messing with evo 8 gear

[chokeX]

so i've aquired an evo 8 manifold with a stock evo 8 16g twin scroll turbo, and a j-pipe and o2 housing. Now its been said that this manifold can be used but spacers are needed. But it would be pointless to use this manifold on any turbo other than a twin scroll 16g. But unfortunately this evo turbos mount in such a way that they are in total interference with our starters so i got to thinking and did this today.

I spun the turbo around dsm style and slapped her in


The only problem doing that is the mounting holes on the manifold and hot side arent symetrical so you end up with only two bolts going in, one in thin air and one right in the cast iron


also the stock fan must go completely and i think i should clock the compressor side a tad but with the j-pipe on it points almost straight down


the o2 housing points right at the radiator though so that is a problem but its directly over the stock cat pipe

Not sure where im going with this, its kinda ghetto where as only two bolts are in but i could prob weld a plate for one and drill and tap the other i was just wondering what you all thought

[ryu]

Very creative. Room looks a bit tight in that space but im sure you'll figure it all out

[CloudINC00]

eek... even one bolt loose is sure to cause problems... like burning up gaskets. In this case its two bolts missing. It would be cool if you fixed something up though.. goodluck!

[Clipse3GT]

Take it to any weld shop and have something figured out.

[chokeX]

im thinking of putting this aside and getting a regular dsm manifold and turbo for now, and maybe still running the turbo in that orientation, it just looks simpler

[CloudINC00]

Get a DSM manifold and downpipe made for a 14b for now and run it.

Get the car used to boost (tune, break in, etc)

Get the car caught up (full fuel system, ecu, head work and cams, full turbo spec exhaust, intercool it, etc) then...

Swap the 14b with this:

GT30R Ball Bearing or GT32E

Direct bolt on to your manifold and downpipe for the 14b. Just modify the intercooler piping

[CloudINC00]

or if you feel like your car can spool bigger... then go with this:

GT35R

[GSKNIGHT]

Originally Posted by Clipse3GT

Take it to any weld shop and have something figured out.

I just thought of something...

What if you bought one of those stainless MeGan RaCing manifolds they make for the evo (readily sold on ebay; see link), and cut the flange off where the hotside mounts, spun it 180 degrees, and welded it back. This should put your flange right where it needed to be to properly mount the turbo.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mitsubishi-Evolu...QQcmdZViewItem

(...could maybe work...)



So choke, when you mounted the turbo like this there were no problems with hitting the starter or anything else?

[chokeX]

some day... some day... i notice thats what all the evo guys upgrade to from their setup
for now im just gonna get my feet wet in the boosted world with a 16g, either this one or a dsm style

the thing is about flipping a the plate on the bottom is the way the twin scroll manifold is, cylinders 1 and 4 go to one side, and 2 and 3 another, i'll have to think about that for a while

flipping the turbo 180 degrees puts it waaay away from the starter, infact you start almost having clearance issues with the radiator, hence removing the whole fan. Remember that is specificallly an evo 8 turbo so its shaped different than most 16gs anyways. I did bend the shit out of my a/c lines too.

[DAve3GEclipse]

the factory manifold and turbo can't be reversed on the evo 8
i tried that already with my old evo 8 manifold and 16g, the best bet is what, gsknight said,
GSKnight he reserved the turbo so the turbo curves outwards instead of inwards so it doesn't hit the starter i tried that too lol

[GSKNIGHT]

Well, now we still run into the problem of the fans and A/C lines...

...as well as fabricating a custom downpipe

Pretty much the same problems that every custom set up on a 3g runs into.

[CloudINC00]

hooray for turboing a nonturbo car!

[GSKNIGHT]

....the price we pay to play the game I guess, huh?

[chokeX]

evo turbo on eclipse

according to that i should try flipping my starter around, i'll try that soon and we'll see what happens, bluebomber seems to have pulled this off perfectly

[GSKNIGHT]

Alright, I know this thread kind of petered out, like every other discussion we try to have on the Evo VIII equipment, but we need to bring this back up for the sake of progress in this area. There have been a couple of guys that have actually solved the problems with this set up. I dont want to speak for them in any way, but I want to post up some pics of their set ups in hopes that they will explain how they were able to get everything to work. Maybe we can get some solid info on an alternative FI route, that can be fairly inexpensive, and can create some very respectable power.

DNS-EN's Setup.




I contacted DNS-EN and asked him about the specifics of his set up. He was extremely helpful and shared the following information with me.

DNS-EN on the Head Spacer: "I Just needed a 1/2" spacer made to angle the turbo up. Had to drill 2 holes in the starter housing and move the ground wire around. That was about it. I'll tell you what though it's putting down at least 280 to the wheels now and it can be a little scary it accelarates so fast now. Well worth the $1200 I spent to upgrade it. Look at Roadraceengineering.com in the do it yourself flanges and gaskets. You want a 4g63 exhuast manifold 1/2" spacer. Take it to someone with a bridgeport and a grinder and have it ground to 1/4" on the top and 3/8" on the bottom so that it angles the exhuast up slightly."

DNS-EN on using Longer studs to mount the manifold and spacer to the head: "I changed 3 of them the small ones on the bottom It wouldn't be a bad idea."

DNS-EN on using the Evo 3" downpipe and o2 Housing: "Where the downpipe bolts up to the o2 housing you need to slot the bolt holes and move the hangers back 6 inches. Thats all everything else is bolt on."



Bluebomber's Evo Setup. The link to the thread where this setup is discussed is in the above post by chokeX.




*Again, I am in no way trying to speak for the individuals who engineered these setups; I am simply trying to get a discussion started that could help progress the 4g64. Please chime in if you have ANY experience with trying to get this to work. The more info we have the better.

[CujoJpN]

Would this setup work with the sporty? I would only assume so. Since its being discussed Im about to purchase the Megan manifold with the RRE spacer than get me a TD05HR and see if all works well.

[GSKNIGHT]

I've also got the sporty; I *think* we will have less room. I cant say for sure though, but maybe someone else can.

The only problem with this is the starter hitting the compressor housing. What if there was a smaller starter, or one from another car that was shaped differently that we could use? I'm trying to find some pics of what the Evo starter actually looks like and where it's located in relation to the turbo.

Edit: I got some pics of the evo starter





Evo Starter


Eclipse Starter (4g64 all transmissions)

[DNS-EN]

The starter was the only part I was worried about I ground about 1/4" off of the big flat spot on the back of the turbo also. This allowed clearance from the starter to the center section. Also you need to take part Number 13 from the pic above and drill the 3rd hole spot out on the end then spin the piece so the the ground for the starter is facing the engine. Once you do this take your stock heat shield and cut the section off that is bent out leaving 2 bolt holes and covering the end of the starter near the center section and bottom of the starter (I also wrapped mine with heat wrap). Those are the main engineering problems I guess.

[CujoJpN]

Originally Posted by DNS-EN

The starter was the only part I was worried about I ground about 1/4" off of the big flat spot on the back of the turbo also. This allowed clearance from the starter to the center section. Also you need to take part Number 13 from the pic above and drill the 3rd hole spot out on the end then spin the piece so the the ground for the starter is facing the engine. Once you do this take your stock heat shield and cut the section off that is bent out leaving 2 bolt holes and covering the end of the starter near the center section and bottom of the starter (I also wrapped mine with heat wrap). Those are the main engineering problems I guess.

So you used an Evo starter?

[DAve3GEclipse]

hmm with all this work and stuff u want to do to get the evo 8 turbo and manifold to fit on you can easily get a 16G and evo3 ported manifold for same or cheaper, i've never tried the evo starter but when i tried the evo manifold and turbo it hits the starter and even with the fans removed the factory wastegate comes real real close to hitting the radiator, and if u decide to use manifold spacers u'll need a few gaskets and longer studs which is also alot of extra work. i think your better off going with a dsm turbo and evo 3 manifold or something 2g or 1g setup. much less costly and no serious hack job work involved

[00elipsers]

when i was using my evo 8 setup, i started to make a custom spacer, i still have the spacer but have since sold everything but the evo spacer and o2 housing, if anyone is interested in either of them lmk, but to make the spacer i used another evo manifold and cut the ends and i was going to weld it to the existing manifold for the space to clear my starter but it was going to take alot of work to get it right, there is alot less room in my 03 sporty compared to my 00 manual, but i got rid of the setup and all my eclipses, so i really dont have any pics of it on the car, it dont fit on the sporty, due to the starter, you have to angle it to make it really work so the custom spacer would be the best in order to get it to angle of the head and keep it away from the starter

[DNS-EN]

Originally Posted by DAve3GEclipse

hmm with all this work and stuff u want to do to get the evo 8 turbo and manifold to fit on you can easily get a 16G and evo3 ported manifold for same or cheaper, i've never tried the evo starter but when i tried the evo manifold and turbo it hits the starter and even with the fans removed the factory wastegate comes real real close to hitting the radiator, and if u decide to use manifold spacers u'll need a few gaskets and longer studs which is also alot of extra work. i think your better off going with a dsm turbo and evo 3 manifold or something 2g or 1g setup. much less costly and no serious hack job work involved

I have $1200 in my evo 8 setup including fmic/piping and clamps/hose connectors and injectors. Also the wastgate actuator is 4-5 inches from anything. 3 studs is all you need. And why can't you assholes read the above posts all this was already said.Simple problem solving skills you guys seem to lack.

[chokeX]

yea I ended up going the route as these fellas but wont have shit installed till winter cause i need my car to get to school and such, i'll be back to post up pics in month or 2. Despite what most people think it really is cost effective to get on evolutionm.net and just pic up used evo 8 parts guys let go for cheap after they've upgraded.

[CujoJpN]

Well I just purchased a TD04HR and the manifold. Going to get some WRX injectors sometime in the next month as well. We shall see how this works.

Oh DNS, do you think a SS oil feed line from a 2G will fit on the 3G? I dont see why not, im just questioning it. The guy is giving it to me for free when I buy his turbo. (18g! woot woot)

[kng nothg]

Ive been contacted to do a little write up to disapprove some myths.

Yes a evo 8 ss manifold -turbine housing- will work on our cars.

The best method to do this is to purchase a stainless steel manifold... cut the flange and rotate it 180 degress.

my modified mani


stock flange...


this is good for few reasons...
1 you still have your stock AC (i have to repair the AC line, bent 1 too far, so i just removed both)
Here you can see the clearence


2. the exhaust will dump straight down, rather than bending around then out.
3. you will clear the starter.


4. the flanges will fit correctly and you will have all bolts secured correctly.

I picked up an SS autochrome evo 8 mani (no it hasnt cracked yet and ive beat the hell out of it)

Ive had custom oil lines made.... a 4 foot ss line costed me about 35$. not too shabby. (bought a oil block adapter - connected it to the thread where the oil sending unit is located... this adapter allows you to reconnect the oil sending unit, and also connect an oil line to supply the turbo, and finally a oil pressure gauge.)

currently boosting 17psi on an EVO8 1g
using 1st gen 440cc injectors w/clips and resistor pack
Evo 8 255HP fuel pump
MAFT Pro -Speed density


Also, about heating issues... i kept 1 stock fan (drivers side) and installed 2 10" slim fans in front of the AC condensor.
Also note, it definately helps to have heat wrap around the mani and it will save your throttle cable and also lower the in engine air temp.

(my entire kit will be available for sale soon, as im doing the evo headswap inspired by NAPALM)


Any further questions, please ask

[GSKNIGHT]

Could you post some pics kng nothg?

Edit: Nevermind; you just did Thanks!

[DNS-EN]

Originally Posted by kng nothg

Ive been contacted to do a little write up to disapprove some myths.

Yes a evo 8 ss manifold -turbine housing- will work on our cars.

The best method to do this is to purchase a stainless steel manifold... cut the flange and rotate it 180 degress.

my modified mani
stock flange...

this is good for few reasons...
1 you still have your stock AC (i have to repair the AC line, bent 1 too far, so i just removed both)
Here you can see the clearence

2. the exhaust will dump straight down, rather than bending around then out.
3. you will clear the starter.

4. the flanges will fit correctly and you will have all bolts secured correctly.

I picked up an SS autochrome evo 8 mani (no it hasnt cracked yet and ive beat the hell out of it)

Ive had custom oil lines made.... a 4 foot ss line costed me about 35$. not too shabby. (bought a oil block adapter - connected it to the thread where the oil sending unit is located... this adapter allows you to reconnect the oil sending unit, and also connect an oil line to supply the turbo, and finally a oil pressure gauge.)

currently boosting 17psi on an EVO8 1g
using 1st gen 440cc injectors w/clips and resistor pack
Evo 8 255HP fuel pump
MAFT Pro -Speed density


Also, about heating issues... i kept 1 stock fan (drivers side) and installed 2 10" slim fans in front of the AC condensor.
Also note, it definately helps to have heat wrap around the mani and it will save your throttle cable and also lower the in engine air temp.

(my entire kit will be available for sale soon, as im doing the evo headswap inspired by NAPALM)


Any further questions, please ask

I disagree about this being the "best" solution as my setup uses a 3" downpipe/exhuast from an evo and is bolt-on. While I'm sure you made it work there is more room and it is much less work to just mount it like it goes. As far as the starter problem it's an easy fix with an exhuast manifold flange and also much cheaper to do. Those aftermarket fans are not cheap. I spent $50 on making the turbo bolt up properly. I would be worried about the fans melting that looks very close.

[kng nothg]

8 months now, in the south florida heat combined with the heat from the turbo and nothing has melted. nor is it shiney from getting hot.

2 fans cost me 50.
Cutting the flange and welding it -free

Also, remember the drivers side fan's shroud is made of metal... once its spins, you know its pushing air so its cooling the shroud.
the 2 other fans are on the front side of the condensor (AC) only way they will get hot and melt is if there was an engine fire... and i have it hard wired to turn on as soon as the car is started.

Edit: Saw you thread on your project. Nice setup. I was more or less worried about the down pipe being so close to the power steering and AC compressor that i went with this setup. that is alot cheaper than having to replace either one of those items due to the heat.

Good job on the DOHC project.
Currently mine is being built...280 cams ftw

Pics of your setup DNS?

[DNS-EN]

Here's what your exhuast should look like if you want to make some power. Thats my downpipe and cat. A pic of my current setup is already above but here's one more also. If you look carefully you can even see I have the starter shield installed hehe.

[kng nothg]

just back from the dyno... 299.17whp & 330.68wtq....

[DNS-EN]

Originally Posted by kng nothg

just back from the dyno... 299.17whp & 330.68wtq....

No pics?

[kng nothg]

btw dns - if you still dont believe, i could upload a vid and give you the number to the shop

[DNS-EN]

Originally Posted by kng nothg

btw dns - if you still dont believe, i could upload a vid and give you the number to the shop

I never said I didn't believe you. But you should definately take it back and tune some more. Your going lean at 4500 and again at 5200. Nice power though, what are you using for engine management?

[kng nothg]

Just messing with you man. im using a MAFTpro.
www.maftpro.com

Yeah we are going to. This kit im going to sell very soon, i just wanted to put some numbers up when i sell.... so the person knows what to expect when they buy this.

Currently doing the evo head swap, just waiting on a few parts!

[Chief Brody]

Originally Posted by kng nothg

Just messing with you man. im using a MAFTpro.
www.maftpro.com

Yeah we are going to. This kit im going to sell very soon, i just wanted to put some numbers up when i sell.... so the person knows what to expect when they buy this.

Currently doing the evo head swap, just waiting on a few parts!

Nice job Rob! What size injecors are you running?

[GSKNIGHT]

Sweetness! Those are some great numbers. What PSI is that at?

DSN-EN: Are you planning on a trip to the dyno any time soon? I cant wait to see your numbers.

Just out of curiousity: Could you guys post up what your fuel systems consist of? I know that Rob is using the Evo fuel pump, and that DSN has 540cc (?) injectors. Are you guys using FPR's?

[kng nothg]

Originally Posted by Chief Brody

Nice job Rob! What size injecors are you running?

440cc with resistor pack

[kng nothg]

Originally Posted by GSKNIGHT

Sweetness! Those are some great numbers. What PSI is that at?

DSN-EN: Are you planning on a trip to the dyno any time soon? I cant wait to see your numbers.

Just out of curiousity: Could you guys post up what your fuel systems consist of? I know that Rob is using the Evo fuel pump, and that DSN has 540cc (?) injectors. Are you guys using FPR's?

@16psi...

but, the elbow im using is made of rubber and balloons like crazy.... so im getting a silicone 90 here soon and rerunning it. After that, i wont touch the kit again until i sell it.

As far as FPR, yes sir, ebay special

my other engine thats currently being built:
8.5:1 XTP (extreme racing piston by CP)
Eagle H-Beam Rods
Spec stage 5 iron disc clutch
Clutchmasters Lightened flywheel...
Balanced (removed balance shafts)

EVO8 head
Brian Crower 280/280 Cams
Helix Cam Gears

Custom turbo mani
and a GT35R

[Chief Brody]

Originally Posted by kng nothg

@16psi...

but, the elbow im using is made of rubber and balloons like crazy.... so im getting a silicone 90 here soon and rerunning it. After that, i wont touch the kit again until i sell it.

As far as FPR, yes sir, ebay special

my other engine thats currently being built:
8.5:1 XTP (extreme racing piston by CP)
Eagle H-Beam Rods
Spec stage 5 iron disc clutch
Clutchmasters Lightened flywheel...
Balanced (removed balance shafts)

EVO8 head
Brian Crower 280/280 Cams
Helix Cam Gears

Custom turbo mani
and a GT35R

What's your fuel pressure set at? I'm actually a little surprised you made so much power on 440cc injectors. I'd love to see more info on your setup, mpressions on using the MAFT pro, timing logs, etc.

Congrats and good luck on your new setup!

[DNS-EN]

Originally Posted by GSKNIGHT

Sweetness! Those are some great numbers. What PSI is that at?

DSN-EN: Are you planning on a trip to the dyno any time soon? I cant wait to see your numbers.

Just out of curiousity: Could you guys post up what your fuel systems consist of? I know that Rob is using the Evo fuel pump, and that DSN has 540cc (?) injectors. Are you guys using FPR's?

I have a 255 walbro with FIC 550's and a Aeromotive afpr set at 43 psi at idle. I am also planning a dyno run soon at the moment I'm working on turning up the boost with just the stock ecu controlling fuel and timing. If I get my inspection done this weekend I may go ahead and swap ecu's back to the evo ecu this 100% load max sucks.

[kng nothg]

Originally Posted by Chief Brody

What's your fuel pressure set at? I'm actually a little surprised you made so much power on 440cc injectors. I'd love to see more info on your setup, mpressions on using the MAFT pro, timing logs, etc.

Congrats and good luck on your new setup!

fuel pressure is at 38psi, of course its rising rate. And that fooker does move up! Walbro EVO 8 255 HP not LPH
my impressions is that this is a great unit, i didnt have the chance to use a SAFC2 or Emanage blue, but this sold me as far as you dont need a computer to tune with, you can datalog with it, etc...

1 more run at the dyno and then this kit is coming off.... gotta make room for the swap

[kng nothg]

Originally Posted by DNS-EN

I have a 255 walbro with FIC 550's and a Aeromotive afpr set at 43 psi at idle. I am also planning a dyno run soon at the moment I'm working on turning up the boost with just the stock ecu controlling fuel and timing. If I get my inspection done this weekend I may go ahead and swap ecu's back to the evo ecu this 100% load max sucks.

Definately cant wait to see this, what turbo are you running. Gives me something to AIM for.

[GSKNIGHT]

While we are on the topic of using Evo 8 turbo equipment...

I have in my posession a full set of Evo 8 stock intercooler piping, front mount, BOV, intake and all couplers. I'm going to see just how well everything will fit on our cars - this weekend I plan on doing a test fit.

DSN-EN: I've seen a pic of your car with the Evo 8 FMIC installed. It looked like it fit pretty well without completly hacking up the front bumper. Any tips on what it took to get it to install?

Also: What about the stock Evo 8 Fuel pump? Any one have any input? RRE has all of it's flow specs listed, and they dont look too shabby. Plus I read that it is set up to flow less under low-load situations to prevent over-rich situations. I can get one for cheap, and I'm thinking about experimenting - has anyone tried it before?

[GSKNIGHT]

Well, I have some great news. I test fit the Evo VIII Front Mount Intercooler and piping this weekend - and it fit nearly perfect. I had to remove the front 5mph bumper, but I think that it could go back on after playing with everything for a little while. It doesnt even look like the front bumper is going to have to be cut that much.

[chokeX]

thats why i bought evo8 piping for $25 lol

[GSKNIGHT]

Ok turbo gurus, here is a riddle for you.

Why did Rob (kng_nthing) make 299whp with his turbo system, and blubomber, only make 214whp with almost the exact same system?

*Both were using the same size injectors (DSM 450cc)
*Both were using the same fuel pump (Walbro 255lph)
*Both have simular exhaust systems (from what I can tell from pics)
*blubomber uses the E-manage
*Rob uses the MAF-T Pro
*Rob's AFR is fairly smooth other than a couple lean spots
*blubomber's AFR is all over the place
*Rob was running 16psi
*blubomber was only running 10psi.

Is the 6psi difference enough to make 85 more whp?

On .org blubomber mentioned that before this dyno run, he had not been using a 1:1 FPR.

Blubomber's dyno sheet:




More pics of blubomber's turbo set up.

[Benz01GS]

Well, I'm no Guru, but I'll take a stab ==}------>

The 6psi isn't a big difference...IN PSI! But if you think of the fact that to compensate for the higher psi, he had to add more fuel. The FPR will give a better rising rate of fuel pressure, a more EVEN flow.
AND just the fact of having a better tune can give the car more power ESPECIALLY with a higher psi and more fuel (at a rising rate)...

Not to mention look at all the coupled connections on blubomber's set up, probably leaking boost at one point or the other...

P.S.- Does anyone else notice that he's using a blow through set up with the stock MAF???
...hmmm...

I can't really comment on anything BAD about people's turbo set-up, because I've yet to be boosted, but all I'm gonna say is ReSeArCh is the key...

[DNS-EN]

Dyno's can vary ALOT and is not a true test of the engines capabilities it is mearly for tuning and show. Want to know how fast a car is take it to a dragstrip and put down some decent trap speeds. For those that would argue do some reading on evolutionm.net.

[Chief Brody]

That air/fuel curve for the 217HP dyno is horrendous. It goes from way rich to dangerously lean in less than 1000RPM. Peak tourqe is made around 12:1 on gasoline. A bad tune and less psi, I am not surprised at the differences at all.

[Benz01GS]

His blow-through MAF placement as well as a horrible tune is to blame for the horrible curve. That and the fact that he had the stock FPR for that run.

[Chief Brody]

Originally Posted by Benz01GS

His blow-through MAF placement as well as a horrible tune is to blame for the horrible curve. That and the fact that he had the stock FPR for that run.

Good call. The MAF may not be metering accurately once it starts to be pressurized and the lean jump could be a result.

[GSKNIGHT]

I was wondering if anyone would notice the blow-through...

A very interesting example of how important tuning is.

[DNS-EN]

It just needs tuned his timing maps stock are too aggressive for alot of boost & the curve should be alot better when finally tuned.

[XwP1ayawX]

He needs to use better clamps at least. No doubt at 10psi with piping that big it is leaking somewhere. Not to mention it looks as though he has no fuel control what so ever. Whoever tuned that emanage... heh heh. The thing is lean the whole way through the graph

[DNS-EN]

Originally Posted by XwP1ayawX

He needs to use better clamps at least. No doubt at 10psi with piping that big it is leaking somewhere. Not to mention it looks as though he has no fuel control what so ever. Whoever tuned that emanage... heh heh. The thing is lean the whole way through the graph

That graph is not tuned at all.

[CujoJpN]

Bringing this back to life.

So here is a quick summary of what you will need to get this setup, Up and running?

1.) RRE 1/2" Spacer Price $30-$45
(What were the angles or demensions we needed to get machined to have the turbo point upwards?)

2.) Your Megan Racing SS Manifold Price: $150-$200
(We will need to get the flange cut right? Than rotated 180 degrees? Just to solve the issue with the a/c lines correct?)

3.) Your Evolution TD05HR Price: Unknown est($200-$300)
(i really found these hard as hell to find! I can find the TD05H, but no HR's)

4.) Obvious oil lines and fittings. Price: $40-80
(Where did you guys tap your oil lines?)

5.) Evo 3" Downpipe w/cat Price ???
(i dont know what downpipe would work)

6.) Evo IC piping?
(so the IC piping fits!? Is this without the Styrofoam 5mph bumbper?)

Fuel

Walboro 255lph/Evo 8 255lph fuel pump Price: $90

Lots of choices for injectors
I would prefer WRX stock 440cc's


WTF am I missing?

[GSKNIGHT]

Originally Posted by CujoJpN

Bringing this back to life.

So here is a quick summary of what you will need to get this setup, Up and running?

1.) RRE 1/2" Spacer Price $30-$45
(What were the angles or demensions we needed to get machined to have the turbo point upwards?)

2.) Your Megan Racing SS Manifold Price: $150-$200
(We will need to get the flange cut right? Than rotated 180 degrees? Just to solve the issue with the a/c lines correct?)

3.) Your Evolution TD05HR Price: Unknown est($200-$300)
(i really found these hard as hell to find! I can find the TD05H, but no HR's)

4.) Obvious oil lines and fittings. Price: $40-80
(Where did you guys tap your oil lines?)

5.) Evo 3" Downpipe w/cat Price ???
(i dont know what downpipe would work)

6.) Evo IC piping?
(so the IC piping fits!? Is this without the Styrofoam 5mph bumbper?)

Fuel

Walboro 255lph/Evo 8 255lph fuel pump Price: $90

Lots of choices for injectors
I would prefer WRX stock 440cc's


WTF am I missing?

1.) Yes that is the one. Take it to a machine shop and have them mill it to an angle. At the top of the flange, it should be 1/8" thick, and at the bottom 3/8" thick.

2.) If you use the head spacer, you DO NOT need to spin the flange. That is if you aren't going to use the spacer. With the spacer, evertthing will bolt up the same way it does on the Evo.

3.) Join www.evolutionm.net and put in the manditory 50 posts, so you can buy in their FS forum. You should easily be able to pick up a Big 16g Dual scroll (TDO5HR) for around $200. The Evo IX turbos with the 10.5cm^2 exhaust housing go for about $300-$400.

4.) The best way to do this is to use the GReedy oil sandwitch adapter, or a simular one. On www.summitracing.com they sell ones that fit our car for aobut $27.00.

5.) Same as with the turbo, go on EvoM and you can pick up a great used 3" downpipe for any where between $60 to $200 - just depending on what you are looking for. New ones will be $150-$400. The downpipe isnt a complete bolt on affair. You are going to have to at least have 1 flange cut off, turned and welded back. (The flanges on the evo are set at an odd angle.) This is nothing that someone with any sort of problem solving cabablities shouldnt be able to handle.

6.) Yup. I fit everything on to my car personally, and it fit great. Of course, to get it perfect it will take a little playing with, and a little trimming here and there.

[CujoJpN]

Originally Posted by GSKNIGHT

5.) Same as with the turbo, go on EvoM and you can pick up a great used 3" downpipe for any where between $60 to $200 - just depending on what you are looking for. New ones will be $150-$400. The downpipe isnt a complete bolt on affair. You are going to have to at least have 1 flange cut off, turned and welded back. (The flanges on the evo are set at an odd angle.) This is nothing that someone with any sort of problem solving cabablities shouldnt be able to handle.

Downside to this, I dotn have any welder. So I would need to take it to a shop.. And know exactly what flange needs to be cut and at what angle..

[GSKNIGHT]

Here is a pic of DNS-EN's exhuast. See how the flange coming off of the cat/test pipe is sort of turned at an angle, and isnt paralell to the ground? That is where you would either have to do some welding to turn the flange on your catback, or the flange on the cat/testpipe.



I would think that it wouldnt cost a whole lot for a welding shop to do this for you. DNS-EN could tell you though.

You can also see in the pic where the mounting "hangers" have to be lengthened.

I also remember DNS-EN telling me that the two bolt holes where the downpipe bolts to the o2 housing have to be "notched" because the angle of the o2 housing has been changed by the angled spacer.

[Benz01GS]

Wow... That's it... I'm under construction again...