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Old 11/10/2010, 12:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Brand new Brakes Grinding

So, I just put on new rotors and pads in the rear. As well as new fluid in the system, and new front brakes about 3 +/- months ago. Now, I am a decent enough mechanic that I feel everything went ok, but I believe any mistake could have been made. So, the first thing I noticed was a grinding while I am braking, louder at slower speeds. The second is a rubbing at lower speeds with no braking (as well as in turns, it does get louder in turns). I did compress the wheel cylinders all the way, and use that fluid level as my indicator level..... So it may be possible that there is too much fluid, and maybe the pads can't retract all the way. .... But that makes no sense, I think I'm just kind of digging for answeres there.

Also, kind of related, over the past month or so, there has been a pulsating noise when I brake that I assosiated with the fact that I knew I needed new rear pads. Except that It is still there among these new noises. If anyone could help me with either issue, it would be apreciated. I will be opening it up when I get home from work tomorrow. thanks guys
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I did compress the wheel cylinders all the way, and use that fluid level as my indicator level..... So it may be possible that there is too much fluid, and maybe the pads can't retract all the way. ....
You mean you cracked the bleeder valvue and dumped the old fluid right? You just used that amount as a guide on how much to add of new fluid?

Can you discribe the pulsing sound more? Could be several things even a wheel bearing.
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Have you greased the slider pins? Greased the pads? If you didn't put brake lube on the slider pins or the pads you're going to be grinding because the calipers going to lock.
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Have you greased the slider pins? Greased the pads? If you didn't put brake lube on the slider pins or the pads you're going to be grinding because the calipers going to lock.
^^ Listen to him,

brakes are somewhat simple, the piston applies the pads, the slider pins/edges of pads need lube so that the rotor can "throw off" the pads after the piston releases(havent looked at these brakes on this car yet but if it has a clip that seats into the piston the piston draws 1 side pad off). The slider pins also make the pad wear even.

Anyway disassemble and lube the pins and pads. If its froze you may need a new bracket or something to polish the bracket/pins after you get them unstuck
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Did you install the pads backwards?
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Did you install the pads backwards?
They last ALOT longer that way
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I did grease the pins. As I said, I am a decent enough mechanic that I feel everything went ok..... I don't know. Going to go take a look (yes, to make sure I didn't put the pads on backwards ) and see if I can find something wrong. Maybe just a break-in period? I don't know. And, , I just used the old amount as a guide for new fluid, but that was after compressing the wheel cylinders, and before allowing them to reach the pads, so looking back, the level would be slightly lower..... I don't know. thanks for the help, if any other thoughts arise, let me know.

As for the pulsating, it sounds like the sound you would get if there was one rough spot on the rotor. then it hits the pads every time around. but the rotor is smooth and only a couple months old.
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don't know. Fluid leven was in fact high, so I fixed that. Other than that, everything looked ok, cleaned it, it seems to be mainly the passenger side, and the noise is still there. Less obvious when I'm braking, but deffinately there at low speeds with no brakes...... break in period? Car's stopping, don't really care anymore. lol
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If you greased the pins well, then you should not hear your pads hitting the rotor when not braking. I think you have either a bad tire or wheel bearing. An easy test to see which is to swap sides with the tires and see if the noise changes sides.
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Tires are dirrectional, and when I was spinning the wheel, it was clearly the rotor making the noise. Just confusing. Perhaps I will take off the pins and add more grease or something (have to replace guide pin because I nearly rounded it off anyway, might as well do it now) and see if that helps.
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Tires are dirrectional, and when I was spinning the wheel, it was clearly the rotor making the noise. Just confusing. Perhaps I will take off the pins and add more grease or something (have to replace guide pin because I nearly rounded it off anyway, might as well do it now) and see if that helps.
If you have to take all that apart anyway, when you have the caliper off spin the hub and see if you hear anything unusual.
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How many miles do you have on the new pads? I had to wait about a month or two for my Hawk pads and my EBC Red Stuff pads to break in. They were rubbing without me applying the brakes.
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How many miles do you have on the new pads? I had to wait about a month or two for my Hawk pads and my EBC Red Stuff pads to break in. They were rubbing without me applying the brakes.
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It is a sticky spray that you apply on the back of the pads that will keep them off of the rotor if you grease your pins well enough.

Good stuff, I have used it a lot.
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Yeah I might have to get this. I have seen it at work (NAPA), and have thought about using it since I get some loud squeaking under light braking. But I don't think it would have helped with my new pad issue. The pads were pressed hard against the rotors without any input from brake pedal. I could sit on a slight incline without moving.
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How many miles do you have on the new pads? I had to wait about a month or two for my Hawk pads and my EBC Red Stuff pads to break in. They were rubbing without me applying the brakes.
They made the noise brand new, and now only have 50+/- mile on them.... Think I'm going to go get the new pins next time I'm in town and put them on next time it's warm
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It is a sticky spray that you apply on the back of the pads that will keep them off of the rotor if you grease your pins well enough.

Good stuff, I have used it a lot.
Will do this too on all four wheels. Hope it works.

As for the wheel hub, I will spin it as well, but when I did that during the job, I noticed nothing.... Worth taking a look at though. Thanks guys. Any more ideas before I get in there again would be greatly appreciated.
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Put in new pins today and used the spray. Then noise appears to be gone except in sharper/hard turns. I think it's just a combination of a breakin period along with the need for new pins and so on. Not worried at this point.

Now, onto the other problem. I think moreso now that it is the wheel bearing. Spun the rears when they were off and everything seemed ok. The sound seems like it is coming from the passengers front though so I will look at that. What exactly should I look for? Just odd noises or will something appear obviously wrong? And just an update, it now happens pretty much every time I hit the brakes. Just a repetative.... not a chirp but not a grind. Little high pitched to be a grind if that makes any sense... thanks again
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Have someone hop in the trunk. I thought my grinding was coming from the passenger front and it was actually from the back (loud exhaust though so its harder for me to tell). Brakes will make some noise for awhile, at least mine did. Then they quieted right down. If all else fails you may need to rebuild your calipers, mine were not backing off enough so in most cases I could hear them.

Did you adjust your parking brake at all? Mine was the biggest PITA to get adjusted right, I ended up tightening it down and breaking in the pads.

When you spin the wheel bearings make sure you listen really close and pay attention to what you're feeling. What makes noise with 600lbs+ of weight on it may only make a barely audible bump without. That's how I missed mine. Went back and listened and I could hear it bump once every round.
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hm. I'll look closer but I am pretty certain that it is coming from the fronts. I am going to take them apart and use that spray stuff on the next nice day anyway so I'll look then and update here as to what is going on.
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i know you said you think its coming from the front but i strongly recommend checking your parking break as stated above! I changed my breaks a couple months back and i had the same pulsing sound your describing! It ended up being my parking brake.....what i did was went out and drove the car in the parking lot gunned it and pulled the parking break to a stop and did that a couple times and it fixed that problem.....not saying that your wrong but it sound exactly like the problem i had!
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Thanks. I think if I find it to be the parking brake, I'll adjust it properly, but thanks
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also what you could do if jack your car up put it in neutral and manually spin the wheel by hand and see which wheel is making the noise......make sure you block the wheels so it wont roll....maybe see if that works?
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see, that we had talked about higher up in the thread, The problem I am running in to is that a) all the weight is off the car, so any noise is so tiny that I can't hear it as it is. and b) it only happens some of the time when I hit my brakes while moving. That's hard to simulate by hand. oh well, I'll figure it out one of these days.
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So I have a similar problem. I just put new pads and rotors on my rear and the brakes make a pulsating grinding sound when I am at low speeds and when I turn right. Is there actually like a break-in time for pads and rotors because I just did them today.
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It really depends on the pads and rotors. from what I found out when I was having the problem, better quality stuff doesn't really need to be broken in, cheaper stuff may. My issue never fully stopped happening, It hasn't gotten worse, and it doesn't happen all the time now, so I'm just waiting for warm weather to crack it open and really look again
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Oh I see, I will probably do the same then. Thanks!
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I like you, not here to bash you but please stop saying that. If you were a mechanic then this thread would have never been started. You're just a weekend grease monkey. BOT, sorry.
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Just sayin' I was sure that there was nothing I did wrong. However I said that like forever ago, this was a bump from an old thread.
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Did you ever figure out the problem? I am having the exact same issues.. grinding when braking, louder at slower speeds and rubbing during slow turns etc.. no recent brake job though. just started happening the other day.
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Did you ever figure out the problem? I am having the exact same issues.. grinding when braking, louder at slower speeds and rubbing during slow turns etc.. no recent brake job though. just started happening the other day.
If it just happens out of the blue like that, there is no way to determine what your problem is from here. You have to get in there and take a look and see whats rubbing. Where does it sound like it's coming from?
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Just changed my rotors, and I am getting a grinding and loud rough clicking noise from the passenger side, when I turn right. At first, I thought it was the back brake plate so I pushed that back a little, but nothing changed, and it's still really bad. I'm taking it to my mechanic, because the studs are very loose on that side. Maybe that's part of it? I'm totally lost. I've changed tons of rotors and brakes on cars, and have never had this kind of problem.
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I ended up just putting on brand new shims and some of that "Disk Brake Quite" and that did it. I also have new guide pins all around but that wasn't the source, just nice to have.
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So, got back from the mechanic, and discovered that the caliper is loose. It's loose because the slider/guide pins are loose inside of the housing of the caliper. So, I'm going to try and see if new pins will work. If not, I guess I have to replace the entire caliper. Hopefully it won't be too hard to find a 295mm twin piston calipers for cheap. So far, 3 out of 3 parts I've gotten from RPW have not lasted longer than two years. Pisses me off to know how much money was wasted.
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