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This thread was started back in 10/2008 as another "look at my 3G thread" and has now grown into a detailed account of the most amazing build in 3G history. The build started with a simple goal of 500WHP using a 6G74 engine built by my twin shark PharmEcis of UCS Performance. The 6G74 engine he built is the strongest built 6G74 evidenced by the internals, heads and because it was bored to increase displacement from 3.5L to 3.7L. Then in 1/2010 while V6 5 speed AWD talk started to get serious I decided to step up and take on the task of doing the AWD conversion possibly resulting in being the first 3G to achieve it. Then in 7/2011 to quote my friend, the late great silverside "I decided to go all out and cram a 3.8 (MIVEC) 6G75 into it" :D. The end result will be a 5 speed AWD 3G Spyder powered by a built MIVEC 6G75 turbocharged engine. This build required a lot of dedication, patience and money on my part and this thread will chronicle all the ups and downs this car went through to achieve something that has never been achieved before and maybe never achieved again. Thanks for reading, enjoy.

Table Of Contents​

Page 1: The "silverside" dedication, modification list.

Page 2: The official beginning of the build where PharmEcis first posts in it showing pictures of a piston and rod. Also pics of the car with the 3.0L removed, the black EVO VIII wheels, Brembo calipers and rotors, air to water intercooler kit, the 3.7L motor out and in the engine bay.

Page 3: Pics of the Project Mu rear rotors, front valve cover, new front bumper, Club3G decals, the motor being assembled. Early non-serious AWD conversion talk.

Page 4: More early non-serious AWD conversion talk. PharmEcis first starts the car. Pics of the stainless steel brake lines, diamond plate floormats. PharmEcis posts the 1st compression test numbers and I go pick up the car to break the motor in naturally aspirated.

Page 5: Breaking in of the motor with a list of SES codes. Pics of the motor during the break-in period, front EVO VIII wheels with Brembos on, interior with gauges and in-dash stereo system, oil filter adapter with oil pressure and oil temp sending units, 1st oil change, debadging of the car.

Page 6: An explanation of "boring an engine" and why PharmEcis decided on using a 65mm throttle body. Pics of the installation of the upgraded shifter bushings and how my headunit plays video while I'm driving setup.

Page 8: The AWD conversion officially begins with pics of the EVO VIII Non-ACD transfercase (Phase 1) and related AWD info.

Page 9: AWD conversion Phase 2 with pics of the EVO VIII bellhousing and more related AWD talk. Pics of the O2 simulators needed to pass emissions inspection.

Page 10: AWD conversion Phase 3 with pics of the 2G GSX auto tranny rear end then going to PharmEcis' shop to deliver all 3 phases to him. Pics of the Borg Warner S366 turbocharger. Prices I paid for all 3 phases of the AWD conversion.

Page 11: Pics of the EVO VIII passenger side axle. PharmEcis and I find out that the motor is consuming oil and it will need to be taken out and torn apart to figure out and fix the problem.

Page 12: Explanation of Stroking vs. Boring.

Page 13: Pics of the rear end from the donor 2G GSX and the O2 simulators installed.

Page 14: Pics of the car at PharmEcis' shop where the diagnosis of the motor begins. PharmEcis figures out the problem.

Page 15: Pics of the Sparco Monza seats.

Page 16: PharmEcis gets the engine problem squared away and I begin to find the machinist to make the custom belhousing for the AWD conversion.

Page 17: Pics of the pieces need for the machinist to make the custom bellhousing and pics of the motor being re-assembled.

Page 18: PharmEcis gets the engine running again.

Page 19: PharmEcis talks about making the custom subframe and how silverside helped with editing of the ROM so the car could pass emissions inspection. The car passes emissions inspection. Pics of the billet front grill installed along with the Club3G decals.

Page 20: The machinist informs me the custom bellhousing is done and I go pick it up.

Page 21: PharmEcis and I enter a business partnership to sell V6 AWD conversion kits.

Page 24: This same table of contents with current status in big yellow letters. Pics of the AEM Digital Gauges.

Page 25: Pics of the Tearstone Billet Aluminum 4 Piece Fluid Cap set, SC-Customs V2 Shift Knob and custom aluminum radiator brackets, Youtube video of me driving 04MOJOGT's 1st 3G, pic of the EVO IX steering wheel.

Page 27: Video and pics of the Advan RS 18x8 +37 gunmetal color wheels.

Page 28: Pics of the aluminum wheel spacers for the fronts.

Page 29: The car goes to Greg's new shop for the 1st time :woot: to swap the 6G74 out for a non-MIVEC 6G75. This was the last day of the 6G74, bye! :wavey:

Page 30: Pics of the car getting prepped for Greg to do his work. The Autobot badges are removed along with most of the interior pieces.

Page 31: I announce I've upgraded and bought Greg's 6G75 MIVEC motor :woot::woot:

As of this post and until I or PharmEcis post anything different the status of this build is PharmEcis is working on the custom front subframe. Once that is done and has proven to be successful then the rest of the drivetrain will be assembled to make the V6 5 speed AWD conversion a complete success. After that then the turbo parts will be added then the tuning will be done. For more information on the AWD conversion read this thread: http://www.club3g.com/forum/3g-eclipse-gt-gts-specific/130433-gt-gts-awd-conversion-thread.html


David "silverside" Krankowski never saw this car in person, but he played a vital part in the process of getting this build done. With his knowledge of ECU's silverside helped PharmEcis get this car to pass North Carolina emissions in April 2010. Once that inspection was done it cleared the way for everything else to take place to make this the GREATEST 3G to ever see the streets. He is the first and so far only person in the world to put a 3.8L 6G75 MIVEC engine which the 4G eclipse uses into a 3G. On May 2, 2010 by chance I met David at the College Park, MD meet. He recognized me from pictures of me throughtout this thread and we hit it off immediately. He repaired my GSX later on that afternoon which enabled me to get back home that night. His knowledge, kindness and sense of humor will forever be in my memory and will forever be missed. He wanted to see this car completed and he will. R.I.P. David. I love you and thank you.

12-6-89 --5-4-10​
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As of 8/18/11

MODIFICATIONS​

ENGINE

  • MIVEC 6G75 engine
    Custom forged Rods with ARP2000 Hardware
    ARP2000 Head Stud kit
    ARP2000 Main Stud kit
    O-Ringing of the block
    More engine upgrades to be determined

FORCED INDUCTION

  • Borg Warner S366 Turbocharger
    UCS Performance Tubular Exhaust Manifolds
    UCS Perforance Custom Stainless Steel Y-Pipe and downpipe
    Custom Air to Water Intercooler kit
    Tial Q Blow Off Valve
    Greddy Evo 2 exhaust

ENGINE MANAGEMENT AND GAUGES

  • Custom AEM EMS made by PharmEcis of UCS Performance
    AEM Digital Gauges (Air/Fuel Ratio, Boost, Fuel Pressure, Oil Pressure, Water Temperature)
    Grimmspeed Electronic Boost Control Solenoid

FUEL MANAGEMENT

  • 550cc High Impedance Injectors
    Fuel Labs Fuel Pressure Regulator
    UCS Performance custom fuel rail
    Fuel Rail Loop Upgrade
    AN Adapters and Stainless Braided Lines
    Aeromotive 340 Stealth Fuel Pump
    NGK Copper 1 Degree Colder Spark Plugs

DRIVETRAIN/TRANSMISSION

  • AWD conversion: Custom EVO VIII bellhousing, Custom front subframe, EVO VIII non-ACD transfercase, EVO VIII passenger side axle, 2G Eclipse GSX automatic tranny rear end
    Fidanza lightweight flywheel
    South Bend Custom Clutch
    Prothane High Performance Urethane Motor Mount Kit
    UCS Performance tranny shifter bushings
    Energy Suspension Polyurethane shifter stabilizer bushings
    B&M Short Shifter

SUSPENSION

  • Eibach Pro-Kit Springs on KYB GR-2 shocks & struts (upgrading to KW V3 Coilovers)
    Advan RS 18x8 +37 dark gunmetallic wheels
    Custom 6.5mm wheel spacers for the fronts
    Front and Rear Brembo EVO VIII Calipers with Brembo front rotors
    Project Mu SCR rear EVO VIII rotors
    Goodridge G-Stop Stainless Steel Brake lines

AUDIO, ELECTRONICS, ENGINE BAY DRESS UP

  • Pioneer AVIC N5
    Escort Passport 9500i Radar Detector
    Quicklift Redline Tuning Hood struts
    Tearstone Billet Aluminum Fluid Cap 4 Piece Set
    Custom Aluminum Radiator Brackets

INTERIOR

  • EVO IX steering wheel
    Angel Instrument Gauges
    Glowshift Black Triple Gauge Pod
    SC-Customs V2 Shift Knob
    Diamond Plated floormats with Mitsu symbol
    Aftermarket black front racing seats (brand to be decided)
    Black OEM rear leather seats
    CDC lightbar

EXTERIOR

  • Billet front grill
    Ebay Sonar Projector Headlights (upgrade coming soon)
    Ebay Smoked front corners
    Yellow film over the foglights
    Custom Niteshaded Tail & Reverse lights
    Alloy Fuel Door
    Debadged the V6 24Valve, Spyder and GTS emblems
    Club3G decals

MORE MODS TO COME​
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A JOURNAL OF THE BUILDING OF MY 3G INTO A TURBOCHARGED 6G75 MIVEC 5 SPEED AWD MACHINE BEING BUILT BY PharmEcis, ARGUABLY THE FASTEST 3G TO DATE.


I apologize if the pics are too big. I just figured this photobucket thing out. Hope you enjoy the pics.




The interior. Glowshift gauges, instrument cluster gauge, autobot shift knob, pioneer avic-n4, escort passport 9500i radar detector, white trim kit.









A preview of where the tach/shift light will go. The fiberglass will be painted black and smoothed to look like part of the dash.
 
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#1,039 ·
Which shows and meets are you planning to be at? I think you mentioned a few earlier in the thread. I guess some of that depends on when the car gets done . . .



Regarding the machining: I'll agree, it's better to do it right once.

My regular job takes about 11 hours a day. Then, for the time being, I'm doing some work on the side which can be 2 - 3 hours per day, plus I'm trying to do electronics work on the side of that, plus firefighting and the classes that go with that, trying to keep after my house, and maintaining a little social life. I'll be the first to agree that 24 hours is not enough!

So, we're agreed! :yesway:
 
#1,040 ·
Basically any meet before July that I go to I'll be driving the GSX. The meet in PA at the end of this month I MIGHT go to, but I'm definitely going to the Univ. of MD meet on May 2nd and the TOTD Memorial Day weekend.

Since Greg is going to be doing the motor break-in on the Spyder it looks like I won't have the car at all which can turn out to be a good thing since Greg would have it everyday and could get work done on it everyday. He's going to need every minute to complete this build and of course I'll be down there to help him get it done.
 
#1,041 ·
Got the engine in last night. Still have a lot of work to do, but I "should" be able to key start her today I think.

In regards to 24 hours in a day.... I seriously need 48 hour days and the ability to sleep 10. Then just maybe I could catch up. :lol:
 
#1,042 ·
:woot:izzle! If you could get it started and driveable I'll come down there and take it to NC to get that inspection and registration taken care off ASAP, then drop it right back off to you.

It's like you're racing against time.
 
#1,043 ·
A little off topic: I wish I would have made better financial choices 2-3 years ago. While I wouldn't be innovative in a big way, I'd at least being doing something more advanced than playing with big-maps on a stock motor. It would be great to have more innovators on the board - look at the activity on EvoM and 3si. I guess a lot has to do with the demographic of the owners and the type of car.



I'm starting to get excited about this build and what it means for the community. Not many will follow (including myself), but I'm glad to see some succesful innovation. I can't imagine how you feel!
 
#1,044 ·
I hear you on the better past financial decisions. The motor part of the build I can't claim any credit for, that's all Greg. I would've liked to be able to contribute more than just the money but Greg has turned out to be a real good friend of mine throughout this whole build. I learned some things from him and I'm still learning. I'm actually glad it worked out this way and I have no regrets. This has been fun even through all the occasional setbacks. A little stressful but fun.

My personal sense of satisfaction is the finding of the "source" to do the custom bellhousing for this AWD conversion on my own. The sense of satisfaction and accomplishment I'll feel when I go to the "source" to pick up the finished product and then take it to Greg for his visual approval and to see it working on the car will not be describable in words. To achieve something MAJOR on this platform that is so restrictive will be huge. All the phone calls made, miles driven and money spent by me then to see it pay off successfully will be priceless.

Yesterday I actually e-mailed the editor of Super Street magazine about considering my car for a full feature. I described it to him and included the link to the forum to see the build. We'll see how that goes. If that were to happen then that would just crown this build.
 
#1,048 ·
If the big map reality is the real deal, turbo kit sales should jump. Running them on stock motors should be possible now so literally, $5,500 - $6,5000 would turbo the car.
 
#1,049 ·
I would still be reluctant to run a turbo on just ecuflash. tuning for a supercharger is. . well easy compared to tuning for the turbo IMO.
 
#1,056 ·
Update!

The beast lives! Have a few little kinks to work out but she should be on the road tomorrow and Charles should be going for his emissions test shortly!
 
#1,057 ·
Oh yeah, you also got my custom shifter bushings for the transmission. Now I need to make myself a new set.
 
#1,059 ·
:lol: Something told me to check in again. I'm sitting in the movies watching the b.s. movie trivia waiting to see Hot Tub Time Machine. I'd come down right after the movie, shit I gotta good mind to walk out this muthafucka and go home and pack and head down now! :lol: You'll be sleep or in some chick so I'll wait until the morning Greg. Thanks.
 
#1,061 ·
Oh yeah Greg, thanks for the custom tranny shifter bushings.;)
 
#1,062 ·
Don't chomp at the bit just yet Charles. Got some work to do still and remember I need to put some miles on her first.
 
#1,063 ·
Haha, yeah you right.
 
#1,071 ·
:agreed: You know dat shit!!! :lol::rofl::lol:
 
#1,076 ·
Damn, if your car was a girl that girl would be one sexy ass hunk of love. I recently purchased an 04 3g gts and right now I'm kind of eating rice with it. I'm doing the entire speaker system and along with HID headlights and interior/exterior LED/neon lights. Reason why I'm focusing on the sound system is because I can't really fully enjoy driving unless I can feel my music vibrating my seat and also because I am not to familiar with the mechanical portion of cars altogether. I do plan on working on the performance later on in the future for sure but not now since I have no money. I was checking out the RIPP SC because I heard it was easier to do and problems come up left and right if you try and boost the 3g. Then I was introduced to swapping the 6g72 with the 6g74. I really would love to boost the my car but if there are a lot of problems I think that would restrict me to either SC or swapping. I have no clue what to do but I want to be able to compete with my friend and his 06 cobalt ss SC with a stage 2 kit on it. Converting the car to AWD sounds sexy but also sounds really complicated and lots of time spent on finding different parts. What do you think I should do? hahaha
 
#1,079 ·
Thanks for the compliment. Yours looks good also. Just FYI supercharging a car is "boosting" it, just as turboing is. If you ever decide on a RIPP SDS I have a COMPLETE system for sale. You can also do a 74 swap and the RIPP SDS. V6 AWD is sexy and is somewhat complicated but finding the parts is simple, I showed everyone that earlier in this thread. The complicated part is the custom bellhousing which I have someone working on now.
 
#1,077 ·
I want to get a couple of cars on Pass Time. What's the combined track times of Charles and my car? I swear to you it would be a 30 second total for most people. Surprise the shit out of them w/ a combined 19.87S pass. :)
 
#1,082 ·
Charles, I have a serious feeling the custom subframe is going to prove way more difficult than the bellhousing, at least as far as sheer design and fabrication hours. FML :lol:
 
#1,083 ·
Oh well. Do you have an idea of what the subframe will have to look like?
 
#1,085 ·
Thanks Bitter.:yesway::yesway: I believe Greg was just playing around.
 
#1,088 ·
Umm... That's for the 4 cylinder. We are talking about a custom tubular subframe. WAYYYYYY more work than ANYTHING EVER done for this platform EVER for one single piece. You have to remember, the V6 subframe is made of cast aluminum. It can't be cut and welded very easily to retain STRENGTH. Aluminum welds are always weaker than the base metal. Steel on the other hand is the opposite.

Think about it. I have to build this thing so that it does the following:

A: Allows the Tcase to pass through to the rear
B: Clears all the turbo piping + Tcase
C: Relocates the power steering rack to clear the tcase.
D: Lower control arms must bolt to this in two distinct places (must be located perfectly, just like OEM)
E: Sway bar bolts to this in 2 places (Geometry must be right for it to be effective)
F: Crossmember bolts to this in 2 places (probably easiest thing to do in this sordid affair)
G: Motor mount bolts to this in 3 places (must be located perfectly), must be strong.
H: Must bolt up to the unibody in exactly the right manner
I: A-H must be perfectly done to mesh as a single cohesive unit, to a margin of error of less than a tenth of an inch.


You guys have no idea the undertaking it's going to be to build this thing. It's probably going to take me a solid week non stop and 3 or 4 attempts to get it right. I'm going to have to jig the jigs with more jigs and some of the bracketry stuff will have to go to a machine shop to be made on CNC machines so that I can weld it to the chromemoly tubing being used.

There is just no fucking way to modify the stock unit. I studied it long and hard and all it's strength is exactly where the tcase has to go. I thought of all kinds of ways to get the space necessary to no avail.

Oh did I forget to mention it will have to be a different powersteering rack too? The V6 rack doesn't bolt from the bottom but bolts from the side. It's radically different and it's input will not allow it to be spaced down at all due to angle.

I have another idea that could cut fabrication time by a factor of 10, but I don't know if that idea will pan out. I actually don't think it will pan out at all but God my life would be so much easier if I could figure out how to make it work.
 
#1,090 ·
Ehhhhh that's all? Psssh, dat ain't shit. :lol:

Seriously though, getting that accomplished will just put this build/car on legendary status.
 
#1,095 ·
I know Australia and some other places had access to various AWD turbo (and non-turbo) variants that the US never got. I wish I had experience and knowledge about more platforms; I just concentrate on what I own at the time . . . and sometimes I make stupid guesses. :lol:

I guess that's where Greg's knowledge comes in.
 
#1,096 ·
If you guys only knew how much I guessed... :lol:

Many thanks to Silverside for giving me a hand today w/ some ROM editing. I got Charles car to finally run w/o any codes and it passed everything other than EVAP. Set EVAP bit from 1 to 0 and now everything is either ready or n/a... :lol: Charles is on his way down to NC right now for his emissions testing tomorrow. When he comes back, he drops off the 3G and picks up the GSX.
 
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