Chronicles of the MIVEC 6G75 TURBO AWD Spyder built by PharmEcis

[finesse49ers]

This thread was started back in 10/2008 as another "look at my 3G thread" and has now grown into a detailed account of the most amazing build in 3G history. The build started with a simple goal of 500WHP using a 6G74 engine built by my twin shark PharmEcis of UCS Performance. The 6G74 engine he built is the strongest built 6G74 evidenced by the internals, heads and because it was bored to increase displacement from 3.5L to 3.7L. Then in 1/2010 while V6 5 speed AWD talk started to get serious I decided to step up and take on the task of doing the AWD conversion possibly resulting in being the first 3G to achieve it. Then in 7/2011 to quote my friend, the late great silverside "I decided to go all out and cram a 3.8 (MIVEC) 6G75 into it" . The end result will be a 5 speed AWD 3G Spyder powered by a built MIVEC 6G75 turbocharged engine. This build required a lot of dedication, patience and money on my part and this thread will chronicle all the ups and downs this car went through to achieve something that has never been achieved before and maybe never achieved again. Thanks for reading, enjoy.

Table Of Contents

Page 1: The "silverside" dedication, modification list.

Page 2: The official beginning of the build where PharmEcis first posts in it showing pictures of a piston and rod. Also pics of the car with the 3.0L removed, the black EVO VIII wheels, Brembo calipers and rotors, air to water intercooler kit, the 3.7L motor out and in the engine bay.

Page 3: Pics of the Project Mu rear rotors, front valve cover, new front bumper, Club3G decals, the motor being assembled. Early non-serious AWD conversion talk.

Page 4: More early non-serious AWD conversion talk. PharmEcis first starts the car. Pics of the stainless steel brake lines, diamond plate floormats. PharmEcis posts the 1st compression test numbers and I go pick up the car to break the motor in naturally aspirated.

Page 5: Breaking in of the motor with a list of SES codes. Pics of the motor during the break-in period, front EVO VIII wheels with Brembos on, interior with gauges and in-dash stereo system, oil filter adapter with oil pressure and oil temp sending units, 1st oil change, debadging of the car.

Page 6: An explanation of "boring an engine" and why PharmEcis decided on using a 65mm throttle body. Pics of the installation of the upgraded shifter bushings and how my headunit plays video while I'm driving setup.

Page 8: The AWD conversion officially begins with pics of the EVO VIII Non-ACD transfercase (Phase 1) and related AWD info.

Page 9: AWD conversion Phase 2 with pics of the EVO VIII bellhousing and more related AWD talk. Pics of the O2 simulators needed to pass emissions inspection.

Page 10: AWD conversion Phase 3 with pics of the 2G GSX auto tranny rear end then going to PharmEcis' shop to deliver all 3 phases to him. Pics of the Borg Warner S366 turbocharger. Prices I paid for all 3 phases of the AWD conversion.

Page 11: Pics of the EVO VIII passenger side axle. PharmEcis and I find out that the motor is consuming oil and it will need to be taken out and torn apart to figure out and fix the problem.

Page 12: Explanation of Stroking vs. Boring.

Page 13: Pics of the rear end from the donor 2G GSX and the O2 simulators installed.

Page 14: Pics of the car at PharmEcis' shop where the diagnosis of the motor begins. PharmEcis figures out the problem.

Page 15: Pics of the Sparco Monza seats.

Page 16: PharmEcis gets the engine problem squared away and I begin to find the machinist to make the custom belhousing for the AWD conversion.

Page 17: Pics of the pieces need for the machinist to make the custom bellhousing and pics of the motor being re-assembled.

Page 18: PharmEcis gets the engine running again.

Page 19: PharmEcis talks about making the custom subframe and how silverside helped with editing of the ROM so the car could pass emissions inspection. The car passes emissions inspection. Pics of the billet front grill installed along with the Club3G decals.

Page 20: The machinist informs me the custom bellhousing is done and I go pick it up.

Page 21: PharmEcis and I enter a business partnership to sell V6 AWD conversion kits.

Page 24: This same table of contents with current status in big yellow letters. Pics of the AEM Digital Gauges.

Page 25: Pics of the Tearstone Billet Aluminum 4 Piece Fluid Cap set, SC-Customs V2 Shift Knob and custom aluminum radiator brackets, Youtube video of me driving 04MOJOGT's 1st 3G, pic of the EVO IX steering wheel.

Page 27: Video and pics of the Advan RS 18x8 +37 gunmetal color wheels.

Page 28: Pics of the aluminum wheel spacers for the fronts.

Page 29: The car goes to Greg's new shop for the 1st time to swap the 6G74 out for a non-MIVEC 6G75. This was the last day of the 6G74, bye!

Page 30: Pics of the car getting prepped for Greg to do his work. The Autobot badges are removed along with most of the interior pieces.

Page 31: I announce I've upgraded and bought Greg's 6G75 MIVEC motor

As of this post and until I or PharmEcis post anything different the status of this build is PharmEcis is working on the custom front subframe. Once that is done and has proven to be successful then the rest of the drivetrain will be assembled to make the V6 5 speed AWD conversion a complete success. After that then the turbo parts will be added then the tuning will be done. For more information on the AWD conversion read this thread: GT/GTS AWD conversion thread

David "silverside" Krankowski never saw this car in person, but he played a vital part in the process of getting this build done. With his knowledge of ECU's silverside helped PharmEcis get this car to pass North Carolina emissions in April 2010. Once that inspection was done it cleared the way for everything else to take place to make this the GREATEST 3G to ever see the streets. He is the first and so far only person in the world to put a 3.8L 6G75 MIVEC engine which the 4G eclipse uses into a 3G. On May 2, 2010 by chance I met David at the College Park, MD meet. He recognized me from pictures of me throughtout this thread and we hit it off immediately. He repaired my GSX later on that afternoon which enabled me to get back home that night. His knowledge, kindness and sense of humor will forever be in my memory and will forever be missed. He wanted to see this car completed and he will. R.I.P. David. I love you and thank you.

12-6-89 --5-4-10

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As of 8/18/11

MODIFICATIONS

ENGINE

• MIVEC 6G75 engine
  Custom forged Rods with ARP2000 Hardware
  ARP2000 Head Stud kit
  ARP2000 Main Stud kit
  O-Ringing of the block
  More engine upgrades to be determined

FORCED INDUCTION

• Borg Warner S366 Turbocharger
  UCS Performance Tubular Exhaust Manifolds
  UCS Perforance Custom Stainless Steel Y-Pipe and downpipe
  Custom Air to Water Intercooler kit
  Tial Q Blow Off Valve
  Greddy Evo 2 exhaust

ENGINE MANAGEMENT AND GAUGES

• Custom AEM EMS made by PharmEcis of UCS Performance
  AEM Digital Gauges (Air/Fuel Ratio, Boost, Fuel Pressure, Oil Pressure, Water Temperature)
  Grimmspeed Electronic Boost Control Solenoid

FUEL MANAGEMENT

• 550cc High Impedance Injectors
  Fuel Labs Fuel Pressure Regulator
  UCS Performance custom fuel rail
  Fuel Rail Loop Upgrade
  AN Adapters and Stainless Braided Lines
  Aeromotive 340 Stealth Fuel Pump
  NGK Copper 1 Degree Colder Spark Plugs

DRIVETRAIN/TRANSMISSION

• AWD conversion: Custom EVO VIII bellhousing, Custom front subframe, EVO VIII non-ACD transfercase, EVO VIII passenger side axle, 2G Eclipse GSX automatic tranny rear end
  Fidanza lightweight flywheel
  South Bend Custom Clutch
  Prothane High Performance Urethane Motor Mount Kit
  UCS Performance tranny shifter bushings
  Energy Suspension Polyurethane shifter stabilizer bushings
  B&M Short Shifter

SUSPENSION

• Eibach Pro-Kit Springs on KYB GR-2 shocks & struts (upgrading to KW V3 Coilovers)
  Advan RS 18x8 +37 dark gunmetallic wheels
  Custom 6.5mm wheel spacers for the fronts
  Front and Rear Brembo EVO VIII Calipers with Brembo front rotors
  Project Mu SCR rear EVO VIII rotors
  Goodridge G-Stop Stainless Steel Brake lines

AUDIO, ELECTRONICS, ENGINE BAY DRESS UP

• Pioneer AVIC N5
  Escort Passport 9500i Radar Detector
  Quicklift Redline Tuning Hood struts
  Tearstone Billet Aluminum Fluid Cap 4 Piece Set
  Custom Aluminum Radiator Brackets

INTERIOR

• EVO IX steering wheel
  Angel Instrument Gauges
  Glowshift Black Triple Gauge Pod
  SC-Customs V2 Shift Knob
  Diamond Plated floormats with Mitsu symbol
  Aftermarket black front racing seats (brand to be decided)
  Black OEM rear leather seats
  CDC lightbar

EXTERIOR

• Billet front grill
  Ebay Sonar Projector Headlights (upgrade coming soon)
  Ebay Smoked front corners
  Yellow film over the foglights
  Custom Niteshaded Tail & Reverse lights
  Alloy Fuel Door
  Debadged the V6 24Valve, Spyder and GTS emblems
  Club3G decals

MORE MODS TO COME

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A JOURNAL OF THE BUILDING OF MY 3G INTO A TURBOCHARGED 6G75 MIVEC 5 SPEED AWD MACHINE BEING BUILT BY PharmEcis, ARGUABLY THE FASTEST 3G TO DATE.


I apologize if the pics are too big. I just figured this photobucket thing out. Hope you enjoy the pics.




The interior. Glowshift gauges, instrument cluster gauge, autobot shift knob, pioneer avic-n4, escort passport 9500i radar detector, white trim kit.









A preview of where the tach/shift light will go. The fiberglass will be painted black and smoothed to look like part of the dash.

[Mister_Bishi]

I think you should swap the white trim for painted interior pieces. The Tach is a little too big for my taste i would go with a smaller shift light, something similar to this. Other than that a few changes here and there and youll be good to go.

[davila825]

great start bro but you have gotta lose the transformers emblems lol but other than that man you have got a clean looking car

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by Mister_Bishi

I think you should swap the white trim for painted interior pieces. The Tach is a little too big for my taste i would go with a smaller shift light, something similar to this. Other than that a few changes here and there and youll be good to go.

I want to paint the interior eventually, the trim is just temporary eye candy. The tach/shift light looks big on the picture but when you're sitting in the drivers seat it looks good because you're further back. The shift light you show is what I originally looked at but I didn't want to put it in the dash cluster because it blocks the gauges there and I also wanted an analog one. As you could see I had to get the fiberglass out to create a level base for it to stand on. I'm gonna install an air/fuel and oil temp gauge in the clockpod, install a racing seat for myself and install a tonneau cover and then I'm done with the interior. Right now I'm really trying to get these motors done.

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by davila825

great start bro but you have gotta lose the transformers emblems lol but other than that man you have got a clean looking car

Thanks. I like the Autobot symbols. I've gotten lots of compliments in the street for them and the kids especially love it. I'm almost done with the "show" aspect of the car, now I got to finish the "go".

[2005EclipseGs]

how did you get gauges to show on indash?

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by 2005EclipseGs

how did you get gauges to show on indash?

That's the hot part about the system, it comes with it! It has the speedometer in the middle (which you can't change), but the ones on the left and right you could switch from acceleration, clock, compass, side acceleration, slope and even voltage!

[GTclipse01]

If you're that stuck on the Autobots emblems, ditch the Spyder/GTS/3rd brake light decals.. there's just way too much going on in the rear.

Also, put a front license plate on, or shave the holes.

[Pace187]

this car has too many ebay parts for my taste, id say lose the skyward pointing mirrors, lose the "eclipse" brake light vinyl, the huge tach is pointless and will never look good, and im not a fan of the wheels, but this is also why u own it and not me, if u like it then enjoy it

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by GTclipse01

If you're that stuck on the Autobots emblems, ditch the Spyder/GTS/3rd brake light decals.. there's just way too much going on in the rear.

Also, put a front license plate on, or shave the holes.

I'll consider changing the rear. I had a front plate cover on there but it made the car look like it had a little mustache. I'll try and do something to fill it the holes better.

[piojo12002]

to start off...nice ride! i have an 03 gts spyder myself
though i dont have a camera to take pics of it or else i would show it to u guys..n e ways..
thats a clean ride dawg!
i dont really like having the orange turn signals but..i havent changed mine either..and i think ur car would look greatER if u lost the rollover thiing...but safety first
and i looooove your speedometers!
any hints on where to get some

[Voodoo]

Originally Posted by piojo12002

and i think ur car would look greatER if u lost the rollover thiing...but safety first

That is a light bar, not a safety feature. That plastic piece would do nothing but shatter in the event of a rollover.

Other than the tach, your car looks good

[bushsucks1]

lose the transformers emblems, put the stock mirrors back on, and get a short shifter, and also where did you get the head unit with the guages?? i like that

[slammy]

I've seen that before, is it cosmetic or functional?

[Voodoo]

Originally Posted by slammy

I've seen that before, is it cosmetic or functional?

Originally Posted by Voodoo

That is a light bar, not a safety feature. That plastic piece would do nothing but shatter in the event of a rollover.

[HIJACKER]

What is with the gay tach?? The car already has one - pointless mod and very childish. Remove the CD hanging from the mirror - it's not cool and doesn't make our image any better.

[bushsucks1]

Originally Posted by HIJACKER

What is with the gay tach?? The car already has one - pointless mod and very childish. Remove the CD hanging from the mirror - it's not cool and doesn't make our image any better.

or block radar from cops

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by piojo12002

to start off...nice ride! i have an 03 gts spyder myself
though i dont have a camera to take pics of it or else i would show it to u guys..n e ways..
thats a clean ride dawg!
i dont really like having the orange turn signals but..i havent changed mine either..and i think ur car would look greatER if u lost the rollover thiing...but safety first
and i looooove your speedometers!
any hints on where to get some

Thanks. I got them off E-bay.

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by Voodoo

That is a light bar, not a safety feature. That plastic piece would do nothing but shatter in the event of a rollover.

Other than the tach, your car looks good

Thanks.

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by bushsucks1

lose the transformers emblems, put the stock mirrors back on, and get a short shifter, and also where did you get the head unit with the guages?? i like that

I gotta keep the Autobot symbols, I might put the stock mirrors back on and I'm not getting a short shifter, they are literally too short. I'm not comfortable with it. The head unit is a Pioneer AVIC-N4 which comes with the gauges built in. I like that too.

[Tearstone]

I really like what you have under the hood.

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by HIJACKER

What is with the gay tach?? The car already has one - pointless mod and very childish. Remove the CD hanging from the mirror - it's not cool and doesn't make our image any better.

I just wanted a shift light but it came with a tach built in and honestly I don't really look down into my cluster to watch my rpms because it distracts me from driving so having the tach/shift light in my view hopefully works for me. I've seen smaller ones that people have put in front of the cluster and to me that's pointless especially for me because I don't look down in the cluster. The dash on the eclipse has no flat surface to put one on that's why I made the fiberglass base. It is not completed yet, but once it is installed it should look nice. The CD's are coming off though.

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by bushsucks1

or block radar from cops

I'm not trying to block any radar.

[Chad]

only thing i think you have done right so far would have to be the shifter and gauges. Im not really feeling the white trim. Take the time to take off the dash and paint it, it would look WAY better. The giant tach... Pointless if you ask me. You already have one right in front of you? If anything, just add a small shift light. Your wheels are alright.

-- Things to be done --
Paint dash
Get smoked corners
Black tyc tails
Tint rev. lights
Hide the radar power cord in the dash
Trash the eminem cd
Clean out door cubby hole
Look into black leather seats?

Its has potential! good luck

[RadEclipse]

Originally Posted by HIJACKER

What is with the gay tach?? The car already has one - pointless mod and very childish. Remove the CD hanging from the mirror - it's not cool and doesn't make our image any better.

and to think that thing is driving around the same city as me...

[eduqu0ted]

Nice whip. Is it just me or I hardly run into modded out 3gs in NYC

[Mister_Bishi]

Originally Posted by valogun

Nice whip. Is it just me or I hardly run into modded out 3gs in NYC

Where in NYC do you live, and yea theres not much modded 3g's around. A few turbo 3g's however there is an abundance of turbo galants.

[Evofan88]

Nice job on the car. but really gatta lose the Transformer man...sorry

[WolfRyder]

Dunno how I feel on the transformers stuff. Are you boosted? because the car in your avatar isnt this one

[Sh4d0wX7]

You do realize he has two 3G's?

[WolfRyder]

Yeah, an 03 and an 04, his avatar has a 00-02 bumper so I was confused.

EDIT: nvm, searched and found the story

[irwin_killer]

where did you get your dash trim kit?

[cfeyhris]

Originally Posted by valogun

Nice whip. Is it just me or I hardly run into modded out 3gs in NYC

you sir have very bad taste

[HIJACKER]

Originally Posted by irwin_killer

where did you get your dash trim kit?

I hope you don't get an answer to this question - because you need to stay as far away from that bad idea as possible.

[eduqu0ted]

Originally Posted by Mister_Bishi

Where in NYC do you live, and yea theres not much modded 3g's around. A few turbo 3g's however there is an abundance of turbo galants.

I'm from queens. a lotta garbage out here

[03ECLPSGS]

Not digging it at all.
Lose the tach (not that hard to know when to shift)
Take the white trim stickers off
Debadge the trunk
Put stock mirrors back on
Tint turn signals/rev
Other than that GL on whatever look it is you are going for.....

[Mr.3G]

your NOT optimus prime so ditch the badges. you dont need a shift light just listin you should know when to shift.

[Black Menace]

Originally Posted by Mr.3G

your NOT optimus prime so ditch the badges.

Only thing I like about the car is the color and your gauges. Everything else is gaudy as hell IMO. You should really think about doing it right and quit being so cheap about the cosmetics, at least with the way you have gone so far. But you are the one that is being laughed at is driving it, not me.

[CloudINC00]

I've always wanted to drive a supercharged v6

[CloudINC00]

Originally Posted by CloudINC00

I've always wanted to drive a supercharged v6

Wait, thats not the car in your avatar. I guess I'm getting your cars mixed up. The gauges threw me off

[Mister_Bishi]

Originally Posted by CloudINC00

Wait, thats not the car in your avatar. I guess I'm getting your cars mixed up. The gauges threw me off

Yes it is, he transferred the SC to another 3G he bought . Seen it personally.

[wright06jhs]

Nice spyder but i would do alot of things to clean it up a bit. Black housing tunr signals, tinted everse lights, black-ish tail lights, debadge rear, and clear-smoked thrid brake light. I dont like the transformer emblems either but its whatever you like i guess.

[Nucking Futz]

What kinda wheels are those btw?

[scarr]

Originally Posted by Nucking Futz

What kinda rims are those btw?

WHEELS, not rims.

rims are just the outside part of the wheel, that the tire attaches to.
the spokes attach to that, and the center is the HUB.

using the word rims is wrong, they are wheels.

[Nucking Futz]

K, I edited my post just for you

[scarr]

now that you asked the right question i have an answer for you:
XXR 001
it says in his profile.

[White Knight]

i'm sorry, but that car is not my taste at all. you may like it, but IMO go back to stock and start over




edit 1/23/11 : i completely take back the above stated comment, i absolutely love what you are now doing with your car

[finesse49ers]

I see I've received a lot of feedback in the last month, some positive mostly negative LOL but it's cool. I could take it. The car has changed from those pictures however. It now has black housing front turn signals, tinted tail and reverse lights. There is a Greddy EVO2 exhaust I swapped over. The tach/shift light was never installed by the way and the CD was removed from the mirror. The black front grill is now flush with the bumper. The dash trim kit MIGHT go but the Autobot badges aren't. They're my personal liking. I've seen numerous cars driving around with autobot "stickers" that were oversized and when I put these on I've received plenty of compliments and have been asked where did I get them from. A definite change that is coming will be a 3.5l turbo kit from PharmEcis. A friend and I drove down to his residence to give him a deposit on the motor on May 1st. For those who haven't met him he's a very good guy and definetely knows his stuff. Like I mentioned I brought a friend who knows about mechanics and engines with me and what was intended to be a quick drop off of the deposit turned out to us talking about 2 hours about cars. The motor should be done hopefully in 5 weeks tops. Also just for clarity, this car (Spyder) is not the one in my avatar. The car in my avatar was my 1st 3g which I supercharged and have since sold. I bought 04MOJOGT's 3g and did a motor swap with the supercharger plus other upgrades. Misti Bishi has stated he has seen it personally which is true. We were both driving and he recognized the car and we started talking and he even gave me a door speaker that I needed for free. That 3g I want to sell by the way. The outside of the car hasn't changed from when 04MOJOGT had it but of course it has been upgraded CONSIDERABLY internally. But back to the Spyder, it is a work in progress like I stated in the title of the thread. I'll have some more pics posted when the weather cooperates. Later.

[finesse49ers]

Just bullshitting around yesterday, decided to take some pics with the phone.

[3GJackal]

im from the ghetto homie . . . i was raised on bread and bologna

I lol'd @ the little kid in the window.

nice car?

omg a transformer!

[Black Menace]

I guess what I don't understand is how you can go and buy something so tastefully modded and eye appealing as 04MOJO's 3G and do something so "ricerific"? I'm not suggesting that you go ahead and mimic the hard top 3G but I think 04MOJO's old car should be more than enough to give you tasteful ideas on what route to go. It's your car, of course and I understand that, but my god, I love the Transformers but not enough to do that to my car. Unless you like people pointing and laughing at you. Everytime I see that "badge" I say

[scarr]

well.. i like the light bar. i wish i could bring myself to spend that much on one. (i cannot find one for less than 400 bucks)

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by Black Menace

I guess what I don't understand is how you can go and buy something so tastefully modded and eye appealing as 04MOJO's 3G and do something so "ricerific"? I'm not suggesting that you go ahead and mimic the hard top 3G but I think 04MOJO's old car should be more than enough to give you tasteful ideas on what route to go. It's your car, of course and I understand that, but my god, I love the Transformers but not enough to do that to my car. Unless you like people pointing and laughing at you. Everytime I see that "badge" I say

I changed the taillights, front and rear corners. The car is not "finished" yet however. What's "ricerific" about it? The dash trim kit is going to be removed and I'll have it painted similar to this:



OR:



I'll have the front license plate holes filled in and once I get my 3.6+L turbo motor from Pharmecis I'll debadge the vehicle. Here in NY there are a lot of vehicles with big Autobot stickers on them that to me look out of place. My badges are small and I get plenty of compliments about them. If that's "ricerific" then so be it because it can't be the gauges, the head unit, the radar detector, the roll/light bar, the side mirrors, the front grill insert, the wheels, the exhaust, the drop, the lights or the lack of a body kit.

[scarr]

well it definitely could be the mirrors, they like they are trying to fly away, and do follow the lines of the car... at all. and the wheels, well they look overdone, for the car too. but the emblems, are the kicker. and perhaps you could straighten the grill. it having the double bow, looks odd, and out of place.

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by scarr

well.. i like the light bar. i wish i could bring myself to spend that much on one. (i cannot find one for less than 400 bucks)

Thanks. I bought this one I think a year ago. It was under $400 then. A member on here or the .org was trying to do a group buy but never got enough people and I couldn't wait so I bought it on my own.

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by scarr

well it definitely could be the mirrors, they like they are trying to fly away, and do follow the lines of the car... at all. and the wheels, well they look overdone, for the car too. but the emblems, are the kicker. and perhaps you could straighten the grill. it having the double bow, looks odd, and out of place.

I'm thinking about putting the stock mirrors back on. I've seen a couple of 3G's on here with these mirrors after I put mine on and everyone was wetting their pants over them, oh well. The wheels look better in person but I'm more than likely going to end up changing them to fit a big brake kit, Brembos definitely won't fit and I don't believe Baers will either. I'll straighten out the grill. The emblems are staying however. I can't please everyone here and since the emblems are what everyone seems to dislike I'll take that. Everything else is minor and will be addressed.

[3GJackal]

Only thing that gets me is that you actually seem to at least half way know what you're talking about, but it's not translating into a tastefully modded car. As long as those emblems are on the car no one here is going to take you seriously. You say "the kids like them" well I personally mod my car for a different audience. Also the wheels belong on a ghett0 Impala or something, they simply look tacky and take away from the overall look of the car. OEM badges + a set of nice wheels and your car would look 100% better.

[finesse49ers]

Originally Posted by 3GJackal

Only thing that gets me is that you actually seem to at least half way know what you're talking about, but it's not translating into a tastefully modded car. As long as those emblems are on the car no one here is going to take you seriously. You say "the kids like them" well I personally mod my car for a different audience. Also the wheels belong on a ghett0 Impala or something, they simply look tacky and take away from the overall look of the car. OEM badges + a set of nice wheels and your car would look 100% better.

I like the emblems, I mentioned kids like them also, but adults have also complimented and asked where to get them. I mentioned that vehicles here in NY have big oversized stickers and decals of the Autobot emblem on them and they're not driven by kids. All in all it's just a car. About being taken serious when it comes to modding, I don't understand. Performance wise I would say I'm very serious. I guess when it comes to looks I'm going against the grain. Like I mentioned before the dash kit will go and be replaced by paint. The stock mirrors will go back on. I'll remove the "V6 24valve", "Spyder", and "GTS" emblems once I have the new motor installed. The wheels will have to go in favor of new ones that'll fit over a Big Brake Kit. Once that's all done I guess the emblems will be all that's left to harp on and like I mentioned before I'll take that.

[scarr]

those mirrors are one of the examples of things that were not made for our cars, but adapted to fit.... kinda. like the blitz kit. it fits, but looks like crap on 3Gs (glad you didn't put one of those on). many members have parts that they like that others will not. your emblems, my headlights, etc.. some things look bad, and are cheap (your dash kit, and mirrors) other things look odd, and are expensive (your wheels). remember people are posting their opinions, don't take offense, just move on, but listen and think about what they say.

you know... come to think of it... that light bar looks like crap, you should sell it to me for 20 bucks.. so i can.. ummm... dispose of it. :P

[3GJackal]

Originally Posted by finesse49ers

I mentioned that vehicles here in NY have big oversized stickers and decals of the Autobot emblem on them and they're not driven by kids.

Sooo I guess if everyone in my area did crack and robbed convenient stores then it would be ok for me to do it too? Heh, I'm just giving you a hard time man . . . but seriously just because it's the "in" thing to do doesn't mean you have to follow the norm, unless you care about fitting in. With the sequel coming out you probably feel even cooler with the emblems huh? I can't win, it's your car, do what you want.