Slave/Master Cyl. or Clutch?

itz_tha_dre · 12/16/2009, 09:27 AM

Morning all.

I own a 2002 Eclipse RS-Turbo MANUAL 5-spd. Had an ACT2100 clutch installed because my stock would slip, but with the OEM flywheel.

PROBLEM

Last week, drove my car in the snow, spun the wheels a bit, and noticed this smell like wires were burning (or plastic), went away after the car sat for a bit.

Drove it normally home, and no smell, but I noticed if I got on it a tiny bit (just below boost) and shifted gears slowly, while pressing down on the clutch, it would make this low groaning sound, but ONLY if I got on it a tiny bit. Then I realized doing that caused that smell.

So 3 days ago, about to use my car to go to work, girlfriend starts it, says there was a noise coming from the clutch, so she took it out of 1st and started it in neutral, which was okay. I get in the car (while on), go to put it in first, and it doesn't want to; it doesn't want to go in any gear.

DIAGNOSIS

Turn the car off, and it goes in gear. I started it in 1st gear with the clutch pressed down and the car jerks; which leads me to believe that the clutch is NOT disengaging when I press it.

Now, from what I've read online, it could obviously be a number of different things, but I'm mainly thinking (HOPING) its a hydraulic problem, but what is throwing me off is that there's no leaks in the slave/master cylinder, and I still have pressure in my clutch. (also noticed my clutch fluid is very black, with oily spots, and very low)

2 weird occurrences...

1. Revved it up a bit in neutral, and heard this distinct crackling sound for a moment.
2. At one point, after messing with the cap to the clutch fluid, I was able to put it in gear with the car on, but then when I shut the hood to test drive it, it wouldn't move anymore.

Has anyone had any experience with this?

GAMEPLAN

Here is my gameplan; fill and bleed the clutch 1st, eliminate that possibility of air in it. Next, change the master/slave cylinders if it still doesn't work, and then finally, open the trans.

Any other suggestions?

Black_out · 12/16/2009, 10:12 AM

I'd start with bleeding the cylinder, that's an easy thing to get out of the way. Also isn't there an adjustment for the armature that disengages the clutch? I'm not sure whether or not there is, but I think I remember seeing somewhere that there is.

itz_tha_dre · 12/16/2009, 10:55 AM

Yeah actually I think there is. I'll have to look into that as well after I'm done bleeding the clutch.

Thanks! Going to do it hopefully this weekend or when its not freezing outside.

4g63lover · 12/16/2009, 11:18 AM

when you replaced the clutch, did you replace the throw out bearing?

itz_tha_dre · 12/16/2009, 12:03 PM

I actually didn't do it, but I think my mechanic used whatever parts came with the clutch, so yes I think it was replaced.

4g63lover · 12/16/2009, 12:29 PM

you mentioned that your fluid is very black. The dirt comes from the rubber inside the master and slave coming apart. It may be time to replace both.

itz_tha_dre · 12/16/2009, 01:09 PM

Thanks. Definitely going to do that if the bleeding doesn't work.

BakerGs · 12/17/2009, 06:07 PM

Ive had this same problem. My car would not go into gear at all. It came to me replacing the slave and master cylinder. 1 month later my tranny took a shit lol.

itz_tha_dre · 12/18/2009, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BakerGs

Ive had this same problem. My car would not go into gear at all. It came to me replacing the slave and master cylinder. 1 month later my tranny took a shit lol.

Haha oh boy, well I'm hoping it's just the slave/master cylinder. Going to try to bleed it this weekend and see what's up.

Thanks for the input everyone!

cyp65 · 12/18/2009, 08:34 AM

Something in my clutch system took a crap when I was heading home about two months ago. Was driving down the interstate, traffic slowed up, I went to push in the clutch to shift and put the pedal to the floor (no pressure was built up in the system).

Does your clutch pedal still feel normal?
Can you pump the clutch pedal and get the car to go in gear while running?

Even though I was pretty sure that bleeding wouldn't do anything I still tried it. If the slave cylinder or master cylinder is letting air into the system, no amount of bleeding will improve the system them.

From what others have said about the slave cylinder rebuild kits, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I got mine at autozone ... threw it in and it worked great.

I also took the safe route and replaced the clutch master cylinder at the same time to make sure everything was fixed.

Bleeding took awhile since I did it the old fashion way.

Good Luck!

itz_tha_dre · 12/22/2009, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyp65

Something in my clutch system took a crap when I was heading home about two months ago. Was driving down the interstate, traffic slowed up, I went to push in the clutch to shift and put the pedal to the floor (no pressure was built up in the system).

Does your clutch pedal still feel normal?
Can you pump the clutch pedal and get the car to go in gear while running?

Even though I was pretty sure that bleeding wouldn't do anything I still tried it. If the slave cylinder or master cylinder is letting air into the system, no amount of bleeding will improve the system them.

From what others have said about the slave cylinder rebuild kits, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I got mine at autozone ... threw it in and it worked great.

I also took the safe route and replaced the clutch master cylinder at the same time to make sure everything was fixed.

Bleeding took awhile since I did it the old fashion way.

Good Luck!

Interesting...

The pressure of the clutch does still feel the same; it feels the same whether or not the car is on.

If the car is on and running and I press the clutch pedal, and try to go into gear, it doesn't want to. I've tried pumping the clutch with the car on and putting it into gear, and nothing.

If it was a slave/master cylinder problem, wouldn't I lose pressure in the clutch? It honestly feels like it always has... it just doesn't do anything.

Haven't tried to bleed the clutch yet; if you haven't heard, the tri-state area got hit with a pretty big winter storm this past weekend so I've been pretty busy. Definitely going to try this weekend..

Ithinkyou · 12/23/2009, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itz_tha_dre

Morning all.

I own a 2002 Eclipse RS-Turbo MANUAL 5-spd. Had an ACT2100 clutch installed because my stock would slip, but with the OEM flywheel.

PROBLEM

Last week, drove my car in the snow, spun the wheels a bit, and noticed this smell like wires were burning (or plastic), went away after the car sat for a bit.

Drove it normally home, and no smell, but I noticed if I got on it a tiny bit (just below boost) and shifted gears slowly, while pressing down on the clutch, it would make this low groaning sound, but ONLY if I got on it a tiny bit. Then I realized doing that caused that smell.

So 3 days ago, about to use my car to go to work, girlfriend starts it, says there was a noise coming from the clutch, so she took it out of 1st and started it in neutral, which was okay. I get in the car (while on), go to put it in first, and it doesn't want to; it doesn't want to go in any gear.

DIAGNOSIS

Turn the car off, and it goes in gear. I started it in 1st gear with the clutch pressed down and the car jerks; which leads me to believe that the clutch is NOT disengaging when I press it.

Now, from what I've read online, it could obviously be a number of different things, but I'm mainly thinking (HOPING) its a hydraulic problem, but what is throwing me off is that there's no leaks in the slave/master cylinder, and I still have pressure in my clutch. (also noticed my clutch fluid is very black, with oily spots, and very low)

2 weird occurrences...

1. Revved it up a bit in neutral, and heard this distinct crackling sound for a moment.
2. At one point, after messing with the cap to the clutch fluid, I was able to put it in gear with the car on, but then when I shut the hood to test drive it, it wouldn't move anymore.

Has anyone had any experience with this?

GAMEPLAN

Here is my gameplan; fill and bleed the clutch 1st, eliminate that possibility of air in it. Next, change the master/slave cylinders if it still doesn't work, and then finally, open the trans.

Any other suggestions?

Ill say it just to say it... check the cheaper stuff 1st. but ive had similar symptoms like yours before the lockup. My 1st an second gears were toatst. Completely broken between the teeth all the way around the 2 gears. I think its still trans related just in a different spot. MY trans did make some shitty sounds like that after the rebuild and being boosted.

My story:
Couple times, before i was boosted. Id get on it and wind it out for a little fun and smell this nasty burning smell very briefly. It was the winter of 07 so my belts were squeeling alot an made the same smell so i never though my tranny was takin a shit on me an to take it easy.
2nd recurring symptom leading up to the lockout was at idle the car would bog itself an try to move as if i was putting it in gear but i wasnt at all. It would get really bad some days but never happen on other days.
Locout day. Was goin for a ride with gf. On start up in neutral the car tried to launch on me. I restarted then it was fine. Took a drive around the block and it was getting stiffer but tolerable. One particular light. I rollout, try to goto 2nd an the fuckin stick woulldnt move. I had to drive through nieghbor hoods to get home, stuck in 1st. TOtally locked out

tried pulling with my whole body an it wouldnt budge. That was when i got it rebuilt right before w went to suck through an finally was boosted.

KlipseJT · 12/28/2009, 04:26 AM

My car was doing the same thing all i had to do was replace the master cylinder, you dont notice it leaking because with the master cylinder when the seals go out it leaks to the inside of the car between the carpet and firewall.

bhavick10 · 12/28/2009, 10:12 AM

has anyone really thought about the possibility that the clutch needs to be worn in
just saying
and also ive got that same grinding noise, mostly in first but i have a fidanza flywheel and Exedy staged II which is a strip racing clutch
so im having fun with mine
but i do have air in mine because the biting point changes from time to time

Black_out · 12/28/2009, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavick10

has anyone really thought about the possibility that the clutch needs to be worn in
just saying

Because the clutch is definitely touching something when it's DISENGAGED.

itz_tha_dre · 01/02/2010, 12:31 PM

Happy New Year everyone...

Changed my clutch fluid about a week ago, started it up, and it went into gear with the car on! Drove it around for a bit, and then it started making this weird noise, like an inconsistent squealing sort of noise.

Drove the car back to my garage, and noticed a greenish/olive color, oily fluid dripping by the transmission.

Anyone know what kind of liquid that is?.. and what would cause that noise? (I'm thinking that liquid has something to do with it)

It wasn't leaking on the inside of my car by the master cylinder...

cyp65 · 01/02/2010, 12:50 PM

I would say that its either the fluid from the clutch system or its fluid from the transmission. Either way you have some problem there.

Check the level of your clutch master cylinder to see if something has leaked out or if its lower than when you just replaced it. If you didnt flush the system, the remainder of the fluid could have caused the new fluid to take on the different color. I know the stuff that was left over in the slave cylinder was dirty before I took everything apart and cleaned it.

As to the squealing, that makes me believe its something like a pilot bearing or internal to the trans. I personally woudl stop at Autozone, but the slave cylinder rebuild kit, pull the slave cylinder off, flush the system, rebuild the slave cylinder and see if that makes a difference. It should only take you about an hour and cost less than $20 bucks. If that doesnt help, maybe pulling the trans is something you should consider.

itz_tha_dre · 01/02/2010, 02:47 PM

Just checked the clutch fluid level; it looks to be the same as when I filled it.

As for trans fluid... I thought that was a reddish color?

Anyways, thanks for the input. I think I'll go ahead and replace the master cylinder/slave and try to find the source of that leak.

I'll keep you guys updated. Thanks again.

4g63lover · 01/03/2010, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itz_tha_dre

Just checked the clutch fluid level; it looks to be the same as when I filled it.

As for trans fluid... I thought that was a reddish color?

Anyways, thanks for the input. I think I'll go ahead and replace the master cylinder/slave and try to find the source of that leak.

I'll keep you guys updated. Thanks again.

RED fluid is ATX fluid.

I would look around the trans and see if it's leaking anywhere. Looks for cracks in the case.

Key spot to look for leaks besides finding a crack is around the axles, or the pan.

Your mechanic, might've ruined your axle seals by improperly removing the axles during your clutch replacement. And the gasket for the pan might be past it and might need replacing.

itz_tha_dre · 01/03/2010, 11:39 AM

Actually, there is a slow drip...

It's where the RED arrow is in the picture. Below that, there's a picture of the color fluid that's dripping.

4g63lover · 01/04/2010, 03:08 AM

its dripping out of the bellhousing? Thats not good, might be the input shaft seal.

itz_tha_dre · 01/04/2010, 10:10 AM

That's what it seems like; I have to check to see if it's coming from higher up, but it doesn't look like it is.

Is that the correct color of the transmission fluid? I'm not too familiar with how transmissions work; what type of work is involved in fixing this?

tomsoutdoor · 01/04/2010, 10:57 AM

some gear oil looks green,the cheap stuff!
i am doing the master cylinder today! fricken cold weather is a bitch. sorry for the bad luck.

tomsoutdoor · 01/04/2010, 10:58 AM

if it's axle seals it won't be to bad,if it's from inside bellhousing you get to pull the tranny again.

Spawnamus · 01/21/2010, 05:08 PM

hey man i have a v6 with the exact probs as you, but i have no leaks. did you ever fix yours?

itz_tha_dre · 01/22/2010, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spawnamus

hey man i have a v6 with the exact probs as you, but i have no leaks. did you ever fix yours?

Nah not yet; the car's just been sitting in the garage.

I don't have the time, equipment, or knowledge to drop a transmission so right now I'm trying to price it out.

I guess I should have them check everything while the thing is out as well; I know it'll probably cost upwards of $800. Nice.

Spawn, what you should do is make sure your clutch fluid is at the right level; if it's low, bleed your clutch and replace the fluid in it. That actually helped my clutch problem, as far as I know.

itz_tha_dre · 01/22/2010, 03:32 PM

Can anyone tell me how I can add transmission fluid?

Is it easily accessible?

4g63lover · 01/22/2010, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomsoutdoor

if it's axle seals it won't be to bad,if it's from inside bellhousing you get to pull the tranny again.

if it's the axle seal, it'll be farther back. If it's coming out from the bellhousing I'm almost positive it's an input shaft seal.

4g63lover · 01/22/2010, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itz_tha_dre

Can anyone tell me how I can add transmission fluid?

Is it easily accessible?

It's pretty easy.

If you look at where the slave cylinder is, if you look towards the driver side of the trans, you will see a bolt that looks like a drain plug. That bolts has "oil" written on it. Might be hard to see if it's dirty or rusty under there. That's where you fill it with gear oil. The 4 cylinder takes 2.3 quarts before it starts dripping out of the hole where you just filled it in. The V6 takes 3 quarts. I always just put 3 quarts in my I4.

But from the picture you posted, idk if adding fluid is going to change anything if it's leaking out of the belhousing. I bet the clutch is swimming in it. When you drove it, did it feel like the clutch was slipping?

itz_tha_dre · 01/25/2010, 08:14 AM

4g63, not that I recall; it felt fine actually, pretty normal. I just remember that it grabbed really low (a lot lower than it previously did) and after I was done driving it (around the neighborhood for like 3 min), it started making a weird click/squeal type of sound, and that's when I noticed the puddle of gear oil under my car.

I'm guessing that the oil was pretty low, and that was causing the noise.

When I put it back in the garage, it continued leaking a lot, and I'm assuming all of it leaked out.

I'll have to update this page after I get it towed to a shop and let you guys know what the actual problem is.

Thanks for all of your advice/input!

Spawnamus · 01/25/2010, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Spawn, what you should do is make sure your clutch fluid is at the right level; if it's low, bleed your clutch and replace the fluid in it. That actually helped my clutch problem, as far as I know

Yeah I did and bled the clutch it helped, I have also put royal purpe trans fluid, too. I am taking it to a pro this week to drive it, I hope it is the master or slave i have allready spent a 1000 on the clutch. but if not, I am pullin that sucker myself!

shata · 01/26/2010, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BakerGs

Ive had this same problem. My car would not go into gear at all. It came to me replacing the slave and master cylinder. 1 month later my tranny took a shit lol.

Oh dont even say that i have this problem right now too, Im gona be pissed if tranny goes to.

itz_tha_dre · 03/08/2010, 09:33 AM

All,

UPDATE - I have my car at the shop, and apparently some of the teeth? of the clutch broke off and put a hole in my transmission, causing it to leak out the gear oil.

So now, I have to get a new clutch and hopefully they can weld it back up.

The clutch I had was an ACT2100, and I don't think I'm going to be getting ACT anymore. It's been on for about a year and this happened.

Anyone have any recommendations? Exedy? Clutchmasters?

itz_tha_dre · 03/08/2010, 10:30 AM

Well, I ended up getting a Clutchmasters FX200 clutch. Hopefully this won't break like the ACT2100 did.

Black_out · 03/08/2010, 11:19 AM

I've had the same clutch in my 01 GT for a couple years now. It's seen a few track passes and taken some beatings on the road and still pulls like new. FX200 =

itz_tha_dre · 03/08/2010, 11:37 AM

Actually, I just changed my mind and went with the FX300. It says that it's made for small turbo applications. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Thanks for the input though Black out!

Black_out · 03/08/2010, 11:39 AM

Either way, as far as I know the FX200 has been in my 3g for at least 5 years (~60k) and still works great, so I can only imagine the 300 is just as good.

itz_tha_dre · 03/18/2010, 09:11 AM

Well, the Clutchmasters clutch disc was a complete fail.

The splines wouldn't line up with the clutch disc properly and it wouldn't even fit; and this was for TWO of the clutch discs. (they sent me another one to see if it was the part that was defective, but it wasn't)

So NOW I have to return BOTH the extra clutch disc as well as the kit that I got back to Clutchmasters.

However, those that I spoke with (Dan from Wesellcarparts and Luis from Clutchmasters) were and are both VERY helpful with this process.

I am frustrated that I'm the only SOB having this luck with this car, but at least they are there to help me through it.

I think I'll have to go with the ACT MB1-HDG6 or HDR6; does anyone know if it would be too much for ~300 hp or should I be okay?

Thanks again everyone.

Black_out · 03/18/2010, 12:50 PM

Hm... makes me wonder if mine acts funny because of that too.

itz_tha_dre · 03/18/2010, 06:05 PM

Black out, have you noticed anything "funny"?

I actually went with the MB1-XTG6. Should be enough for what I'm going for.

MandaMarie00 · 03/18/2010, 06:40 PM

Glad that you found the problem, If I had noticed the thread when you started it I would have told you it was the clutch. Mine acted the exact same way when it went.

The mechanic showed me the clutch after he pulled it out, one of the springs had come out completely. Apparently I had drove 600 miles like that, it stopped going into gear when I hit traffic in D.C.

12/16/2009, 09:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Slave/Master Cyl. or Clutch? Morning all. I own a 2002 Eclipse RS-Turbo MANUAL 5-spd. Had an ACT2100 clutch installed because my stock would slip, but with the OEM flywheel. PROBLEM Last week, drove my car in the snow, spun the wheels a bit, and noticed this smell like wires were burning (or plastic), went away after the car sat for a bit. Drove it normally home, and no smell, but I noticed if I got on it a tiny bit (just below boost) and shifted gears slowly, while pressing down on the clutch, it would make this low groaning sound, but ONLY if I got on it a tiny bit. Then I realized doing that caused that smell. So 3 days ago, about to use my car to go to work, girlfriend starts it, says there was a noise coming from the clutch, so she took it out of 1st and started it in neutral, which was okay. I get in the car (while on), go to put it in first, and it doesn't want to; it doesn't want to go in any gear. DIAGNOSIS Turn the car off, and it goes in gear. I started it in 1st gear with the clutch pressed down and the car jerks; which leads me to believe that the clutch is NOT disengaging when I press it. Now, from what I've read online, it could obviously be a number of different things, but I'm mainly thinking (HOPING) its a hydraulic problem, but what is throwing me off is that there's no leaks in the slave/master cylinder, and I still have pressure in my clutch. (also noticed my clutch fluid is very black, with oily spots, and very low) 2 weird occurrences... 1. Revved it up a bit in neutral, and heard this distinct crackling sound for a moment. 2. At one point, after messing with the cap to the clutch fluid, I was able to put it in gear with the car on, but then when I shut the hood to test drive it, it wouldn't move anymore. Has anyone had any experience with this? GAMEPLAN Here is my gameplan; fill and bleed the clutch 1st, eliminate that possibility of air in it. Next, change the master/slave cylinders if it still doesn't work, and then finally, open the trans. Any other suggestions? Last edited by itz_tha_dre; 12/16/2009 at 09:43 AM.

12/16/2009, 11:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
4g63lover Galant Tuner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Gilberts, IL Vehicle: 2000 Mitsubishi Galant ES Posts: 173	when you replaced the clutch, did you replace the throw out bearing? __________________ 00' Mitsubishi Galant ES

12/16/2009, 12:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
4g63lover Galant Tuner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Gilberts, IL Vehicle: 2000 Mitsubishi Galant ES Posts: 173	you mentioned that your fluid is very black. The dirt comes from the rubber inside the master and slave coming apart. It may be time to replace both. __________________ 00' Mitsubishi Galant ES

01/02/2010, 12:31 PM	#16 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Happy New Year everyone... Changed my clutch fluid about a week ago, started it up, and it went into gear with the car on! Drove it around for a bit, and then it started making this weird noise, like an inconsistent squealing sort of noise. Drove the car back to my garage, and noticed a greenish/olive color, oily fluid dripping by the transmission. Anyone know what kind of liquid that is?.. and what would cause that noise? (I'm thinking that liquid has something to do with it) It wasn't leaking on the inside of my car by the master cylinder... Last edited by itz_tha_dre; 01/02/2010 at 12:45 PM.

01/04/2010, 03:08 AM	#21 (permalink)
4g63lover Galant Tuner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Gilberts, IL Vehicle: 2000 Mitsubishi Galant ES Posts: 173	its dripping out of the bellhousing? Thats not good, might be the input shaft seal. __________________ 00' Mitsubishi Galant ES

12/16/2009, 10:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Yeah actually I think there is. I'll have to look into that as well after I'm done bleeding the clutch. Thanks! Going to do it hopefully this weekend or when its not freezing outside.

12/16/2009, 12:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	I actually didn't do it, but I think my mechanic used whatever parts came with the clutch, so yes I think it was replaced.

12/16/2009, 01:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Thanks. Definitely going to do that if the bleeding doesn't work.

12/17/2009, 06:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
BakerGs Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Pasadena, Maryland Vehicle: 00 Gs-T Posts: 51	Ive had this same problem. My car would not go into gear at all. It came to me replacing the slave and master cylinder. 1 month later my tranny took a shit lol.

12/18/2009, 08:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
cyp65 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA Vehicle: 2000 Eclipse GS Posts: 154	Something in my clutch system took a crap when I was heading home about two months ago. Was driving down the interstate, traffic slowed up, I went to push in the clutch to shift and put the pedal to the floor (no pressure was built up in the system). Does your clutch pedal still feel normal? Can you pump the clutch pedal and get the car to go in gear while running? Even though I was pretty sure that bleeding wouldn't do anything I still tried it. If the slave cylinder or master cylinder is letting air into the system, no amount of bleeding will improve the system them. From what others have said about the slave cylinder rebuild kits, sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. I got mine at autozone ... threw it in and it worked great. I also took the safe route and replaced the clutch master cylinder at the same time to make sure everything was fixed. Bleeding took awhile since I did it the old fashion way. Good Luck!

12/28/2009, 04:26 AM	#13 (permalink)
KlipseJT Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Beaufort, SC Vehicle: 2000 Eclipse GS Posts: 29	My car was doing the same thing all i had to do was replace the master cylinder, you dont notice it leaking because with the master cylinder when the seals go out it leaks to the inside of the car between the carpet and firewall.

12/28/2009, 10:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
bhavick10 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: naptown Vehicle: 2000 Eclipse V6 Posts: 8	has anyone really thought about the possibility that the clutch needs to be worn in just saying and also ive got that same grinding noise, mostly in first but i have a fidanza flywheel and Exedy staged II which is a strip racing clutch so im having fun with mine but i do have air in mine because the biting point changes from time to time

01/02/2010, 12:50 PM	#17 (permalink)
cyp65 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA Vehicle: 2000 Eclipse GS Posts: 154	I would say that its either the fluid from the clutch system or its fluid from the transmission. Either way you have some problem there. Check the level of your clutch master cylinder to see if something has leaked out or if its lower than when you just replaced it. If you didnt flush the system, the remainder of the fluid could have caused the new fluid to take on the different color. I know the stuff that was left over in the slave cylinder was dirty before I took everything apart and cleaned it. As to the squealing, that makes me believe its something like a pilot bearing or internal to the trans. I personally woudl stop at Autozone, but the slave cylinder rebuild kit, pull the slave cylinder off, flush the system, rebuild the slave cylinder and see if that makes a difference. It should only take you about an hour and cost less than $20 bucks. If that doesnt help, maybe pulling the trans is something you should consider.

01/02/2010, 02:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Just checked the clutch fluid level; it looks to be the same as when I filled it. As for trans fluid... I thought that was a reddish color? Anyways, thanks for the input. I think I'll go ahead and replace the master cylinder/slave and try to find the source of that leak. I'll keep you guys updated. Thanks again.

01/03/2010, 11:39 AM	#20 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Actually, there is a slow drip... It's where the RED arrow is in the picture. Below that, there's a picture of the color fluid that's dripping.

01/04/2010, 10:10 AM	#22 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	That's what it seems like; I have to check to see if it's coming from higher up, but it doesn't look like it is. Is that the correct color of the transmission fluid? I'm not too familiar with how transmissions work; what type of work is involved in fixing this?

01/04/2010, 10:57 AM	#23 (permalink)
tomsoutdoor what recall!!! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: s,illinois or timbucktoo Vehicle: 03 spyder gts Posts: 634	some gear oil looks green,the cheap stuff! i am doing the master cylinder today! fricken cold weather is a bitch. sorry for the bad luck. __________________ WHAT RECALL! 250K &STILL LIKE NEW

01/04/2010, 10:58 AM	#24 (permalink)
tomsoutdoor what recall!!! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: s,illinois or timbucktoo Vehicle: 03 spyder gts Posts: 634	if it's axle seals it won't be to bad,if it's from inside bellhousing you get to pull the tranny again. __________________ WHAT RECALL! 250K &STILL LIKE NEW

01/21/2010, 05:08 PM	#25 (permalink)
Spawnamus Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dallas Vehicle: 02 stratus Posts: 34	hey man i have a v6 with the exact probs as you, but i have no leaks. did you ever fix yours?

01/22/2010, 03:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Can anyone tell me how I can add transmission fluid? Is it easily accessible?

01/25/2010, 08:14 AM	#30 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	4g63, not that I recall; it felt fine actually, pretty normal. I just remember that it grabbed really low (a lot lower than it previously did) and after I was done driving it (around the neighborhood for like 3 min), it started making a weird click/squeal type of sound, and that's when I noticed the puddle of gear oil under my car. I'm guessing that the oil was pretty low, and that was causing the noise. When I put it back in the garage, it continued leaking a lot, and I'm assuming all of it leaked out. I'll have to update this page after I get it towed to a shop and let you guys know what the actual problem is. Thanks for all of your advice/input!

03/08/2010, 09:33 AM	#33 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	All, UPDATE - I have my car at the shop, and apparently some of the teeth? of the clutch broke off and put a hole in my transmission, causing it to leak out the gear oil. So now, I have to get a new clutch and hopefully they can weld it back up. The clutch I had was an ACT2100, and I don't think I'm going to be getting ACT anymore. It's been on for about a year and this happened. Anyone have any recommendations? Exedy? Clutchmasters?

03/08/2010, 10:30 AM	#34 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Well, I ended up getting a Clutchmasters FX200 clutch. Hopefully this won't break like the ACT2100 did.

03/08/2010, 11:37 AM	#36 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Actually, I just changed my mind and went with the FX300. It says that it's made for small turbo applications. I'd rather be safe than sorry. Thanks for the input though Black out!

03/18/2010, 09:11 AM	#38 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Well, the Clutchmasters clutch disc was a complete fail. The splines wouldn't line up with the clutch disc properly and it wouldn't even fit; and this was for TWO of the clutch discs. (they sent me another one to see if it was the part that was defective, but it wasn't) So NOW I have to return BOTH the extra clutch disc as well as the kit that I got back to Clutchmasters. However, those that I spoke with (Dan from Wesellcarparts and Luis from Clutchmasters) were and are both VERY helpful with this process. I am frustrated that I'm the only SOB having this luck with this car, but at least they are there to help me through it. I think I'll have to go with the ACT MB1-HDG6 or HDR6; does anyone know if it would be too much for ~300 hp or should I be okay? Thanks again everyone.

03/18/2010, 06:05 PM	#40 (permalink)
itz_tha_dre Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Vehicle: 2002 RS Eclipse Posts: 264	Black out, have you noticed anything "funny"? I actually went with the MB1-XTG6. Should be enough for what I'm going for.

03/18/2010, 06:40 PM	#41 (permalink)
MandaMarie00 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canton, GA Vehicle: 00 RS/ 91 Maxima Posts: 314	Glad that you found the problem, If I had noticed the thread when you started it I would have told you it was the clutch. Mine acted the exact same way when it went. The mechanic showed me the clutch after he pulled it out, one of the springs had come out completely. Apparently I had drove 600 miles like that, it stopped going into gear when I hit traffic in D.C.