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executive · 11/17/2006, 10:58 PM

What turbo would you need to do that with. One thing thats been holding me up on just going ahead and bossting my car is the install time. But if what they claim is true, 8 or soo hours doesnt seem soo bad. I'm sure someone could built their own kit cheaper though.

repforenzo · 11/17/2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by executive

What turbo would you need to do that with. One thing thats been holding me up on just going ahead and bossting my car is the install time. But if what they claim is true, 8 or soo hours doesnt seem soo bad. I'm sure someone could built their own kit cheaper though.

I don't think is anyway of having a speedy install for any FI app. There are so many other components to it: adding gauges, adding electronics, changing plugs, upgrading the clutch & brakes, upgrading engine internals, and then tuning. I question a lot of these install times... I'm sure the makers don't calculate the fact that most of us are on our backs and don't have lifts... This system seems it would take less time, though.

Personally, I can understand not wanting to have long down-time, but if you are going to FI a car not designed for it, then things need be be checked over and over.

executive · 11/17/2006, 11:59 PM

Just the install of the turbo itselft is what I'm curious about, the other stuff I can handle.

phalse · 11/17/2006, 11:59 PM

you idiots are missing out on how i never said anything about the 6cyl. you just presume that my commentary is aimed your way just cuz this thread is in the 6cyl section. now are you guys done yet? jesus you guys can be lame sometimes.

concerning the filter, yeah thats the problem. and you can do this or that to make sure moisture/suspension travel isnt a problem but would that be trading one problem for another? in a normal turbo kit, you dont have to worry about those things =D i dunno, something tells me only in specific cases/for certain cars would this really be the way to go. its like i said earlier, most of the money for half the hardware. what theyre really selling, imho, is the concept of convenience. no turbo kit for yer car? no problemo! install our leet STS kit.. it lets you use the turbo for a muffler!#$

callmeebryan · 11/18/2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by phalse

you idiots are missing out on how i never said anything about the 6cyl. you just presume that my commentary is aimed your way just cuz this thread is in the 6cyl section. now are you guys done yet? jesus you guys can be lame sometimes.

concerning the filter, yeah thats the problem. and you can do this or that to make sure moisture/suspension travel isnt a problem but would that be trading one problem for another? in a normal turbo kit, you dont have to worry about those things =D i dunno, something tells me only in specific cases/for certain cars would this really be the way to go. its like i said earlier, most of the money for half the hardware. what theyre really selling, imho, is the concept of convenience. no turbo kit for yer car? no problemo! install our leet STS kit.. it lets you use the turbo for a muffler!#$

Is it getting hot down there? Close to china yet?

repforenzo · 11/18/2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by phalse

you idiots are missing out on how i never said anything about the 6cyl. you just presume that my commentary is aimed your way just cuz this thread is in the 6cyl section. now are you guys done yet? jesus you guys can be lame sometimes.

Can you just get off it? Bash 'em on the OT forum, if need be. Let's keep this topic on the STS before Russ shuts us down.

Tearstone · 11/18/2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by phalse

you idiots are missing out on how i never said anything about the 6cyl. you just presume that my commentary is aimed your way just cuz this thread is in the 6cyl section. now are you guys done yet? jesus you guys can be lame sometimes.

Please cease flaming in this forum, leave it to OT. Anymore posts like this from you will simply be deleted.

repforenzo · 11/18/2006, 11:48 AM

The one thing that is intriguing me about this system, that no one has mentioned, is that it would be the ideal setup for Super and Turbo charging at the same time.

With my SDS setup, adding the STS would not be that difficult.

WanderingPinoy · 11/18/2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by repforenzo

The one thing that is intriguing me about this system, that no one has mentioned, is that it would be the ideal setup for Super and Turbo charging at the same time.

With my SDS setup, adding the STS would not be that difficult.

Interesting point - plus this would be the only valid time someone said that they have headers with their turbo.

PharmEcis · 11/18/2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WanderingPinoy

Interesting point - plus this would be the only valid time someone said that they have headers with their turbo.

executive · 11/18/2006, 04:01 PM

It seems to be an all around cheaper method of boosting once you have a engine that will handle it. Even with the cost of the piping I'm sure it would in way cost more than buying an intercooler and turbo manifold. Maybe I'm wrong or missing something but it appears that all you need is a turbo that would work with a setup like that, pump for the oil or I believe someone else said that there is a turbo that doesnt require that since you can just lube it yourself when needed, piping to your intake, plus all your other standard turbo acc. like gauges and enginge management.

I'd love to try it out on my car. I might read a little bit more into it. See if I can built my own kit. I'd be happy with just 5psi.

ICEMAN99TURBO · 11/19/2006, 09:07 PM

As stated before....
It is a great set up and there is little to NO different in Lag compaired to the engine mount location everyone is custom to.

The one question that I have had about the set up, that I have never have been able to get an answer for. How does it hold up in a rain storm or wet condition? When the water hits the housing, you would think it would crack or shatter due to how hot it is compaired to the cold of the water....

icemanrld19 · 11/19/2006, 09:18 PM

to me it looks like two exhaust systems routed into a turbo. Get another stock v6 exhaust and build ur own

repforenzo · 11/19/2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ICEMAN99TURBO

As stated before....
It is a great set up and there is little to NO different in Lag compaired to the engine mount location everyone is custom to.

Where's the evidence?

PharmEcis · 11/20/2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by repforenzo

Where's the evidence?

There isn't any...

ICEMAN99TURBO · 11/20/2006, 10:38 PM

I can hook you up with the gentleman who has the kit on his WS6 Trans Am, he runs AutoX in my region. We had a nice long chat while in the grid about his kit and how there doesn't seem to be any difference. You could also tell by watching him run that day. Very impressive!
Dont test me, I know what I am talking about!

PharmEcis · 11/20/2006, 10:49 PM

Do you really?

repforenzo · 11/20/2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ICEMAN99TURBO

I can hook you up with the gentleman who has the kit on his WS6 Trans Am, he runs AutoX in my region. We had a nice long chat while in the grid about his kit and how there doesn't seem to be any difference. You could also tell by watching him run that day. Very impressive!
Dont test me, I know what I am talking about!

I'm not questioning whether it can be an effective means to FI our 3g. But if the piping is not standardized, you could have different results based on the bends and length in piping.

For that reasoning, it would only be common sense based on the distance between the turbo and the TB, the routing of the piping, there's got to be some drop in efficiency. How much is the question...

ICEMAN99TURBO · 11/20/2006, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PharmEcis

Do you really?

I have the skillz!

As far as the piping, I'm not sure, I could talk with him and see what he has his looking like. Maybe get him to snap some photos and such. When we were chatting, I tried to look under for a better look, but want unsuccessful due the the fact that the car was on the ground!

white3geclipseg · 11/20/2006, 11:27 PM

have any of you even bothered to read squires website?

yes, length of pipe matters im sure...but they have kits ranging from hummers, to corvettes, to MOTORCYCLES.

this isnt some hacked up, backyard job...they have PROVEN numbers; just, its on CERTAIN vehicles.

icemanrld19 · 11/20/2006, 11:48 PM

THis thread is making me want to mod my turbo kit!!!

repforenzo · 11/20/2006, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by white3geclipseg

have any of you even bothered to read squires website?

yes, length of pipe matters im sure...but they have kits ranging from hummers, to corvettes, to MOTORCYCLES.

this isnt some hacked up, backyard job...they have PROVEN numbers; just, its on CERTAIN vehicles.

That is fine, but those kits are offered with piping included. So, there will be some consistent hp numbers there... The only offering for the 3g is the universal kit without piping. The way you route the piping can effect performance. That would be my concern.

repforenzo · 11/20/2006, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by icemanrld19

THis thread is making me want to mod my turbo kit!!!

A turbo after a turbo!

white3geclipseg · 11/21/2006, 12:00 AM

ok...do me a favor...look at the installation pictures of the twin kit(or single for that matter)....theres no way they have more piping than our car qould require. they have put out very nice numbers.

johndonnerjac · 11/21/2006, 09:37 AM

imo, i think if the piping is put up with the least amount of travel, then you would have hot air, right. so the more piping the cooler the temp. remember this is just a thought and has no real numbers to back it up. just thinking that if the air has more distants to go then it would cool it down.

repforenzo · 11/21/2006, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by johndonnerjac

imo, i think if the piping is put up with the least amount of travel, then you would have hot air, right. so the more piping the cooler the temp. remember this is just a thought and has no real numbers to back it up. just thinking that if the air has more distances to go then it would cool it down.

Yeah, that is a benefit. However, if the system is close to the efficiency of the in-the-engine bay setup, then why don't the car manufactures put the turbos on the back like the STS? The reason is max efficiency is obtained right off of the manifold.

I'm not slamming the product, but I think some reality has to be considered. I think it would be difficult to spin the turbo past 25 psi with the turbo that far back.

Tearstone · 11/21/2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by repforenzo

I'm not slamming the product, but I think some reality has to be considered. I think it would be difficult to spin the turbo past 25 psi with the turbo that far back.

I don't think the STS is a product, STS sells an idea.

PharmEcis · 11/21/2006, 11:30 AM

Phil is on the money.

ICEMAN99TURBO · 11/21/2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by icemanrld19

THis thread is making me want to mod my turbo kit!!!

Hell, get the best of both worlds... Push and pull.

repforenzo · 11/21/2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tearstone

I don't think the STS is a product, STS sells an idea.

They actually sell for kits for specific vehicles... like the C5, mustang, etc. And then they offer the universal kit, sans piping.

It may not be a bad low boost option...

slwdwn3g · 11/28/2006, 03:52 PM

as far as placement of the turbo read page 202 in maximum boost the last paragraph. And if your worried about lag (guys with front mount turbo 3g's)take a string and measure the distance from the turbo down the piping to the intercooler and back to the throttle body. I bet its only ablut 1-2 feet shorter then it would be from the muffler back up the exhuast between the engine and firewall to the throttle body plus you lose 1-3 psi with an intercooler depending on its size.

executive · 12/11/2006, 11:05 AM

Sunday they put that kit on a Vette on the show on Spike, I think it's called Powerblock or something. Went from 345whp to 535whp with 6psi but that a twin turbo setup, which could probably be possible on a few of the 3gs that have had dual exhaust put on them. But thats if it will be able to spool bothe those turbos. They also made a comment at the end about turbo lag, and the guy just said "What lag" then took off.

JoesInBoston · 12/11/2006, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by executive

Sunday they put that kit on a Vette on the show on Spike, I think it's called Powerblock or something. Went from 345whp to 535whp with 6psi but that a twin turbo setup, which could probably be possible on a few of the 3gs that have had dual exhaust put on them. But thats if it will be able to spool bothe those turbos. They also made a comment at the end about turbo lag, and the guy just said "What lag" then took off.

I saw that episode. My concern with the 3G pictured is that the charge pipe looks to be right next to the exhaust pipe for the entire length. I would think that the exhaust pipe might have some effect on the temperature of the charge pipe.

On the show, they made the charge pipes go up over the fender wells and through the side skirts up to the front fender wells and the into the engine bay.

JoesInBoston · 12/11/2006, 11:38 AM

One other thing I just thought of.

The popular thing to do with 3G turbo kits is a "suck through" setup with the MAS right? This turbo setup would need to be setup for "blow through"......

PharmEcis · 12/11/2006, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoesInBoston

One other thing I just thought of.

The popular thing to do with 3G turbo kits is a "suck through" setup with the MAS right? This turbo setup would need to be setup for "blow through"......

Convert to MAFT and problem solved.

ICEMAN99TURBO · 12/11/2006, 06:04 PM

I seen that episode as well, watched it while laying in my Hotel bed in Chicago.

ryu · 12/11/2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by slwdwn3g

as far as placement of the turbo read page 202 in maximum boost the last paragraph. And if your worried about lag (guys with front mount turbo 3g's)take a string and measure the distance from the turbo down the piping to the intercooler and back to the throttle body. I bet its only ablut 1-2 feet shorter then it would be from the muffler back up the exhuast between the engine and firewall to the throttle body plus you lose 1-3 psi with an intercooler depending on its size.

An efficient intercooler only has a .5psi drop @ 15psi and 1.5psi drop at 30psi.

Chief Brody · 12/11/2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ryu

An efficient intercooler only has a .5psi drop @ 15psi and 1.5psi drop at 30psi.

And more importantly cools the intake charge far more than what a long intercoolerless pipe can do. A good intercooler can remove 80% of the heat above ambient.

ICEMAN99TURBO · 12/11/2006, 10:40 PM

..and did you hear what the host said about the psi. drop for the rear mount. Not to mention that cooler the air is since it how far away from the intake.

repforenzo · 12/11/2006, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by executive

Sunday they put that kit on a Vette on the show on Spike, I think it's called Powerblock or something. Went from 345whp to 535whp with 6psi but that a twin turbo setup, which could probably be possible on a few of the 3gs that have had dual exhaust put on them. But thats if it will be able to spool bothe those turbos. They also made a comment at the end about turbo lag, and the guy just said "What lag" then took off.

I think it is a very cool product with perhaps some interesting possibilities for this community if some choose the STS.

But let's not kid ourselves. If the same turbos were pulled off the back, and then mounted right to the manifolds with an intercooler, that Vette would make way more than 535 whp. It's really that simple.

Eclipse_kid · 12/12/2006, 12:00 AM

sooo....how bout them cowboys

cyberbrain · 12/12/2006, 12:07 AM

After reading this there has been one thing that has not been mentioned. it is the fact the cars everyone is talking about (C5, Hummer, Fbody's) are all decent Sized V8 cars. They do not need the low end torque like our cars do to launch like a bat out of hell.

repforenzo · 12/12/2006, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberbrain

After reading this there has been one thing that has not been mentioned. it is the fact the cars everyone is talking about (C5, Hummer, Fbody's) are all decent Sized V8 cars. They do not need the low end torque like our cars do to launch like a bat out of hell.

A very good point. Not to mention you get 4 bangs per revolution and they have higher exhaust volume. As innovating as the STS is, they sure take some liberties in the description of their product.

Chief Brody · 12/12/2006, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by repforenzo

A very good point. Not to mention you get 4 bangs per revolution and they have higher exhaust volume. As innovating as the STS is, they sure take some liberties in the description of their product.

Yeah, like improves gas milage. Got to wonder about any FI system that claims that.

Plus not matter if your turbo is sitting right of the head, or on your tailpipe, tuning is the more important, part of any NA to FI conversion. And you're on your own with that kit.

trox · 12/12/2006, 12:23 PM

This guy made his own kit and has been using it for a some time now. There's a lot of good info there.

link
message board link

I've been looking into this as a way to turbo my car. I have no room under the hood for a traditional setup.

phalse · 12/12/2006, 01:43 PM

the paragraph he mentions merely illustrates the importance of proper sizing of the turbo based on what youre gonna do. if youre gonna have an sts style turbo, then with the lower exhaust pressure AND heat (since the cats reach lightoff temperature sooner from the 'virgin' exhaust xD) youll have to choose the size and A/R's of the turbo in an STS accordingly, smaller inducer and such.

just cuz one would have lots of room under there where the muffler used to be doesnt mean you can hang some bowling ball under there and expect the engine to be able to spool it anytime soon =D imo, i still say sts is ok, its just not whats best for this particular car.

ICEMAN99TURBO · 12/12/2006, 04:39 PM

It is a nice write up that kid did. Looks like he did his homework.

repforenzo · 01/15/2007, 03:52 PM

I think this is the video that was brought up:

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9000e3a63d.htm

They really didn't explain that "fitting on the MAS" very well. I'm curious if they left it open or not. See for yourself.

benaleaf322 · 05/05/2008, 08:33 PM

I'm sorry, but why in the flyin fuck would you put something like this on the four cylinder when you can go to somewhere like a pull a part, buy a manifold and a decent turbo for under 100 bucks (if you're trying to save money), and then buy things such as boost controllers, B.O.V., ect. on the internet!!!??? This thing looks like a whole lot of trouble that is not worth 3000 dollars. Plus, the damn air filter is basically RIGHT behind the wheel, throwing dirt, WATER, pebbles, and God knows what right at the intake. The only engine this might be worth putting on would be a 6 cylinder, but even then I would not put my intake filter where it could possible suck up a nice puddle of water.

11/17/2006, 10:58 PM	#61 (permalink)
executive Damn I look good Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Vehicle: 07' GT Spyder 6spd mt Posts: 925	What turbo would you need to do that with. One thing thats been holding me up on just going ahead and bossting my car is the install time. But if what they claim is true, 8 or soo hours doesnt seem soo bad. I'm sure someone could built their own kit cheaper though. __________________ Last time I checked, no one gave a damn.

11/17/2006, 11:59 PM	#63 (permalink)
executive Damn I look good Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Vehicle: 07' GT Spyder 6spd mt Posts: 925	Just the install of the turbo itselft is what I'm curious about, the other stuff I can handle. __________________ Last time I checked, no one gave a damn.

11/17/2006, 11:59 PM	#64 (permalink)
phalse pro auto detailer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Buffalo Vehicle: 03 GS 5spd Posts: 441	you idiots are missing out on how i never said anything about the 6cyl. you just presume that my commentary is aimed your way just cuz this thread is in the 6cyl section. now are you guys done yet? jesus you guys can be lame sometimes. concerning the filter, yeah thats the problem. and you can do this or that to make sure moisture/suspension travel isnt a problem but would that be trading one problem for another? in a normal turbo kit, you dont have to worry about those things =D i dunno, something tells me only in specific cases/for certain cars would this really be the way to go. its like i said earlier, most of the money for half the hardware. what theyre really selling, imho, is the concept of convenience. no turbo kit for yer car? no problemo! install our leet STS kit.. it lets you use the turbo for a muffler!#$ __________________ The Phalse Chronicles: detailing tips, tricks, and how-to's http://www.club3g.com/forum/show-shine/74660-answers-common-myths-long-post.html

11/18/2006, 04:01 PM	#71 (permalink)
executive Damn I look good Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Vehicle: 07' GT Spyder 6spd mt Posts: 925	It seems to be an all around cheaper method of boosting once you have a engine that will handle it. Even with the cost of the piping I'm sure it would in way cost more than buying an intercooler and turbo manifold. Maybe I'm wrong or missing something but it appears that all you need is a turbo that would work with a setup like that, pump for the oil or I believe someone else said that there is a turbo that doesnt require that since you can just lube it yourself when needed, piping to your intake, plus all your other standard turbo acc. like gauges and enginge management. I'd love to try it out on my car. I might read a little bit more into it. See if I can built my own kit. I'd be happy with just 5psi. __________________ Last time I checked, no one gave a damn.

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11/18/2006, 11:48 AM	#68 (permalink)
repforenzo Stage 1 SDS @10 psi! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Crofton, Md. Vehicle: 2003 GTS 5sp. Posts: 2,311	The one thing that is intriguing me about this system, that no one has mentioned, is that it would be the ideal setup for Super and Turbo charging at the same time. With my SDS setup, adding the STS would not be that difficult.

11/19/2006, 09:07 PM	#72 (permalink)
ICEMAN99TURBO Your Reality Check Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bad Axe, MI Welcome 2 HICKTOWN Vehicle: Y2K GT-P Posts: 24,208	As stated before.... It is a great set up and there is little to NO different in Lag compaired to the engine mount location everyone is custom to. The one question that I have had about the set up, that I have never have been able to get an answer for. How does it hold up in a rain storm or wet condition? When the water hits the housing, you would think it would crack or shatter due to how hot it is compaired to the cold of the water....

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icemanrld19 stupid booster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: claysburg, camden, martinsburg, bridgeport, addison/dallas. Vehicle: Single snailed spyder Posts: 7,065	to me it looks like two exhaust systems routed into a turbo. Get another stock v6 exhaust and build ur own

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ICEMAN99TURBO Your Reality Check Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bad Axe, MI Welcome 2 HICKTOWN Vehicle: Y2K GT-P Posts: 24,208	I can hook you up with the gentleman who has the kit on his WS6 Trans Am, he runs AutoX in my region. We had a nice long chat while in the grid about his kit and how there doesn't seem to be any difference. You could also tell by watching him run that day. Very impressive! Dont test me, I know what I am talking about!

11/20/2006, 11:27 PM	#80 (permalink)
white3geclipseg Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 223	have any of you even bothered to read squires website? yes, length of pipe matters im sure...but they have kits ranging from hummers, to corvettes, to MOTORCYCLES. this isnt some hacked up, backyard job...they have PROVEN numbers; just, its on CERTAIN vehicles.

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icemanrld19 stupid booster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: claysburg, camden, martinsburg, bridgeport, addison/dallas. Vehicle: Single snailed spyder Posts: 7,065	THis thread is making me want to mod my turbo kit!!!

11/21/2006, 12:00 AM	#84 (permalink)
white3geclipseg Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 223	ok...do me a favor...look at the installation pictures of the twin kit(or single for that matter)....theres no way they have more piping than our car qould require. they have put out very nice numbers.

11/21/2006, 09:37 AM	#85 (permalink)
johndonnerjac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Smyrna, TN Vehicle: 2002 Eclipse GT Posts: 1,562	imo, i think if the piping is put up with the least amount of travel, then you would have hot air, right. so the more piping the cooler the temp. remember this is just a thought and has no real numbers to back it up. just thinking that if the air has more distants to go then it would cool it down.

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PharmEcis Resident Asshole Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2g stratus 2g eclipse Posts: 5,134	Phil is on the money. __________________ 01 Stratus R/T Turbo www.2gstratus.org www.ucsperformance.com 240.271.0280 2007 NASA TTR National Champions! 2008 Redline Time Attack Summit Point Unlimited FWD 3rd Place! FIRST PNP AEM EMS! FIRST 3.8L 6G75 MIVEC SWAP IN THE WORLD! I sell custom turbo kits for the 3G. If you are serious about a turbo kit, call the number above.

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slwdwn3g Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: greensboro north carolina Vehicle: 02 eclipse gt premium Posts: 686	as far as placement of the turbo read page 202 in maximum boost the last paragraph. And if your worried about lag (guys with front mount turbo 3g's)take a string and measure the distance from the turbo down the piping to the intercooler and back to the throttle body. I bet its only ablut 1-2 feet shorter then it would be from the muffler back up the exhuast between the engine and firewall to the throttle body plus you lose 1-3 psi with an intercooler depending on its size. __________________ 02 Sporty GT,Premium, Titanium Pearl CAI, Tsudo Cat Back, Anzo Halo Projectors, Black Altezza Tails, Clear Front Corners, HKS Grounding Kit, ECU Reflash, Greddy Turbo Timer, 18" nexxo m20's(gunmetal), KYB AGX, Tein H-Techs, StopTech stage 2 brake rotor upgrade, Carbon Falcon Wing, carbon APR canards, rear strut tower bar, optix blue led accents

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executive Damn I look good Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, Tx Vehicle: 07' GT Spyder 6spd mt Posts: 925	Sunday they put that kit on a Vette on the show on Spike, I think it's called Powerblock or something. Went from 345whp to 535whp with 6psi but that a twin turbo setup, which could probably be possible on a few of the 3gs that have had dual exhaust put on them. But thats if it will be able to spool bothe those turbos. They also made a comment at the end about turbo lag, and the guy just said "What lag" then took off. __________________ Last time I checked, no one gave a damn.

12/11/2006, 11:38 AM	#94 (permalink)
JoesInBoston I think too much Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brockton, MA Posts: 1,144	One other thing I just thought of. The popular thing to do with 3G turbo kits is a "suck through" setup with the MAS right? This turbo setup would need to be setup for "blow through"......

12/11/2006, 06:04 PM	#96 (permalink)
ICEMAN99TURBO Your Reality Check Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bad Axe, MI Welcome 2 HICKTOWN Vehicle: Y2K GT-P Posts: 24,208	I seen that episode as well, watched it while laying in my Hotel bed in Chicago.

12/11/2006, 10:40 PM	#99 (permalink)
ICEMAN99TURBO Your Reality Check Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bad Axe, MI Welcome 2 HICKTOWN Vehicle: Y2K GT-P Posts: 24,208	..and did you hear what the host said about the psi. drop for the rear mount. Not to mention that cooler the air is since it how far away from the intake.

12/12/2006, 12:00 AM	#101 (permalink)
Eclipse_kid SilverBullet Convert Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodbridge, VA Vehicle: 2000 Eclipse GT (auto) Posts: 237	sooo....how bout them cowboys

12/12/2006, 12:07 AM	#102 (permalink)
cyberbrain Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cleveland, OH Vehicle: 08 Jeep JK 4x4 Posts: 2,097	After reading this there has been one thing that has not been mentioned. it is the fact the cars everyone is talking about (C5, Hummer, Fbody's) are all decent Sized V8 cars. They do not need the low end torque like our cars do to launch like a bat out of hell.

12/12/2006, 12:23 PM	#105 (permalink)
trox Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Clarion Vehicle: 1996 Stratus Posts: 40	This guy made his own kit and has been using it for a some time now. There's a lot of good info there. link message board link I've been looking into this as a way to turbo my car. I have no room under the hood for a traditional setup.

12/12/2006, 01:43 PM	#106 (permalink)
phalse pro auto detailer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Buffalo Vehicle: 03 GS 5spd Posts: 441	the paragraph he mentions merely illustrates the importance of proper sizing of the turbo based on what youre gonna do. if youre gonna have an sts style turbo, then with the lower exhaust pressure AND heat (since the cats reach lightoff temperature sooner from the 'virgin' exhaust xD) youll have to choose the size and A/R's of the turbo in an STS accordingly, smaller inducer and such. just cuz one would have lots of room under there where the muffler used to be doesnt mean you can hang some bowling ball under there and expect the engine to be able to spool it anytime soon =D imo, i still say sts is ok, its just not whats best for this particular car. __________________ The Phalse Chronicles: detailing tips, tricks, and how-to's http://www.club3g.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74660

12/12/2006, 04:39 PM	#107 (permalink)
ICEMAN99TURBO Your Reality Check Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Bad Axe, MI Welcome 2 HICKTOWN Vehicle: Y2K GT-P Posts: 24,208	It is a nice write up that kid did. Looks like he did his homework.

01/15/2007, 03:52 PM	#108 (permalink)
repforenzo Stage 1 SDS @10 psi! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Crofton, Md. Vehicle: 2003 GTS 5sp. Posts: 2,311	I think this is the video that was brought up: http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...9000e3a63d.htm They really didn't explain that "fitting on the MAS" very well. I'm curious if they left it open or not. See for yourself.

05/05/2008, 08:33 PM	#109 (permalink)
benaleaf322 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 27	I'm sorry, but why in the flyin fuck would you put something like this on the four cylinder when you can go to somewhere like a pull a part, buy a manifold and a decent turbo for under 100 bucks (if you're trying to save money), and then buy things such as boost controllers, B.O.V., ect. on the internet!!!??? This thing looks like a whole lot of trouble that is not worth 3000 dollars. Plus, the damn air filter is basically RIGHT behind the wheel, throwing dirt, WATER, pebbles, and God knows what right at the intake. The only engine this might be worth putting on would be a 6 cylinder, but even then I would not put my intake filter where it could possible suck up a nice puddle of water.