Pale Horse's Turbo Build

[Drewski0523]

Somewhat irrelevant but the OEM boost solenoid is not adjustable from my understanding. It is a level set in the ecu by the factory. Aftermarket boost controllers can be set with ecuFlash to give a different boost level at different RPM ranges. That's why a lot of the Evo guys switch to them. The GrimmSpeed model that I will be useing has a harness that plugs into where the OEM controller did. I actually boughtthat harness so i wont have to hack up the boost controller and to give it a slightly more OEM look. For us to use it we will have to add 1 pin to the c-49 harness at the ecu. In my thinking that's not too bad of a thing to have to do for truly adjustable and customizable boost control.

[smed112233]

Originally Posted by Pale Horse

Thanks so much man! I thought that was how it worked, just was looking for some confirmation. I don't want to run lower than 12PSI, so that's a non-issue. But I also don't want to run over 12PSI so I should be good without an MBC, but I'll keep that in mind if I get power hungry

You'll stay at wastegate pressure, I told myself the same thing lol...then I bought a mbc. Once you get bored of 11-12 you'll be wanting to up it, trust me. I'm running 18-19 now

[Pale Horse]

Originally Posted by smed112233

You'll stay at wastegate pressure, I told myself the same thing lol...then I bought a mbc. Once you get bored of 11-12 you'll be wanting to up it, trust me. I'm running 18-19 now

Hahaha that's what I'm worried about, but I'll have to fight the urge. Aren't our blocks only good enough for about 18-20PSI without building the internals? Yikes, I would hate to ride that fine line.

[Pale Horse]

I haven't posted any pics up, but the car is pretty much done with the exception of me waiting on some clamps and the exhaust work...which I am not looking forward to.

Here is how I used an angled spacer without snapping or bending the head studs:



Here's looking down onto the beast. Note that my friend and I had to cut the furthest two head studs because they hit the manifold and didn't allow it to be tightened down. I had 10mm added onto the stock length studs, so that's why. I could have kept all the upper head studs stock, but they're not stainless



And this is a mock-up of what it will look like once it's all done. Minus the intake tube, I don't know why I didn't put that on yet.

[Drewski0523]

Looks good bud

[Pale Horse]

Appreciated bud! That empty threaded hole on the right side of the manifold will be filled with my EGT probe soon. I think I'm going to wait to do all the electronics once the exhaust work is done.

[Drewski0523]

So your doing EGT over a wideband?

[Pale Horse]

Originally Posted by Drewski0523

So your doing EGT over a wideband?

No way, the wideband bung is welded into my downpipe. The Zeitronix ZT2 comes with the EGT probe for an extra $40 if you buy the kit so I figured what the hell and bought it.

LOL I just thought of the fact of that brings my total gauges to:

Wideband AFR, wideband lambda, EGT, boost, oil pressure, oil temperature, water temperature, and voltage.

[wanted A GT]

Originally Posted by Drewski0523

Somewhat irrelevant but the OEM boost solenoid is not adjustable from my understanding. It is a level set in the ecu by the factory. Aftermarket boost controllers can be set with ecuFlash to give a different boost level at different RPM ranges. That's why a lot of the Evo guys switch to them. The GrimmSpeed model that I will be useing has a harness that plugs into where the OEM controller did. I actually boughtthat harness so i wont have to hack up the boost controller and to give it a slightly more OEM look. For us to use it we will have to add 1 pin to the c-49 harness at the ecu. In my thinking that's not too bad of a thing to have to do for truly adjustable and customizable boost control.

Most people use "pills" in the line to regulate pressures and then tune with ecuflash. I think its just not as common because it's just harder to set up. There's a good writeup by mrfred somewhere on evom about how to do it(on the evo lol), but it's like reading a alien language if i'm remembering the right thread. the stock evo boost solenoid will definitely handle more psi than any 3g is going to throw at it for sure.

[smed112233]

Originally Posted by Pale Horse

Hahaha that's what I'm worried about, but I'll have to fight the urge. Aren't our blocks only good enough for about 18-20PSI without building the internals? Yikes, I would hate to ride that fine line.

A lot of it depends on the tune. On this turbo people have gone as high as 23-24 psi on stock blocks. Its just a matter of how you treat the car and how much you get on it and actually see max boost.

[2000RS-Turbo]

All in the tune

[mrg7243]

Doesnt the stock head stop flowing at anything over 18?

[malachi]

looks like a great job!

[Pale Horse]

Originally Posted by malachi

looks like a great job!

Thanks man!

Here's some more pics. I have to change the setup around a little bit because Andrew says this blow-through setup won't work. I thought we could run either setup now

[Pale Horse]

So just to post an update the car is done, STILL waiting to get into the exhaust shop. Today I had to drive two hours to the closest junk yard that even has 3Gs so that I could rob some OEM exhaust hangers. Apparently the dickhead who owned the car before me just took them off and threw them away, as my Magnaflow exhaust muffler piece was just welded to the frame .

I hate fixing shit like this. However, I did change my setup around and once it's all done Andrew will be tuning it. I'll be sure to post up some vids.

[Pale Horse]

Haven't updated this in a while. I got sick of waiting on friends who promised me I could use their car trailer to get the car to the exhaust shop to be finished. So I said screw it and went to U-Haul to get a car dolly. Unfortunately the car wouldn't fit on the dolly without ripping off the front bumper and intercooler piping. I also had to take a die-grinder to the bolt bosses on the bottom of the intercooler. Not a big deal but it took like 2 hours just to get the damn car onto the dolly



Hooked it up to the Mountaineer and away we went, special thanks to my brother for allowing me to use the SUV.



Also since I changed my setup around a bit so it was suck-through, I had to use intercooler adapter pipes. One or two was fine but I needed a 12" section which would have been four of those little adapters, which would look like hell, not to mention increase the chance for boost leaks. So I bought a straight 12" piece of aluminum piping. Only problem it didn't have beads on the ends.

I remembered seeing a thread over on DSMTuners about making a bead roller. An elegantly simple design lol. I bought a shitty pair of Vise-Grips from Big Lots and a $2 exhaust clamp from Surplus City and gave the pieces to my mom's boyfriend to be welded. Check it out:



It's just Vise-Grips, an exhaust clamp bottom and a 3/4" washer. Works AWESOME. However, it's a shit ton of work clamping and unclamping lol.



The exhaust shop is FINALLY finishing the car on Friday. I've got my base ROM from 2000RS-Turbo and after that she'll be ready to go following some tuning.

[Drewski0523]

[Pale Horse]

Originally Posted by Drewski0523

When's your tranny swap, good sir?

[ryandiaz440]

Congrats man! I can't wait for those numbers (getting antsy)!

[Pale Horse]

Originally Posted by ryandiaz440

Congrats man! I can't wait for those numbers (getting antsy)!

Thanks man! You and me both!

[Drewski0523]

Originally Posted by Pale Horse

When's your tranny swap, good sir?

Soon as I have the time and money bud. Currently job hunting and trying to find time to get to a yard for the rest of the parts. My goal is August though so fingers crossed

[ya boy willz]

Congratulations man!

Can't wait to see what she puts down.

[Pale Horse]

Thanks man! Tomorrow can't come soon enough. I'm like my ten-year old self on Christmas Eve right now!

[Pale Horse]

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO build complete!

She's all done and I went for a little bit of a cruise. Andrew's base map worked awesome! Here's some pics and a some short vids =]









First Start!

Random Interior Vid

Short Idle

HOWEVER, it's not 100% all good news When I'm building boost my factory tach goes to 0 and pegs out until I vent during a shift. Not really sure what is going on, but I put an aftermarket 52mm tach gauge in and connected its signal to the tach wire behind the gauge cluster; however, it constantly reads 0. Gonna have to have a look. If anyone has any ideas let me know.

[grfft3r]

Congrats! That was a fast build. I hope I can see this thing since we're both in PA.

[Pale Horse]

Thanks a lot man! I'm planning on doing a few car shows with my friends now that she's all built. I need to take the lambo doors off and get new fenders and whatnot though before any of that happens.

[chavezeclipse]

nice build. did you ever get a mbc? yea the draw throw setup is better since our maf's don't like blow through much. that is why every mitsu uses draw through from the factory (evo's and 2g's). nice to see another turbo build done. almost makes me want to do one lol

[Pale Horse]

Thanks Chavez. I never did buy an MBC; however, it's next on my purchases probably. I would like to run 12PSI for a while beforehand though. I noticed my stupid oil sandwich was leaking a little bit so tomorrow I need to jack the car up and get under there and see what's up and fix that leak.

I think I'm also going to need one of those flex radiator hoses because though mine is wrapped, the manifold burned a hole right through the exhaust wrap haha.

Andddd lastly I need to figure out this electrical issue. I can't tell where my RPMs are at because my factory tach pegs at 0 while building boost and the little 52mm one I put in constantly reads 0.

[2000RS-Turbo]

I had the same issue with the tach. I forgot what it was, I just texted p1aya he should know. Its some wires that have to be looped off the ecu.

[Pale Horse]

Thanks bud! I sent some texts your way

[2000RS-Turbo]

also just cut the upper rad hose shorter where it hooks the the radiator. Taking a inch off right there will make it clear the manifold. And send me some logs!

[2000RS-Turbo]

My phone died eariler and I never got any of the texts people sent to me while it was dead for some reason.

[Pale Horse]

I've taken about two inches off it already! =P

And I sent you four logs haha, did you not get them?

By the way dude, already from your base ROM the car runs better than it did stock. You have some kind of sorcery gift lol

[2000RS-Turbo]

Just looked, got the logs. Just didnt get the texts. And thank you.

[Pale Horse]

No worries. After you finish tuning this beast I'm going to change the thread title to "How to Destroy the World in your 3G: Get a Tune from 2000RS-Turbo"

[wanted A GT]

Congrats man very, very clean build

[Masta560]

Looking good! Congrats

[Pale Horse]

Thank you all. I have a new found obsession with driving by joggers, getting on it a little bit before I get to them and then chopping the throttle right next to them to vent and scare the hell out of them.

Fixing my oil leak as we speak. Taking a lunch break.

[Pale Horse]

Alright so here is a video of my retarded problem. Sorry for the blurriness and moving about, I was filming with two hands on the wheel =P

Tachometer Fail

Anyone have any idea what's up?

[2000RS-Turbo]

PM p1aya

[Pale Horse]

Alrighty, I'll do that.

[Pale Horse]

Here's another random question. Is it normal for the OEM Evo VIII 16G turbo to turn white???



I'm assuming it's normal from the heat, as those bolts also turned whitish colored.

[Masta560]

Was it painted? The paint might not have been high enough temp.

[yahh]

Originally Posted by Masta560

Was it painted? The paint might not have been high enough temp.

I'm pretty sure it was painted. Looked black a few pictures back, if it is than that is the root of your white-ness.

[Pale Horse]

It definitely appeared slightly black, it must have been painted. I just assumed it was OEM since there was hardly any exhaust carbon on the blades like it was barely used.

[chavezeclipse]

it was black then you scared it white when you drove it lol

[Pale Horse]

I knocked the black off its ass

[Pale Horse]

Alright so after doing some searching around I found out that my tachometer problem is due to the Ignition Failure Sensor (IFS) found in the 2000-2002 models but NOT the 2003-2005 models, which would explain why Marc didn't have this problem, his being the most recent successful turbo conversion next to mine.

HOWEVER, that said, the diagram Napalm posted on how to disable the IFS is no longer hosted. Does anybody have this diagram saved by any chance? I'll try PMing Napalm as well; however, I'd like to kick this problem so when Andrew says it's go time I can do a third gear pull.

[Pale Horse]

Alright well I scraped together just enough know-how from about five different threads on here to figure out what I needed to do in order to bypass the IFS.

I didn't want to hack the plug apart just in case the procedure didn't work so I simply stripped back the wire loom about an inch, stuck a vampire tap on Pin 3 and Pin 4 wires and merged them together in a splice. I left the IFS unplugged, fired her up and went for a cruise and check it out:

Tach to the Future

I wasn't ever able to get Evoscan to read my OBD-II codes so I took a trip to Advance and their palm-reader said I was throwing three codes:

P0303 - Cylinder 3 Misfire

P0183 - Fuel Tank Temperature Sensor Circuit High Input

P0137 - Bank 1 Oxygen Sensor #2

[yahh]

To read codes with evoscan, the car must be in the on position but not running and make sure it's set to obd2 , then Just click read codes.

[Pale Horse]

I'm well aware of how it needs to be done.

It never worked before for me, and if you look on EvoM there are plenty of people whom it also doesn't work for. It's just one of those things.

[isaurio]

The new evoscan 2.9 dont work for some reason. Download 2.8

[Pale Horse]

Here is what I did today:



Anddd as an update, Andrew said I can start throwing more boost down and if all looks good it's time for some WOT pulls =D

[Drewski0523]

Awesome progress bud

[Pale Horse]

Thanks man, you're on deck!

[mitsu3g01]

Looks awesome man. Love those gauges too. Looks like it came out of the factory like that.

Where's the number sheet at?

[Pale Horse]

Thanks bud, I appreciate that.

2000RS-Turbo is still working his magic and then the VD sheet will be posted!

[mitsu3g01]

Right on.

[Latron]

Nice set up man. Im going this direction with my setup and this really helped me iron out several questions. Cant wait to see the final tune results.

[Pale Horse]

I'm glad to hear that man, that was one of the intended goals of the thread

Good luck on your build. There is a wealth of knowledge at your fingertips on this site.