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Old 04/25/2006, 11:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What are signs/symptoms of bad Wheel Hub?

Does anyone know what the warning signs or symptoms are if you have a bad front wheel hub? Reason I ask, is Im not sure what noise Im hearing when driving. Its the drivers side front wheel. Sounds as if its almost out of round, but Im sure its not. Just had them balanced and aligned correctly and they are fairly new tires in great shape. No brake/rotor problems either. The sound is somewhat speed related, where when I first start moving, the sound is slower, then gets faster as I go faster, but mostly as speeds under 30-40mph. Doesnt seem to be noticeable at higher speeds, but cant be certain its stil not there. I realize this could be something other then a bad wheel hub, but what are the signs of a bad wheel hub? A month or so ago, I did notice when putting my front tire back on, one of the lugs wasnt on tight or snug (the other 4 were at the time) and when I noticed it and corrected it, the lug wouldnt go on flush right away. I had to be a little patient for it to go on correctly at the time. Not sure if that would be my problem, but this noise has been there before that lug nut problem anyway. Thanks.
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Old 04/25/2006, 12:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well if the alignment took, it doesn't sound like the hub. Jack up the suspected wheel, and see if you can push on it and move it back and forth. If you can, the hub is shot.
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Well if the alignment took, it doesn't sound like the hub. Jack up the suspected wheel, and see if you can push on it and move it back and forth. If you can, the hub is shot.


i had the same problem with my back wheels, i heard a humming sound from the back and couldnt really tell where it was coming from, i suspected the hubs, i moved the wheels in and out and there was no movement, after i changed the hubs the sound went away
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well saying "i have a sound at such and such when i do such and such" isnt very helpful without a clear description of the sound.

a bent hub will cause the wheel and rotor to spin untrue. what ya'll talking bout is bad wheel bearings or worn ball joints. wheel bearings will make a grumbling growling sound and can cause the wheel to be a little loose when the cars off the ground.

worn ball joint/s can cause looseness and a rumbling or hollow popping sound as well as (if its really gone to hell) some erratic steering. it'll feel like a drunk man with ADD is jerking the wheel back and forth and you're playing catchup behind him to keep the car going in a straight line.



the CLASSIC sign of a bent front hub is...when lightly braking at low speed on a smooth quiet road you hear intermittent pad to rotor contact. sort of like chuh chuh chuh which is consistent in speed in relation to the speed of the car. thats because the hub is bent and the rotor is touching the brake pad a little bit and you're hearing it.
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Old 04/25/2006, 04:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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well saying "i have a sound at such and such when i do such and such" isnt very helpful without a clear description of the sound.
if its not very helpful, then no need for your input now, is there?
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Old 04/26/2006, 06:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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well saying "i have a sound at such and such when i do such and such" isnt very helpful without a clear description of the sound.

a bent hub will cause the wheel and rotor to spin untrue. what ya'll talking bout is bad wheel bearings or worn ball joints. wheel bearings will make a grumbling growling sound and can cause the wheel to be a little loose when the cars off the ground.

worn ball joint/s can cause looseness and a rumbling or hollow popping sound as well as (if its really gone to hell) some erratic steering. it'll feel like a drunk man with ADD is jerking the wheel back and forth and you're playing catchup behind him to keep the car going in a straight line.



the CLASSIC sign of a bent front hub is...when lightly braking at low speed on a smooth quiet road you hear intermittent pad to rotor contact. sort of like chuh chuh chuh which is consistent in speed in relation to the speed of the car. thats because the hub is bent and the rotor is touching the brake pad a little bit and you're hearing it.
The hub/bearing is all one assembly on the 3g, I have replaced them twice now.
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from what it sounds like, what you are describing could be a possible bad wheel bearing, but it could be a few other things as well (ball joint and possible sticking rotor as well come to mind). Hard to say without actually hearing it in person....

here's a real lame easy way to check a hub bearing that's accurate most of the time but not always: jack the suspected wheel up, and with the car in neutral, spin the wheel. you can sometimes hear the bearings grinding and crunching, and most of the time you can feel a mild pulsation if you put your hand on the spring around the front strut. this isn't the actual way to check this, but it does work like 9 out of 10 times usually.

the real way is to get the wheel up in the air, and with the car in neutral, place your hands first at the 12 and 6 o'clock position on the tire and give it a mild shake back n forth (that is, push in torwards the car with one hand while pulling torwards you with the other, alternating back and forth which hand is pulling and which hand is pushing). Next, do the same at the 9 and 3 o'clock position and you can do it at the 10 and 5 o'clock positions as well as a follow up if you like. What you are looking for is looseness. The 10 and 5 o'clock position can help narrow the field down quite a bit in most cases. If you do feel any looseness, get under there and repeat the shake down (all of em, and it's easier if you get a bud involved here to shake it for you...) while physically looking at your front end parts. you will see what's loose when you do.
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it definitely sounds like the hub. not very hard to replace
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What about somthing that sounds like this.
www.fightrice.com/cujo/Screetch.wmv

(Only happends now when tunring left.) I jacked up the car and did the wheel test and nothing moved. CV boot looks perfect.

One thing I did notice a while ago, when I took off the wheel and the driveshaft nut was VERY loose and the cotterpin is missing, I only tightend the bolt and made my own cotter pin for say (which is still in there) Could the whole CV joint be bad due to the loose driveshat nut?
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sounds like the shock or the seal around the hub.
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sounds like the shock or the seal around the hub.
If it was the seal around the hub, wouldnt their be wheel movement when its on the stands?
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What about somthing that sounds like this.
www.fightrice.com/cujo/Screetch.wmv

(Only happends now when tunring left.) I jacked up the car and did the wheel test and nothing moved. CV boot looks perfect.

One thing I did notice a while ago, when I took off the wheel and the driveshaft nut was VERY loose and the cotterpin is missing, I only tightend the bolt and made my own cotter pin for say (which is still in there) Could the whole CV joint be bad due to the loose driveshat nut?
that sound clip sounds like the heat sheild scraping the rotor.
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sounds like the shock or the seal around the hub.
wtf are you talking about
1. eclipse is front strut rear shock.
2. the seal ONLY keeps out water and dirt and keeps grease in.


a bad seal will just make a wheel bearing wear out sooner than one with a good seal, because water and dirt are getting inside and corroding and doing damage to the bearing and the bearing races.
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that sound clip sounds like the heat sheild scraping the rotor.
Yea but nothing is even near the rotor!
Here are some pics (yea i know its a mess under the car, Minnesota winters, cant do much.)








Wait.. You mean the black peice of metal? Oh Im going to work on that right now.
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the sound in the video from fight rice, unless that was your car, is a heat sheild scraping a rotor i beleive.
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the sound in the video from fight rice, unless that was your car, is a heat sheild scraping a rotor i beleive.
Yea that was my car, I tried pushing the heatsheild as far back as possible, Heres whats happening, when I have the throlttle open and start turning left (15-20+ degrees) it will start to make that sound. When I hold the hold the brake and begin a left turn (15-20+ degrees) there is no sound. When I hold brake and keep throttle open and start the left turn. (15-20+ degrees) There again is no sound. Also when no throttle is open at all, there is no sound.
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i dont know what to say without putting my hands on it, sorry
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pushed it further in to make sure its not rubbing against anything, its more quiet. So looks like thats the problem, now just have to work on it when the key to my lugs gets here.
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Does anyone know the driveshaft nut size?
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Does anyone know the driveshaft nut size?
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Old 04/23/2013, 01:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Sounds like the dust cover is touching the brake rotor. Jack up the car and spin the wheel and look to see if the dust cover is touching the brake rotor. If so just bend it away from it. PC
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Sorry, Forgot,,, if it is the wheel hub the wheel will wobble. You can check that when you jack up the car by grabbing the top and bottom of wheel and try moving it back and forward... jiggling it... Check the hub nut also
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