Greg... are you going to say that I did a poor job porting and polishing my heads now? I swear to God you people will criticize anything.

icemanrld19 · 12/27/2008, 10:15 PM

congrats. I love everything man

repforenzo · 12/27/2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

I swear to God you people will criticize anything.

I see it differently. Every milestone people make with this version of the 6g72 is recent. Not to mention that every body's system is pretty custom, or there is no clear standard turbo kit... yet. So some questions, debates, and a bit of scrutiny will come up. It's all good stuff and shouldn't be taken as slights. Who knows how your set up will react to the cam change and to the addition of Greg's manifolds. Exciting!

WarmAndSCSI · 12/27/2008, 10:53 PM

Uh... you should take a look back at the head porting & polishing thread I created. I see Greg, for example, constantly trying to correct and belittle people here, whether he be right or wrong, just to defend his "turf." To defend this respect he has earned for... well, quite frankly, I feel like nothing. What tangible accomplishments has he made with this platform? I sure as fuck am not paying him over a grand for some manifolds I could fab up at cost. Same as I would never pay $500 over MSRP for an Evo EMS with a patch harness...

I just hate this attitude and that I've never seen this particular person actually demonstrate any kind of respect for what other people have done and are capable of doing... shit I read something to the effect of "I'm the only person with the money, resources, and knowledge to do an AWD swap on this platform." Quite possible one of the most arrogant things I've read on this forum.

I know you and Greg are buddies or whatever, but at least you have the capability of showing some humility. He just pisses me off and so does the general lack of interest among members of this community.

repforenzo · 12/28/2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

Uh... you should take a look back at the head porting & polishing thread I created. I see Greg, for example, constantly trying to correct and belittle people here, whether he be right or wrong, just to defend his "turf." To defend this respect he has earned for... well, quite frankly, I feel like nothing. What tangible accomplishments has he made with this platform? I sure as fuck am not paying him over a grand for some manifolds I could fab up at cost. Same as I would never pay $500 over MSRP for an Evo EMS with a patch harness...

I just hate this attitude and that I've never seen this particular person actually demonstrate any kind of respect for what other people have done and are capable of doing... shit I read something to the effect of "I'm the only person with the money, resources, and knowledge to do an AWD swap on this platform." Quite possible one of the most arrogant things I've read on this forum.

I know you and Greg are buddies or whatever, but at least you have the capability of showing some humility. He just pisses me off and so does the general lack of interest among members of this community.

I know Greg can have a little 'bite' at times, but it usually is not in malice... unless provoked.

Because he lives in my area, I have gotten to know him. I have found him to possess two rare qualities that are hard to find in people these days: honesty and integrity. He's a human being and certainly has his faults, as do I, as do you. The AWD thread you referred, Greg was getting annoyed and I believe I called him on that. He has his moments, but this forum has more value with him in it.

You need to focus more on the positive rather than what piss you off about this forum. I mean, was the genmay forum better?

There has been a lot of turn-over lately. The usual suspects have moved on, so it is up to the rest of us to keep up the interest. As a senior member with a unique build, I'd hope that you'd want to take on the torch and leave the BS behind.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 01:34 AM

I find it quite disturbing that people have been e-stalking me... who really has the time to take interest in somebody they supposedly despise? No friends? No family? No hobbies?

See that's the bullshit that ruins Internet forums. The drama. People do not know how to admit they're wrong when they are and would rather cause a big fuss than just being mature about it. I mean for fuck's sake there is an image on the C3G homepage that is the TNT logo "We Know Drama."

It's kind of difficult to actually WANT to be part of such a community. Seriously, I was telling Russ before that I wasn't going to come back to C3G because it's a waste of my time. And it really is. There's absolutely no benefit in it for me unless I can actually see that what I share makes a difference. And that's nigh impossible when the most popular activity when you're having an online discussion is dick-waving. I don't need to prove anything. Anybody who is not impressed that I've built and tuned this all myself - EVERYTHING - is, putting it blunt, an idiot.

Respect isn't earned online how it is in real life. I've been around Internet forums more than long enough to know that. It's why I choose to behave how I do online. The nice, helpful guy always gets pushed aside online. So why be him? The game is to be the biggest asshole you can be. We all know that. Absurd as it may be, that's how it is.

repforenzo · 12/28/2008, 02:22 AM

I'm starting to understand you a bit more now. You have a predisposition. Unfortunately, that makes it harder for those of us who are sincere to communicate with you. The e-stalking is not cool, I'm sorry to hear that crap is going on.

However, you don't have to become "...the biggest asshole you can be.". I've always tried to communicate on the forums as if the person was standing in front of me. I think if more people bought into that philosophy, the forums would be more respectful. Plus the added bonus is most people do respond positively when they feel you are giving them respect. You may want to consider how and why people are reacting the way they are to you. What you share makes a difference. It is how you share it.

I still find the forums enjoyable. Seeing what people are able to do to this difficult, and mostly unsupported platform is amazing. I'm hoping you'll stick around, but that is up to you. If you don't enjoy it then move on to something that is more fulfilling.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 02:32 AM

I ask very few questions ever. But when I do, nobody has any answers. A few years ago when I asked questions on here and got no useful response it made me feel like nobody on here knew what the fuck they were talking about. And for the most part that is true. At least for the kinds of questions I'm going to bring to the table. And then to come back here to announce my success. Do you think I feel any obligation to give back to Club3G? Do you think I feel as though this community really helped me accomplish anything? No, I really don't. Wish I could, and I wish I could feel that way about any particular car community, but I don't. That's why I don't understand how the expectation could be for me to respect Club3G even though this place has done very little for me personally other than to serve as a vessel for people to sling shit at me.

You know I'd donate to this site and help make it a better place but I'm not going to. Doesn't mean I don't want to contribute, but I'd rather be putting effort into building my own Mitsubishi community that will be everything that Club3G isn't.

I mean you'll see me put down way over 500 WHP within a week or so (if I get my damn injectors) and I really doubt many people will even understand the significance of that.

repforenzo · 12/28/2008, 02:52 AM

I hear you on that. At the same time the types of questions you maybe asking are very progressive. So you are ahead of the curve in that regard. As I said before, many of the old guard has moved on (Rulez, ryu, Russ to a certain degree, etc.), so you are not going to find to many who can give you advice that may be useful to your build. It is a bit of a shame, but it happens. People are going to look to you for answers rather then visa versa. At the same time, I do see more members getting involve with this platform and we'll see what happens in the future.

One thing I've got to criticize you for is 'tooting' your own horn. It is remarkable what you've accomplished and what you may have in store down the road. We do recognize that. But you've been using that as leverage more than once. It is a turn off.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 02:57 AM

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One thing I've got to criticize you for is 'tooting' your own horn. It is remarkable what you've accomplished and what you may have in store down the road. We do recognize that. But you've been using that as leverage more than once. It is a turn off.

You may recognize it but how many others do? I don't see it, I never have. You have not the faintest idea how much negative bullshit I've had to hear from people while building this car. But you know what? I finished it anyway, but not after spending a lot of time and money on it. The failure and bullshit never phased me. But it sure as hell has made me bitter. Not a single person on this website will know what it's like to have spent this much time, money, and effort on a project car on this platform. Look at it in that perspective.

repforenzo · 12/28/2008, 03:41 AM

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You may recognize it but how many others do? I don't see it, I never have. You have not the faintest idea how much negative bullshit I've had to hear from people while building this car. But you know what? I finished it anyway, but not after spending a lot of time and money on it. The failure and bullshit never phased me. But it sure as hell has made me bitter. Not a single person on this website will know what it's like to have spent this much time, money, and effort on a project car on this platform. Look at it in that perspective.

Oh, I can certainly appreciate the effort, the money, the ups and the downs. I've experienced it all to one degree or another. I also understand that until people do it themselves, they really don't know. Fortunately, I haven't experienced the haters. I believe that is a direct result of how I interact with people.

Right or wrong, you've chosen to take them all on. There is no question the negativity has driven you. In those terms, you do feel you have something to prove. But at what cost?

None of us has any control of what has happened in the past. We can control the here-and-now and lay the foundation for what can happen in the future. That can have a profound effect in real life and these 'forum' lives. I can feel your anger and bitterness from what has transpired, not only in this forum, but other forums. It saddens me.

It is too easy to say "Oh, just forget the past", so I'm not going to say it. Rather look forward to the 500-600 hp monster your are building and tell us about it.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 03:57 AM

Well what always astounds me is how people who have never even touched forced induction or engine internals before think they have the right to criticize. And it's easy to ignore in a large sense but the whole e-stalking thing is going too far. I'm mainly referring to 2 Galant owners who will most definitely read this and feel as though they have something to gain by bashing me. But guess what fuckers, you don't. (these are owners of stock-engined Galants, go figure)

But this sucker is already built. I'm running out of things to do on it. I already know my engine will need a refresh before next race season. No big deal, I don't mind changing out rod bearings and a set of pistons. I do it all the time. That's part of what astounds me so. People honestly don't understand what is involved when "blowing up" an engine. For me it has been EMI interference or spun rod bearings caused by poor machining (never assembly error as I found during the autopsies).

Anybody who knows a lot about 6G72's knows they love to spin rod bearings prematurely. There's simply not enough bearing surface area there. I wish Mitsu would have fixed this in newer versions of the 6G72, but they didn't. If you've ever torn apart both a 6G72 and 6G74 before, you'll know how much better the 6G74 is in this regard. The mains are larger as well as the rod pins. SOOOO much better from a durability standpoint. For this, I wish I had built a 6G74, but there were no strong forged rods available for it at the time.

All it takes is one rod big end being 1 thou out of round to cause a rod bearing to spin prematurely. I finally invested in a digital bore gauge so I check all of that stuff now before assembly, but all-in-all it's been screw-ups of my previous machine shops that have caused any bearing-related failures.

And EMI issues are fun. Especially EMI that affects my E-Manage but not the stock ECU. So when you get spark blow-out, you not only get a misfire, but you also get a nasty fuel cut as well because the E-Manage suddenly thinks boost and RPM input has been cut in half. THAT sucks, and finally catching it on a data log was quite a "doh!" moment. So I went back to some Magnecor wires and added a high-quality grounding kit. Fixed. Could have saved me SEVERAL engine rebuilds if I had caught that sooner.

But all-in-all it's definitely upon people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to engines and tuning to judge that I don't know what I'm doing

Oh and Greg... do you honestly think I'd gain magical power by switching to an EMS when I'm already making 488 and 504 lb-ft @ 17 PSI?

Like I've said before, ignition timing is ignition timing, fuel injection is fuel injection. There's nothing wrong with what the stock ECU does.

repforenzo · 12/28/2008, 02:25 PM

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But this sucker is already built. I'm running out of things to do on it. I already know my engine will need a refresh before next race season.

Oh and Greg... do you honestly think I'd gain magical power by switching to an EMS when I'm already making 488 and 504 lb-ft @ 17 PSI?

Like I've said before, ignition timing is ignition timing, fuel injection is fuel injection. There's nothing wrong with what the stock ECU does.

Wow, do you really think you need a "refresh"? I guess with the power level you are at, I shouldn't be totally surprised. I'll be curious to hear how those bearings look when you pull them.

I say you've got a pretty good thing going with the E-manage Ultimate. But I wouldn't discount what the benefit of a standalone would bring. Yeah, I know tuning is tuning, but perhaps with the standalone you would not have had some of the EMI issues you had. Maybe or maybe not.

I guess it comes down to preference. I'm personally adverse to piggybacks, but I still own a "Blue" and would use it for fuel if I need it.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 02:32 PM

Yeah my top rings are pinched and the top ring lands are a little pitted on the intake side. It was bad enough that I had to have the heads welded and milled. A huge part of that was my blown Cometic gaskets - sucking and pushing coolant. Rod bearings are a bit worn - I've noticed a 2-3 PSI drop in idle oil pressure since I rebuilt. They'll be showing copper when I tear it down this spring.

Oh I want an AEM but I have better things to spend that money on. Like a better brake setup so I can track this thing next year

Chato · 12/28/2008, 04:17 PM

It would be nice to see your track numbers.

boostzealot · 12/28/2008, 05:38 PM

this is to all, and it is not to seem like im protecting or advocating some of Tj's antics but i will say he is quite misunderstood by about 98% of this community. and what makes it worse is that there are people here that can attest to being helped by him.

Repforenzo, i think you have great input and feedback in this issue and thank you for being understanding and level headed. see, what most dont understand is that Tj gets quite annoyed with the very same things as us but its just that he is more vocal in it and tends to be right in his arguments. there are times where he has what seems like less tact than myself or others but think about it, if you were being "belittled" by someone that you knew was less intelligent than you and less knowledgable on the subject, wouldnt you get a little perturbed? simply put, i think if more people where like the last four people to respond in this thread including myself, there would be less drama completely.

im just saying this as Tj's best friend and like you, repforenzo, with Greg, i have known Tj for quite some time and have seen the shit he has put up with and the lack of respect for bringing something to this community. hell he and i have done more things to and for this platform than some shops have done in a year. and thats on our limited budgets. but i can attest to the lack of just a pat on the back or a congradulations from this board from when i posted my dyno numbers in the 3.5 swap discussion. it was like no one had anything to say and it was sad and rather upsetting because i hadnt seen those numbers from anyone else who was N/A who could honestly vouch for why they made that type of power and power delivery. seriously. how can someone forget that?

RedGalant2k1 · 12/28/2008, 06:05 PM

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this is to all, and it is not to seem like im protecting or advocating some of Tj's antics but i will say he is quite misunderstood by about 98% of this community. and what makes it worse is that there are people here that can attest to being helped by him.

Repforenzo, i think you have great input and feedback in this issue and thank you for being understanding and level headed. see, what most dont understand is that Tj gets quite annoyed with the very same things as us but its just that he is more vocal in it and tends to be right in his arguments. there are times where he has what seems like less tact than myself or others but think about it, if you were being "belittled" by someone that you knew was less intelligent than you and less knowledgable on the subject, wouldnt you get a little perturbed? simply put, i think if more people where like the last four people to respond in this thread including myself, there would be less drama completely.

im just saying this as Tj's best friend and like you, repforenzo, with Greg, i have known Tj for quite some time and have seen the shit he has put up with and the lack of respect for bringing something to this community. hell he and i have done more things to and for this platform than some shops have done in a year. and thats on our limited budgets. but i can attest to the lack of just a pat on the back or a congradulations from this board from when i posted my dyno numbers in the 3.5 swap discussion. it was like no one had anything to say and it was sad and rather upsetting because i hadnt seen those numbers from anyone else who was N/A who could honestly vouch for why they made that type of power and power delivery. seriously. how can someone forget that?

There is a difference in being disagreeable but still respectful and being a douchebag and expecting everyone to follow the same drumbeat you do. However you and TJ want to promote that you have done all sorts of things that even shops haven't done (yeah right, not all shops post their projects on the internet). It is just condescending to think that just because you may have done or achieved numbers others here haven't that you automatically know more than they do. You don't.

Nor does it mean that you know more than anyone here. The truly knowledgeable don't have the time to peruse an internet website (save for a few) because their time is spent building, engineering, and testing cars. It is also rather condescending to think that since some drives a primarily stock engined vehicle that they don't know a) how to build an engine b) never have built an engine c) never have raced a car or d) don't know the functional mechanics of how engines and turbos work.

In the end it really doesn't matter what you achieve if you are constantly belittling people in the community you are quite obviously seeking attention or acceptance from (read: C3G). If you really don't care why even come back other than to be completely arrogant and post your 'achievements' here? A successful asshole is still just an asshole.

And that is besides the fact that he quite obviously (by his own statements) likes to play the asshole and jerk people around over the internet. That attitude is totally and completely worthless, and so is he.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 06:14 PM

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It would be nice to see your track numbers.

By track I mean road track, I go to the drag strip all the time. I don't care about my times at the strip or the track, it's simply a way to have fun and improve my driving skills (and to beat up on cars I shouldn't).

And Dave, STOP FUCKING STALKING ME. YOU DO NOT BELONG ON THIS FORUM. Go away. I will pay somebody right now to ban him. I'm not letting this sack of shit try to voice his opinion here like Ray did.

Dave, I don't think you saw how Ray repeatedly got banned for his bullshit in the forced induction forum... you're not wanted here because you know NOTHING of any worth to this part of Club3G and you're just here to cause shit. Go. Away.

edit: make that 3 Galant owners who are persistent enough to try to cause shit over here.

RedGalant2k1 · 12/28/2008, 06:27 PM

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By track I mean road track, I go to the drag strip all the time. I don't care about my times at the strip or the track, it's simply a way to have fun and improve my driving skills (and to beat up on cars I shouldn't).

And Dave, STOP FUCKING STALKING ME. YOU DO NOT BELONG ON THIS FORUM. Go away. I will pay somebody right now to ban him. I'm not letting this sack of shit try to voice his opinion here like Ray did.

Dave, I don't think you saw how Ray repeatedly got banned for his bullshit in the forced induction forum... you're not wanted here because you know NOTHING of any worth to this part of Club3G and you're just here to cause shit. Go. Away.

edit: make that 3 Galant owners who are persistent enough to try to cause shit over here.

I have the ability to be here just as much as you do, and you are just proving my point again that you will PAY someone to ban me from voicing my opinion (as others here in this thread have).

icemanrld19 · 12/28/2008, 06:27 PM

Man im a member on 4 forums and it seems like all 4 have alot of people arguing. WTF? Lets just chill out. Im amazed at the numbers and i wish i had the full out dedication that you had to go all out. Congrats man.

To all the haters out there even. Most of the people in this forum are my friends. Im not trying to be mean or take this how you want but if you dont have any educational input on the thread title or share any other valuable information then SHUT THE FUCK UP. Stop the damn bitching. Im finally witnessing some barriers being broken with the eclipse 3g. Over the past few months there has been some new and impressive numbers with the 4 cylinder and v6 engines. Congrats to everyone.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 06:30 PM

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I have the ability to be here just as much as you do, and you are just proving my point again that you will PAY someone to ban me from voicing my opinion (as others here in this thread have).

Nobody wants to hear your shit Dave. How long will it take you to realize this? Nobody wants to hear your conspiracy bullshit on TGC, nobody wants to hear your holier than thou bullshit anywhere, and nobody wants to hear your anti-me bullshit here. It's not relevant and all you EVER cause is conflict. I will PAY to prevent that. Fuck off.

RedGalant2k1 · 12/28/2008, 06:32 PM

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Man im a member on 4 forums and it seems like all 4 have alot of people arguing. WTF? Lets just chill out. Im amazed at the numbers and i wish i had the full out dedication that you had to go all out. Congrats man.

To all the haters out there even. Most of the people in this forum are my friends. Im not trying to be mean or take this how you want but if you dont have any educational input on the thread title or share any other valuable information then SHUT THE FUCK UP. Stop the damn bitching. Im finally witnessing some barriers being broken with the eclipse 3g. Over the past few months there has been some new and impressive numbers with the 4 cylinder and v6 engines. Congrats to everyone.

See the problem is that all the same stuff (and quite a bit more) has already been done to the 6G72. The engine has been around since the early 1980s, and has been modified since then. The 3kGT has already proved everything the 6G72 is capable of with stock cams, stock pistons, and completely modified race engines.

Sure some things have to be adapted to work on the version in the 3G Eclipse, but 500hp is not that big of an accomplishment, especially from someone totally vindictive and egotistical as the OP. Why and how do you think companies develop all the bolt on parts he has used? Do you not see how much he is just seeking for attention by even coming back to post here?

Tearstone · 12/28/2008, 06:35 PM

Settle down fellas, anymore flaming and I will ban you from this post on.

boostzealot · 12/28/2008, 06:37 PM

Dave, when you mention that someone is an asshole because of the way they either portray themselves or the way they type, it could be 1: you being a over sensitive pussy, 2: you misunderstanding them and they way it was worded, or 3: you having a vendetta against the said person and have no way or avenue in perceiving them as someone with something to contribute if the shit just stopped. Tj and i have conversed very many times about this very issue and how things could be solved and whats funny is that we came to the conclusion of if everyone was to mature a little things wouldnt be so bad. simply, he isnt asking you to kiss his ass and nor am i for things i have done. its something as simple as "thats really cool you did that" or "hey nice job". i guarantee you neither one of us would be condescending about words like that being tossed around. but instead we deal with the egotisical bullshit from select members who would be better off comparing whats in their pants with babies than competing with us on a verbal/written level. honestly, and you seeming to be somewhat educated, shouldnt you be one of the first to see that if things were left behind and a new curtain revealed a better now and future then we wouldnt be having these types of conversations? dont you see that the reason these conversations are still existing is because someone is always reverting back to beating up on Tj and even myself just for being his friend. hell you personally have seen how level headed i am, do you think i would be friends with Tj if he had no good side or some kind of humility and rationality? it just wouldnt make sense based on the logic of it all. i think there is too much going on here and the fact that everyone is trying to hold grudges makes it even worse. if there was a better solution to these matters other than limiting conversation between the said members then please someone speak up. and no asinine responses. really the best way to avoid this type of matter is to keep it wrapped up and keep it from being public. now, you want respect from someone right? so give at least that. that would be a start. Tj, you wouldnt mind the respect from the said members even if it was to just drop the issues at hand as the gesture? if not then you are being unreasonable and it shows no light to the situation. there is resolve to this and it means all of you being mature and being able to move on. i know you have for the most part Tj, but there is hardly any reason to retaliate against someone you feel doesnt deserve the attention.

RedGalant2k1 · 12/28/2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

Nobody wants to hear your shit Dave. How long will it take you to realize this? Nobody wants to hear your conspiracy bullshit on TGC, nobody wants to hear your holier than thou bullshit anywhere, and nobody wants to hear your anti-me bullshit here. It's not relevant and all you EVER cause is conflict. I will PAY to prevent that. Fuck off.

You were the one to threaten the illegitimate lawsuit on me remember? You need to check your own ego and holier than thou attitude. It is important for everyone to see how much of a fraud you actually are, and I'm happy to show them.

You seek approval from everything and everyone, but when someone doesn't like you, or what you have done you seek to get them banned from voicing an opinion. That is BS and you know it.

I'd vote this thread be moved to Off Topic and it be let go where it should have been posted to begin with.

Tearstone · 12/28/2008, 06:38 PM

Boostzealot, I'm going to venture you were typing that post the same time I posted.
RedGalant2k1, you reported this thread twice and you are still going on top of my warning, banned.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 06:40 PM

I've always posted helpful advice on Club3G Dave. I only argue with people here when they get up in arms about my own shit. Go away.

The 3000GT COMES as a turbocharged engine. It comes with intake and exhaust durations designed to support turbocharging. Their cylinder heads flow better than ours stock and are capable of so much more power. Valves are bigger, runners are bigger, I could go on and on. They have a stronger block with oil squirters designed to cool the cylinder walls and piston bosses. Every advantage the 3000GT has in respect to boost this platform lacks. You are WAY out of your league trying to argue anything technical here.

Bolt ons? Are you kidding me? 90% of the shit on my car I've had to modify in some way to make it work. That makes it NOT a bolt on. Whether it be welding, grinding, trial and error. Whatever. Most everything in my engine bay is NOT a bolt on and wasn't designed for use in my car. Even my turbo piping hotside kit is a 1-off that was modified a bit by Greg. And even that has needed some tweaks (i.e. welding, grinding, etc).

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 06:40 PM

Sorry Russ I had already typed that out. Thanks for intervening.

I'll edit out the personal retort toward Dave because I still had a valid technical point.

Chato · 12/28/2008, 07:17 PM

Damn, so much drama in this thread. Hey WarmAndSCSI, you should take the beast to the drag strip and set some new records.

PharmEcis · 12/28/2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

Even my turbo piping hotside kit is a 1-off that was modified a bit by Greg. And even that has needed some tweaks (i.e. welding, grinding, etc).

I never modified those in any way other than tacking up some leaks.

WarmAndSCSI · 12/28/2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PharmEcis

I never modified those in any way other than tacking up some leaks.

My bad then... that's some pretty heavy welding just for some leaks. Looks like the whole merge to the T03 flange had been re-done. I would assume it's modified because I've seen the Xtech kit before on a Galant and the turbo flange comes a lot closer to the radiator than mine ever did. Oh well.

And our tracks are closed in the Winter Chato... I'm not a big drag racer. I'm not into breaking driveline components just to feebly attempt to launch a FWD car. It's much more suited to everything but drag racing. That said I will hit the track again but I'm for sure taking the launching easy. Last I went was earlier this year running N/A.

JVP · 01/01/2009, 06:29 PM

I just have to say you guys and gals are alright. lol. Bullshits on every forum I have found no clear means of escape. Its also one of the reasons I decided to stop.Some people know engines and nothing about body work. Some people are body guys and do not know anything about engines.
Besides teaching myself, help from others experienced forums have helped me a ton by gaining knowledge from people that where in fact more knowledgeable then most of the group whether they where nice or assholes about it. Thats the beauty of it.
Putting all the bullshit aside your helping the new people who know nothing about body work, engines, suspension, etc learn. In all actuality I love the different opinions, not that they spark flame threads, arguments per say but the fact nobody is set on one thing and that there's a few different ways of doing things.
Your basically teaching someone who knows nothing about this stuff something. Which is awesome and I for one appreciate all the information people have added over the years. Ive been reading a ton of threads over the past few weeks and sometimes I wonder where the time goes. Per example me. I know almost absolutely nothing about engines maybe a bit more then the average person. Ive done engine swaps, can perform all the basics replacements on the car etc. I do however know a ton about body work, suspensions, car stereo's, and fiberglassing. So maybe while I am here and as I gain knowledge about improving wheel power for my engine or anything else about them I can give back by helping someone out with any of the skills I know. Even though possibly nobody can help me with the skills I already know.

I do however appreciate all the work you put in. Doing all that yourself puts for a better appreciation and love for the car. Honestly it would be pretty fucking sweet to be rolling around in a 500 horsepower galant. Heck if when I attempt my build id be just happy to get 300-350.. id be pretty damn gitty.

Keep up the good work!

Greg6G724789 · 01/04/2009, 02:56 PM

great build i am very impressed, best of luck with the rest of the mods

WarmAndSCSI · 01/25/2009, 10:04 PM

Well this shitty-ass turbo piping is still performing well. 531 WHP, stock cams, 2.5" DP. Somebody remind me again why it was thought that the limit of the stock cams was just under 400 WHP? I even agreed with this at the time based upon what I saw with my RIPP setup.

Here is the graph:

If you want more info on my setup, it's probably best to look here: Mitsubishi Powered.com • Turbo V6 Galant - GT35R, Fully Built : Projects

boostzealot · 01/25/2009, 10:22 PM

and there better not be any flamers. this is some pretty significant shit. great job Tj

repforenzo · 01/26/2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by boostzealot

and there better not be any flamers. this is some pretty significant shit. great job Tj

Are you kidding me? You kept saying that people should not bring in 'drama' into forum discussions, yet you keep doing it. Let it go.

TJ, that is nice work. The only comment I can make is: with the properly picked cams, your hp/torque curve potentially could be stupid sick.

Danielv2008 · 01/26/2009, 12:06 AM

Wow great job! 531 WHP!

impressive!

clipse2004 · 01/26/2009, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by repforenzo

Are you kidding me? You kept saying that people should not bring in 'drama' into forum discussions, yet you keep doing. Let it go.

TJ, that is nice work. The only comment I can make is: with the properly picked cams, your hp/torque curve potentially could be stupid sick.

You should contact RPW, get some cams and cam gears for about $850 shipped.

MattS00 · 01/26/2009, 12:27 AM

Holy shat. Are you still feeling the power bug?

WarmAndSCSI · 01/26/2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by clipse2004

You should contact RPW, get some cams and cam gears for about $850 shipped.

Thanks... I've known about RPW since basically the day I started modding on this platform. I've had my camshafts picked out for over a year now LOL.

See the problem already is I'm pretty close to maxing out this GT35R given my PR. Once I find another turbo to use or a good time to have 2 weeks of downtime on the car, I'll send this GT35R to FP so they can upgrade it with their HTA86 wheel and cover. That will leave with me a turbo that can flow 75 lb/min.

clipse2004 · 01/26/2009, 12:30 AM

How long do you think the engine will take this much boost or more if you throw more at it? Is it like a test you are doing? What about head gaskets, I choose to go with the VR4 head gaskets on my build a few weeks ago. I hope they perform better then stock!

boostzealot · 01/26/2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by repforenzo

Are you kidding me? You kept saying that people should not bring in 'drama' into forum discussions, yet you keep doing it. Let it go.

TJ, that is nice work. The only comment I can make is: with the properly picked cams, your hp/torque curve potentially could be stupid sick.

no no no bro, i hope i didnt rub anyone the wrong way. im not going to thread jack, im just going to explain, the thing between greg and i is done. i just dont want anyone here drowning out this achievement of Tj's with any flaming, like from Ray or any other haters personally of Tj. not mine. thats all im trying to say bro. im just massively proud of Tj and i hope that the rest of this community can be as well.

WarmAndSCSI · 01/26/2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by repforenzo

Are you kidding me? You kept saying that people should not bring in 'drama' into forum discussions, yet you keep doing it. Let it go.

He's right. The drama will show up regardless. As we speak a bunch of morons are bickering on another forum concerning this latest dyno sheet

On a positive note, the people who started the bullshit on C3G won't post in the FI forums any more because they know they'll get banned.

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Originally Posted by fasteclipse00

Holy shat. Are you still feeling the power bug?

Yeah. I'll be maxing the HTA86 once I get it. That's 800+ WHP. I'll keep the current power level for the street. It already burns all the way through 4th without diligent throttle control.

Danielv2008 · 01/26/2009, 12:42 AM

TJ get a picture of a 1/4 mile slip up ASAP!

WarmAndSCSI · 01/26/2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by clipse2004

How long do you think the engine will take this much boost or more if you throw more at it? Is it like a test you are doing? What about head gaskets, I choose to go with the VR4 head gaskets on my build a few weeks ago. I hope they perform better then stock!

Indefinitely. I did melt a piston the other week (oh, here come the haters), but it's the strangest failure I've ever seen. Literally a hole through the top ring land, 2nd ring land, AND the skirt. A big hole too. More than enough to have dropped that cylinder to 0 PSI compression. No detonation at ALL nor any signs of it, must have been pre-ignition or maybe this piston design really does suck.

This engine is built the same as many VR-4 engines putting down 700-800 WHP. I expect it to handle the same so long as I am vigilant about leak-down testing it and tearing it down periodically to check on things. It's minor flaws and imbalances that will kill an engine at that power level. V6's are already tricky enough as-is to get running smoothly.

The VR-4 head gaskets are leaps and bounds better than stock. There's a whole thread on here dedicated to them. The stock head gaskets are thin, made of crappy material, and the only embossing they have is a thick layer of Viton (IIRC). They are garbage. That said, I never actually blew a stock head gasket.

And 20 PSI is nothing. I was running 25 PSI on my RIPP setup for months on a really quite shitty engine.

WarmAndSCSI · 01/26/2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Danielv2008

TJ get a picture of a 1/4 mile slip up ASAP!

I will if I drive to Vegas for my bday and run there or as soon as our drag strips open in late spring. It's snowing here at present.

clipse2004 · 01/26/2009, 12:49 AM

What city are you located in TJ?

WarmAndSCSI · 01/26/2009, 12:52 AM

Salt Lake City, UT

It used to say it over there <---- but I removed it because of the fucking stalkers.

repforenzo · 01/26/2009, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by boostzealot

no no no bro, i hope i didnt rub anyone the wrong way. im not going to thread jack, im just going to explain, the thing between greg and i is done. i just dont want anyone here drowning out this achievement of Tj's with any flaming, like from Ray or any other haters personally of Tj. not mine. thats all im trying to say bro. im just massively proud of Tj and i hope that the rest of this community can be as well.

Ok then.

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

A big hole too. More than enough to have dropped that cylinder to 0 PSI compression. No detonation at ALL nor any signs of it, must have been pre-ignition or maybe this piston design really does suck.

Are you referring to your CP 8.8:1 pistons?

raz_76 · 01/26/2009, 12:55 AM

Good job Tim, hope you learned from past builds and keep that pumpkin going.

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WarmAndSCSI · 01/26/2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by repforenzo

Are you referring your CP 8.8:1 pistons.

Indeed. Have you ever compared one to a VR-4 Ross or Wiseco piston? Top ring land = fail.

repforenzo · 01/26/2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

Indeed. Have you ever compared one to a VR-4 Ross or Wiseco piston? Top ring land = fail.

No, can say I have. Interesting because I thought CP was the overall anointed forged piston for the 3g.

WarmAndSCSI · 01/26/2009, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by repforenzo

No, can say I have. Interesting because I thought CP was the overall anointed forged piston for the 3g.

CP Pistons are great. The design they made for the 3G is NOT. The top ring land is too thin and weak. Once I get these Ross pistons for this other build I'm working on back from my machinist, I'll take a comparison photo.

And nobody has tested the limits of the CP pistons at all have they? If I blow another one given a conservative AFR tune and under no detonation, I'll definitely be switching to another piston design. Probably Ross, 0.055" over.

Tx4Codeman · 01/26/2009, 01:18 AM

Holy hell those are nice numbers :]

boostzealot · 01/26/2009, 01:26 AM

Tj, i wish you had a pic of the Ross pistons that Dan got before they went to the machinist. hmm maybe when they come back you could. or if you had some free time go down there and take a quick pic. i still think CP needs to be contacted about that one particular piston. it could be beneficial for them to know that their pistons are capable of producing that kind of failure.

12/27/2008, 10:58 AM	#61 (permalink)
PharmEcis Resident Asshole Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2g stratus 2g eclipse Posts: 4,699	I am telling you again, a 3" downpipe is not required to make that kind of power. A 2.5" DP flows just fine, the only thing that is affected is spool up. Do not install a 3" DP and magically assume your power numbers are going to go up. In all honesty, I think the issue w/ your setup is your turbo. __________________ 01 Stratus R/T Turbo www.2gstratus.org www.ucsperformance.com 240.271.0280 2007 NASA TTR National Champions! 2008 Redline Time Attack Summit Point Unlimited FWD 3rd Place! FIRST PNP AEM EMS! FIRST 3.8L 6G75 MIVEC SWAP IN THE WORLD! I sell custom turbo kits for the 3G. If you are serious about a turbo kit, call the number above.

12/27/2008, 10:53 PM	#69 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	Uh... you should take a look back at the head porting & polishing thread I created. I see Greg, for example, constantly trying to correct and belittle people here, whether he be right or wrong, just to defend his "turf." To defend this respect he has earned for... well, quite frankly, I feel like nothing. What tangible accomplishments has he made with this platform? I sure as fuck am not paying him over a grand for some manifolds I could fab up at cost. Same as I would never pay $500 over MSRP for an Evo EMS with a patch harness... I just hate this attitude and that I've never seen this particular person actually demonstrate any kind of respect for what other people have done and are capable of doing... shit I read something to the effect of "I'm the only person with the money, resources, and knowledge to do an AWD swap on this platform." Quite possible one of the most arrogant things I've read on this forum. I know you and Greg are buddies or whatever, but at least you have the capability of showing some humility. He just pisses me off and so does the general lack of interest among members of this community. __________________ 530 WHP Turbo V6 Galant GT35R \| Fully built block \| P&P heads \| Manual swap

12/28/2008, 01:34 AM	#71 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	I find it quite disturbing that people have been e-stalking me... who really has the time to take interest in somebody they supposedly despise? No friends? No family? No hobbies? See that's the bullshit that ruins Internet forums. The drama. People do not know how to admit they're wrong when they are and would rather cause a big fuss than just being mature about it. I mean for fuck's sake there is an image on the C3G homepage that is the TNT logo "We Know Drama." It's kind of difficult to actually WANT to be part of such a community. Seriously, I was telling Russ before that I wasn't going to come back to C3G because it's a waste of my time. And it really is. There's absolutely no benefit in it for me unless I can actually see that what I share makes a difference. And that's nigh impossible when the most popular activity when you're having an online discussion is dick-waving. I don't need to prove anything. Anybody who is not impressed that I've built and tuned this all myself - EVERYTHING - is, putting it blunt, an idiot. Respect isn't earned online how it is in real life. I've been around Internet forums more than long enough to know that. It's why I choose to behave how I do online. The nice, helpful guy always gets pushed aside online. So why be him? The game is to be the biggest asshole you can be. We all know that. Absurd as it may be, that's how it is. __________________ 530 WHP Turbo V6 Galant GT35R \| Fully built block \| P&P heads \| Manual swap

12/28/2008, 02:32 AM	#73 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	I ask very few questions ever. But when I do, nobody has any answers. A few years ago when I asked questions on here and got no useful response it made me feel like nobody on here knew what the fuck they were talking about. And for the most part that is true. At least for the kinds of questions I'm going to bring to the table. And then to come back here to announce my success. Do you think I feel any obligation to give back to Club3G? Do you think I feel as though this community really helped me accomplish anything? No, I really don't. Wish I could, and I wish I could feel that way about any particular car community, but I don't. That's why I don't understand how the expectation could be for me to respect Club3G even though this place has done very little for me personally other than to serve as a vessel for people to sling shit at me. You know I'd donate to this site and help make it a better place but I'm not going to. Doesn't mean I don't want to contribute, but I'd rather be putting effort into building my own Mitsubishi community that will be everything that Club3G isn't. I mean you'll see me put down way over 500 WHP within a week or so (if I get my damn injectors) and I really doubt many people will even understand the significance of that. __________________ 530 WHP Turbo V6 Galant GT35R \| Fully built block \| P&P heads \| Manual swap

12/28/2008, 03:57 AM	#77 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	Well what always astounds me is how people who have never even touched forced induction or engine internals before think they have the right to criticize. And it's easy to ignore in a large sense but the whole e-stalking thing is going too far. I'm mainly referring to 2 Galant owners who will most definitely read this and feel as though they have something to gain by bashing me. But guess what fuckers, you don't. (these are owners of stock-engined Galants, go figure) But this sucker is already built. I'm running out of things to do on it. I already know my engine will need a refresh before next race season. No big deal, I don't mind changing out rod bearings and a set of pistons. I do it all the time. That's part of what astounds me so. People honestly don't understand what is involved when "blowing up" an engine. For me it has been EMI interference or spun rod bearings caused by poor machining (never assembly error as I found during the autopsies). Anybody who knows a lot about 6G72's knows they love to spin rod bearings prematurely. There's simply not enough bearing surface area there. I wish Mitsu would have fixed this in newer versions of the 6G72, but they didn't. If you've ever torn apart both a 6G72 and 6G74 before, you'll know how much better the 6G74 is in this regard. The mains are larger as well as the rod pins. SOOOO much better from a durability standpoint. For this, I wish I had built a 6G74, but there were no strong forged rods available for it at the time. All it takes is one rod big end being 1 thou out of round to cause a rod bearing to spin prematurely. I finally invested in a digital bore gauge so I check all of that stuff now before assembly, but all-in-all it's been screw-ups of my previous machine shops that have caused any bearing-related failures. And EMI issues are fun. Especially EMI that affects my E-Manage but not the stock ECU. So when you get spark blow-out, you not only get a misfire, but you also get a nasty fuel cut as well because the E-Manage suddenly thinks boost and RPM input has been cut in half. THAT sucks, and finally catching it on a data log was quite a "doh!" moment. So I went back to some Magnecor wires and added a high-quality grounding kit. Fixed. Could have saved me SEVERAL engine rebuilds if I had caught that sooner. But all-in-all it's definitely upon people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to engines and tuning to judge that I don't know what I'm doing Oh and Greg... do you honestly think I'd gain magical power by switching to an EMS when I'm already making 488 and 504 lb-ft @ 17 PSI? Like I've said before, ignition timing is ignition timing, fuel injection is fuel injection. There's nothing wrong with what the stock ECU does. __________________ 530 WHP Turbo V6 Galant GT35R \| Fully built block \| P&P heads \| Manual swap

12/27/2008, 01:13 PM	#66 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	Dude I've read your thread and it's clear that your tuning shop gave you the impression that the 2.5" DP is holding you back, and you're quite convinced they're right. This is no offense to you, but you've got at least 150 WHP to gain to match how a proper turbo setup on this platform can perform at 16-17 PSI. Your tuner is at fault. I by no means have an aggressive tune on the car - I'm running 17-20 degrees advance @ 17 PSI with no significant knock. 11.9-12.2 AFR at peak torque, and 11.8-11.5 from there to red line. There is tons of potential on the 6G72 at boost levels below 20 PSI. Once I get my 880 cc/min injectors in, I'm putting this built lower end (I didn't set my ring end gaps to be larger than my spark plug gaps for no reason) and turbocharger to use. I suspect I'll easily break 550 WHP at 24 PSI and I'll break 600 if I really push the turbo up to 30+ PSI. The stock cams aren't a restriction per se, they just produce an undesirable torque curve up top. I made 488 to the wheels on them at fairly low boost. People have thrown around the figure of "no more than 400 WHP" before in reference to the stock cams... and that seems to hold true. I've never seen a dyno sheet above 380-something WHP before. That is, until I actually got a proper setup on my car. And Greg... are you going to say that I did a poor job porting and polishing my heads now? I swear to God you people will criticize anything.

12/27/2008, 10:15 PM	#67 (permalink)
icemanrld19 stupid booster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: claysburg, camden, martinsburg, bridgeport, addison/dallas. Vehicle: Single snailed spyder Posts: 7,065	congrats. I love everything man

12/28/2008, 02:22 AM	#72 (permalink)
repforenzo Stage 1 SDS @10 psi! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Crofton, Md. Vehicle: 2003 GTS 5sp. Posts: 2,277	I'm starting to understand you a bit more now. You have a predisposition. Unfortunately, that makes it harder for those of us who are sincere to communicate with you. The e-stalking is not cool, I'm sorry to hear that crap is going on. However, you don't have to become "...the biggest asshole you can be.". I've always tried to communicate on the forums as if the person was standing in front of me. I think if more people bought into that philosophy, the forums would be more respectful. Plus the added bonus is most people do respond positively when they feel you are giving them respect. You may want to consider how and why people are reacting the way they are to you. What you share makes a difference. It is how you share it. I still find the forums enjoyable. Seeing what people are able to do to this difficult, and mostly unsupported platform is amazing. I'm hoping you'll stick around, but that is up to you. If you don't enjoy it then move on to something that is more fulfilling.

12/28/2008, 02:52 AM	#74 (permalink)
repforenzo Stage 1 SDS @10 psi! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Crofton, Md. Vehicle: 2003 GTS 5sp. Posts: 2,277	I hear you on that. At the same time the types of questions you maybe asking are very progressive. So you are ahead of the curve in that regard. As I said before, many of the old guard has moved on (Rulez, ryu, Russ to a certain degree, etc.), so you are not going to find to many who can give you advice that may be useful to your build. It is a bit of a shame, but it happens. People are going to look to you for answers rather then visa versa. At the same time, I do see more members getting involve with this platform and we'll see what happens in the future. One thing I've got to criticize you for is 'tooting' your own horn. It is remarkable what you've accomplished and what you may have in store down the road. We do recognize that. But you've been using that as leverage more than once. It is a turn off.

12/28/2008, 02:32 PM	#79 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	Yeah my top rings are pinched and the top ring lands are a little pitted on the intake side. It was bad enough that I had to have the heads welded and milled. A huge part of that was my blown Cometic gaskets - sucking and pushing coolant. Rod bearings are a bit worn - I've noticed a 2-3 PSI drop in idle oil pressure since I rebuilt. They'll be showing copper when I tear it down this spring. Oh I want an AEM but I have better things to spend that money on. Like a better brake setup so I can track this thing next year __________________ 530 WHP Turbo V6 Galant GT35R \| Fully built block \| P&P heads \| Manual swap

12/28/2008, 04:17 PM	#80 (permalink)
Chato Turbo/Haltech V6 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ft. Walton Beach, FL Vehicle: 00 Eclipse GT-T Posts: 1,613	It would be nice to see your track numbers. __________________ Rudeness is a weak person's imitation of strength.

12/28/2008, 05:38 PM	#81 (permalink)
boostzealot makin territories Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: hill afb, ut Vehicle: 5spd 6g74 powered galant Posts: 800	this is to all, and it is not to seem like im protecting or advocating some of Tj's antics but i will say he is quite misunderstood by about 98% of this community. and what makes it worse is that there are people here that can attest to being helped by him. Repforenzo, i think you have great input and feedback in this issue and thank you for being understanding and level headed. see, what most dont understand is that Tj gets quite annoyed with the very same things as us but its just that he is more vocal in it and tends to be right in his arguments. there are times where he has what seems like less tact than myself or others but think about it, if you were being "belittled" by someone that you knew was less intelligent than you and less knowledgable on the subject, wouldnt you get a little perturbed? simply put, i think if more people where like the last four people to respond in this thread including myself, there would be less drama completely. im just saying this as Tj's best friend and like you, repforenzo, with Greg, i have known Tj for quite some time and have seen the shit he has put up with and the lack of respect for bringing something to this community. hell he and i have done more things to and for this platform than some shops have done in a year. and thats on our limited budgets. but i can attest to the lack of just a pat on the back or a congradulations from this board from when i posted my dyno numbers in the 3.5 swap discussion. it was like no one had anything to say and it was sad and rather upsetting because i hadnt seen those numbers from anyone else who was N/A who could honestly vouch for why they made that type of power and power delivery. seriously. how can someone forget that? __________________

12/28/2008, 06:27 PM	#85 (permalink)
icemanrld19 stupid booster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: claysburg, camden, martinsburg, bridgeport, addison/dallas. Vehicle: Single snailed spyder Posts: 7,065	Man im a member on 4 forums and it seems like all 4 have alot of people arguing. WTF? Lets just chill out. Im amazed at the numbers and i wish i had the full out dedication that you had to go all out. Congrats man. To all the haters out there even. Most of the people in this forum are my friends. Im not trying to be mean or take this how you want but if you dont have any educational input on the thread title or share any other valuable information then SHUT THE FUCK UP. Stop the damn bitching. Im finally witnessing some barriers being broken with the eclipse 3g. Over the past few months there has been some new and impressive numbers with the 4 cylinder and v6 engines. Congrats to everyone.

12/28/2008, 06:35 PM	#88 (permalink)
Tearstone Tango Sucka! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 02 EclipseGT 91 MR2 Turbo Posts: 16,259	Settle down fellas, anymore flaming and I will ban you from this post on. __________________ Russ Sanderlin - Twitter - Facebook - Blog Mitsubishi Eclipse - Generation Gap Eclipse Tech - New 5G Eclipse - 2006+ Eclipse Forums - Mitsubishi Mid Atlantic - Mitsubishi Florida

12/28/2008, 06:37 PM	#89 (permalink)
boostzealot makin territories Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: hill afb, ut Vehicle: 5spd 6g74 powered galant Posts: 800	Dave, when you mention that someone is an asshole because of the way they either portray themselves or the way they type, it could be 1: you being a over sensitive pussy, 2: you misunderstanding them and they way it was worded, or 3: you having a vendetta against the said person and have no way or avenue in perceiving them as someone with something to contribute if the shit just stopped. Tj and i have conversed very many times about this very issue and how things could be solved and whats funny is that we came to the conclusion of if everyone was to mature a little things wouldnt be so bad. simply, he isnt asking you to kiss his ass and nor am i for things i have done. its something as simple as "thats really cool you did that" or "hey nice job". i guarantee you neither one of us would be condescending about words like that being tossed around. but instead we deal with the egotisical bullshit from select members who would be better off comparing whats in their pants with babies than competing with us on a verbal/written level. honestly, and you seeming to be somewhat educated, shouldnt you be one of the first to see that if things were left behind and a new curtain revealed a better now and future then we wouldnt be having these types of conversations? dont you see that the reason these conversations are still existing is because someone is always reverting back to beating up on Tj and even myself just for being his friend. hell you personally have seen how level headed i am, do you think i would be friends with Tj if he had no good side or some kind of humility and rationality? it just wouldnt make sense based on the logic of it all. i think there is too much going on here and the fact that everyone is trying to hold grudges makes it even worse. if there was a better solution to these matters other than limiting conversation between the said members then please someone speak up. and no asinine responses. really the best way to avoid this type of matter is to keep it wrapped up and keep it from being public. now, you want respect from someone right? so give at least that. that would be a start. Tj, you wouldnt mind the respect from the said members even if it was to just drop the issues at hand as the gesture? if not then you are being unreasonable and it shows no light to the situation. there is resolve to this and it means all of you being mature and being able to move on. i know you have for the most part Tj, but there is hardly any reason to retaliate against someone you feel doesnt deserve the attention. __________________

12/28/2008, 06:38 PM	#91 (permalink)
Tearstone Tango Sucka! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Vehicle: 02 EclipseGT 91 MR2 Turbo Posts: 16,259	Boostzealot, I'm going to venture you were typing that post the same time I posted. RedGalant2k1, you reported this thread twice and you are still going on top of my warning, banned. __________________ Russ Sanderlin - Twitter - Facebook - Blog Mitsubishi Eclipse - Generation Gap Eclipse Tech - New 5G Eclipse - 2006+ Eclipse Forums - Mitsubishi Mid Atlantic - Mitsubishi Florida

12/28/2008, 06:40 PM	#92 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	I've always posted helpful advice on Club3G Dave. I only argue with people here when they get up in arms about my own shit. Go away. The 3000GT COMES as a turbocharged engine. It comes with intake and exhaust durations designed to support turbocharging. Their cylinder heads flow better than ours stock and are capable of so much more power. Valves are bigger, runners are bigger, I could go on and on. They have a stronger block with oil squirters designed to cool the cylinder walls and piston bosses. Every advantage the 3000GT has in respect to boost this platform lacks. You are WAY out of your league trying to argue anything technical here. Bolt ons? Are you kidding me? 90% of the shit on my car I've had to modify in some way to make it work. That makes it NOT a bolt on. Whether it be welding, grinding, trial and error. Whatever. Most everything in my engine bay is NOT a bolt on and wasn't designed for use in my car. Even my turbo piping hotside kit is a 1-off that was modified a bit by Greg. And even that has needed some tweaks (i.e. welding, grinding, etc). __________________ 530 WHP Turbo V6 Galant GT35R \| Fully built block \| P&P heads \| Manual swap Last edited by WarmAndSCSI; 12/28/2008 at 06:43 PM.

12/28/2008, 06:40 PM	#93 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	Sorry Russ I had already typed that out. Thanks for intervening. I'll edit out the personal retort toward Dave because I still had a valid technical point. __________________ 530 WHP Turbo V6 Galant GT35R \| Fully built block \| P&P heads \| Manual swap

12/28/2008, 07:17 PM	#94 (permalink)
Chato Turbo/Haltech V6 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ft. Walton Beach, FL Vehicle: 00 Eclipse GT-T Posts: 1,613	Damn, so much drama in this thread. Hey WarmAndSCSI, you should take the beast to the drag strip and set some new records. __________________ Rudeness is a weak person's imitation of strength.

01/01/2009, 06:29 PM	#97 (permalink)
JVP JVP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: grand rapids, mi Vehicle: 2004 stratus r/t Posts: 290	I just have to say you guys and gals are alright. lol. Bullshits on every forum I have found no clear means of escape. Its also one of the reasons I decided to stop.Some people know engines and nothing about body work. Some people are body guys and do not know anything about engines. Besides teaching myself, help from others experienced forums have helped me a ton by gaining knowledge from people that where in fact more knowledgeable then most of the group whether they where nice or assholes about it. Thats the beauty of it. Putting all the bullshit aside your helping the new people who know nothing about body work, engines, suspension, etc learn. In all actuality I love the different opinions, not that they spark flame threads, arguments per say but the fact nobody is set on one thing and that there's a few different ways of doing things. Your basically teaching someone who knows nothing about this stuff something. Which is awesome and I for one appreciate all the information people have added over the years. Ive been reading a ton of threads over the past few weeks and sometimes I wonder where the time goes. Per example me. I know almost absolutely nothing about engines maybe a bit more then the average person. Ive done engine swaps, can perform all the basics replacements on the car etc. I do however know a ton about body work, suspensions, car stereo's, and fiberglassing. So maybe while I am here and as I gain knowledge about improving wheel power for my engine or anything else about them I can give back by helping someone out with any of the skills I know. Even though possibly nobody can help me with the skills I already know. I do however appreciate all the work you put in. Doing all that yourself puts for a better appreciation and love for the car. Honestly it would be pretty fucking sweet to be rolling around in a 500 horsepower galant. Heck if when I attempt my build id be just happy to get 300-350.. id be pretty damn gitty. Keep up the good work!

01/04/2009, 02:56 PM	#98 (permalink)
Greg6G724789 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Allentown PA Vehicle: 2000 Eclipse GT Posts: 14	great build i am very impressed, best of luck with the rest of the mods

01/25/2009, 10:04 PM	#99 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	Well this shitty-ass turbo piping is still performing well. 531 WHP, stock cams, 2.5" DP. Somebody remind me again why it was thought that the limit of the stock cams was just under 400 WHP? I even agreed with this at the time based upon what I saw with my RIPP setup. Here is the graph: If you want more info on my setup, it's probably best to look here: Mitsubishi Powered.com • Turbo V6 Galant - GT35R, Fully Built : Projects __________________ 530 WHP Turbo V6 Galant GT35R \| Fully built block \| P&P heads \| Manual swap

01/25/2009, 10:22 PM	#100 (permalink)
boostzealot makin territories Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: hill afb, ut Vehicle: 5spd 6g74 powered galant Posts: 800	and there better not be any flamers. this is some pretty significant shit. great job Tj __________________

01/26/2009, 12:06 AM	#102 (permalink)
Danielv2008 Cocknozzle Cocknozzle Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spokane WA Vehicle: 92 Civic EX VTEC, 00 GT Posts: 1,020	Wow great job! 531 WHP! impressive!

01/26/2009, 12:27 AM	#104 (permalink)
MattS00 New daddy Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Illinois Vehicle: 2000 Northstar White GT Posts: 3,337	Holy shat. Are you still feeling the power bug?

01/26/2009, 12:30 AM	#106 (permalink)
clipse2004 Suspended Seller Join Date: Jan 2009 Vehicle: 2004 3G GT Posts: 161	How long do you think the engine will take this much boost or more if you throw more at it? Is it like a test you are doing? What about head gaskets, I choose to go with the VR4 head gaskets on my build a few weeks ago. I hope they perform better then stock!

01/26/2009, 12:42 AM	#109 (permalink)
Danielv2008 Cocknozzle Cocknozzle Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spokane WA Vehicle: 92 Civic EX VTEC, 00 GT Posts: 1,020	TJ get a picture of a 1/4 mile slip up ASAP!

01/26/2009, 12:49 AM	#112 (permalink)
clipse2004 Suspended Seller Join Date: Jan 2009 Vehicle: 2004 3G GT Posts: 161	What city are you located in TJ?

01/26/2009, 12:52 AM	#113 (permalink)
WarmAndSCSI My snail is bigger! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SLC, UT Vehicle: turbo V6 Galant Posts: 1,105	Salt Lake City, UT It used to say it over there <---- but I removed it because of the fucking stalkers. __________________ 530 WHP Turbo V6 Galant GT35R \| Fully built block \| P&P heads \| Manual swap

01/26/2009, 12:55 AM	#115 (permalink)
raz_76 5-0 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: -OKC- Vehicle: Maxima SE 6spd Manual Posts: 3,566	Good job Tim, hope you learned from past builds and keep that pumpkin going. Last edited by raz_76; 01/26/2009 at 09:32 AM.

01/26/2009, 01:18 AM	#119 (permalink)
Tx4Codeman Legendary Member Simon Champion! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Orlando Vehicle: 3.5L SDS 03GT Posts: 4,025	Holy hell those are nice numbers :] __________________ http://www.club3g.com/forum/members-...-03-3g-gt.html

01/26/2009, 01:26 AM	#120 (permalink)
boostzealot makin territories Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: hill afb, ut Vehicle: 5spd 6g74 powered galant Posts: 800	Tj, i wish you had a pic of the Ross pistons that Dan got before they went to the machinist. hmm maybe when they come back you could. or if you had some free time go down there and take a quick pic. i still think CP needs to be contacted about that one particular piston. it could be beneficial for them to know that their pistons are capable of producing that kind of failure. __________________