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Old 11/17/2007, 01:54 PM   #121 (permalink)
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I still need to have my friend weld me up a bracket for the turbo, it's goint to come from the crossmember up to the turbine housing to take the weight off the OBX manifold, the bumper support is being cut to accomadate the FMIC, the FPR is next to be installed and then the BOV is being mounted right before the bend on the Blue UICP. hopefully I can get this EMS for tuning but We'll see. The Custome downpipe is getting a welded bung for the o2 the painted w high temp, overall it's comin pretty good, they added an extension in the radiator hose to the head to make room for the wastegate and dump tube, which is going to be recirculated into the downpipe

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Old 11/17/2007, 04:04 PM   #124 (permalink)
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you have an insane boost leak from that nipple on your intake. thats pretty much having a pen sized hole in your intercooler piping.
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Old 11/18/2007, 06:35 PM   #126 (permalink)
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you have an insane boost leak from that nipple on your intake. thats pretty much having a pen sized hole in your intercooler piping.
me? that Nipple on the UICP is going to go to the BOV, either that or the pressure for the rising rate Fuel Pressure Regulator.
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The FPR line should be tapped after the TB, as is my BOV line also.

The only thing that I can think of that comes before the TB, is the wastegate line.

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What is do you have the hose for the crankcase breather hooked up too now instead of that nipple?
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What is do you have the hose for the crankcase breather hooked up too now instead of that nipple?
There is basically 3 options from what I can tell.

1. The best IMO is hook it up to the intake pipe for the turbo

2. VTA, vent to atmosphere

3. have it hooked up to manifold with a one way check-valve that prevents blowing pressure into the valve cover.

I have the one on the passenger side hooked up to the one way valve and after the valve going through a catch can and routed back to the valvecover. The driver side is VTA.
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What's up with the coupler coming off the compressor outlet on the turbo? I'd get one that's the correct size for the diameter of the housing...I'd hate to see it be the source of a loss of pressure for you. Overall though, it doesn't look too bad...you've come pretty far with it...
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What's up with the coupler coming off the compressor outlet on the turbo? I'd get one that's the correct size for the diameter of the housing...I'd hate to see it be the source of a loss of pressure for you. Overall though, it doesn't look too bad...you've come pretty far with it...
the very end of the turbo is the right diameter,
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all the couplers are tight.



o, and yes I meant to say wastegate, the nipple on the UICP will be for the wastegate, I understand that the PSI could fluctuate by 1 or 2 by the time it hits the UICP so I will tune accordingly. The Guys at Mike Ward Racing told me that I should fabricate a bracket for the turbo, something to take the weight off the manifold as it will most likely crack jerking under boost, I was thinking of just taking some cardboard and bending/cutting it to get a template and then have someone weld it up for me, you guys think I need one? Ward Racing wanted $600.00 and I said FORGET IT on that one, I'll do that myself
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There is basically 3 options from what I can tell.

1. The best IMO is hook it up to the intake pipe for the turbo

2. VTA, vent to atmosphere

3. have it hooked up to manifold with a one way check-valve that prevents blowing pressure into the valve cover.

I have the one on the passenger side hooked up to the one way valve and after the valve going through a catch can and routed back to the valvecover. The driver side is VTA.
actually like you're doing I'm just going to use a oil catch can, I hate thinking I'm burning oil when I'm not, and I always seem to find the oil build up in the throttle body after it's sucked into the intake.


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I NEED SOMEONE TO TUNE MY CAR! I have the cash and I can tow it wherever, the car is done it just needs tuned, pleez email me at eclipse2ner@hotmail.com if you help me out, I'm in Ohio but I cna tow it up to 250 miles or I can pay you for your gas to comne here, I need it tuned with openecu/ecu flash. my cell is 740-348-6084, thanks, Randy
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I NEED SOMEONE TO TUNE MY CAR! I have the cash and I can tow it wherever, the car is done it just needs tuned, pleez email me at eclipse2ner@hotmail.com if you help me out, I'm in Ohio but I cna tow it up to 250 miles or I can pay you for your gas to comne here, I need it tuned with openecu/ecu flash. my cell is 740-348-6084, thanks, Randy
Hey man, why don't you just do it yourself? If you don't know how, it will take some learning, but its not impossible.

Or take it to a shop?
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I found 2 shops around here but neither one of them can get to it for 2 weeks, I don't have any experience with tuning and I don't want to F it up, I pretty much did the whole engine swap and turbo conversion but The closest I've ever came to tuning was using a datalogger on my 1st gen. eclipses, I just wanted to know if anyone had the hardware/software and basic knowledge of it so that I can get it tuned at least just for daily driving until the shop can tune it on the dyno, I'll post pix of the final product in a few.

Another thing is is that I lost the fire ring that sits in between the wastegate and the wastegate flange on the exhaust manifold, the gas is just leaking out the wastegate and I was told that the fire ring I lost would seal the wastegate.
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now the only other problem I have is that the wastegate has two threaded holes, one of which I have connected to the boost source(FPR) the other the shop told me ws strictly for a boost controller, is this correct? and I still can't find that darn fire ring

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The bottom is for the boost source, and the top is for the boost controller. Without a boost controller, you're going to be running spring pressure.

They gave you correct info

And.... I've never heard of a fire ring.. only a gasket. They make a 38mm wastegate gasket that should help the leak
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Buschur Racing in Wakeman ohio prob ur best bet for tuning in ohio
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I'm just waiting for the shop I guess, 450 to tune it on the dyno, he said it would take him a day or two tho... anywhoo I remember having the fire ring, it's like a silver collar that seals the wastegate, some of them have them some don't, I just don't know where the frick it is or where to get another
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I'm just waiting for the shop I guess, 450 to tune it on the dyno, he said it would take him a day or two tho... anywhoo I remember having the fire ring, it's like a silver collar that seals the wastegate, some of them have them some don't, I just don't know where the frick it is or where to get another
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Why are you blowing through the stock mas? and is that the rubber coupler that came with your aem intake?
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this is what I need, i guess it wont work without it, I'm still lookin for it, I'm about to get a new one. It fits between the wastegate and the exhaust manifold


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I'm blowing through the stock mas for now, It'll be pull through when it gets tuned, yes that's the AEM elbow
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well, I found the ring I needed, I'm about to install it and we'll see how it runs!!
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I ran the car and it runs/boosts, now it just needs tuned, I'll post a video tonight
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hell yea, post that shit man. I always LOVE to see boosted 4g64's. We're growing in numbers... even though my car isn't working at the moment....lol
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here ya go, still untuned



the smoke is the oil burning off the exhaust manifold tht was spilled lol
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the smoke is the oil burning off the exhaust manifold tht was spilled lol
Jeez man, you must have spilled a shitload of oil When you were revving it up higher, you could definitely hear the lack of tuning in the exhaust, but it sounds good. Congrats on getting it running
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your BOV isn't opening, at least it sounds like compressor surge. I had that before I switched my vacuum source.

I just took a look, and you need to have your pressure source -----> wastegate before the TB (most setups I have seen use the turbo outlet nipple)

Your BOV vacuum source -----> after the TB. Not tapped off the same line.


The point of having a vacuum source for the BOV, is when you let off the throttle the TB closes, and the engine creates more vacuum than air getting around the TB. This vacuum is actually what activates the BOV, and venting the excess air on the cold side of the intercooler piping. Its not opening and the extra air is pressing against your compressor turbine. I drove like that for a while thinking it was my BOV "breaking in", boy was I wrong. You need to get that fixed asap bro, its not healthy for your turbo.

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your BOV isn't opening, at least it sounds like compressor surge. I had that before I switched my vacuum source.

I just took a look, and you need to have your pressure source -----> wastegate before the TB (most setups I have seen use the turbo outlet nipple)

Your BOV vacuum source -----> after the TB. Not tapped off the same line.
so I need to have the nipple on the BOV connected to the intake manifold, say the FPR or a nipple off the runner, then I need to have the wastegate nipple connected to threaded fitting on the hotside closest to the turbine outlet?
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here's a high res pic of the engine bay so you can determine what needs to go where, thanks guys, it's gettin tuned wednesday so I need to have this stuff working before I take it to Slomotion racing

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so I need to have the nipple on the BOV connected to the intake manifold, say the FPR or a nipple off the runner, then I need to have the wastegate nipple connected to threaded fitting on the hotside closest to the turbine outlet?
Sounds good. And its the compressor outlet, from what I understand. The turbine is where the exhaust travels through.
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lol that's what I meant yeah, I'll try all of the above and see how it does.
BTW I think that the wastegate may be leaking, the oil is all gone yet I still have heavy smoke, the only other thing I can think of is that exhaust gas is coming out of the dump tube... what do you guys think?

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Yeah, you want the side nipple of the wastegate to be connected to a boost (positive pressure) source only, which can be found anywhere before the throttle body. The most popular way is to connect it to the nipple on the compressor (cold side) housing of the turbo, since most turbos have this nipple installed from the factory. If you didn't connect anything to this nipple, you now have a tiny boost leak.

The BOV uses a boost/vacuum source, which can be found anywhere after the throttle body. The BOV is pulled open when a vacuum is created after the throttle body, which would result from the throttle body plate closing, which would result from a sudden decrease in throttle, which is why the BOV opens between shifts on a manual transmission.

You should definitely figure out where that smoke is coming from before running your engine too long. You might have an oil leak somewhere. Check over your feed and return lines. I doubt it's coming from the dump tube because your wastegate shouldn't be open at idle, therefore very little (if any) exhaust gas will be coming out of it.
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I agree that the wastegate shouldn't be open at all at idle, it may crack early if you have a weak spring, but definately not at idle.

And no matter where the exhaust is coming out of, heavy constant smoke isn't normal. I found out I blew my motor, and drove on it for over a month that way until it wouldn't start. I hope you don't end up in the same situation. Get that smoke addressed, whether it is a rich condition or oil, make it your first problem.
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might be a oil seal in the turbo. DSM are notorious for that.
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might be a oil seal in the turbo. DSM are notorious for that.
wouldnt be surprised if it was the turbocharger. its an ebay special. theyre junk.
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wouldnt be surprised if it was the turbocharger. its an ebay special. theyre junk.
I remember when I used to have a brand new $200 ebay turbo. It looked nice but i couldn't even spin the compressor wheel. It wouldn't budge at all.
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well the BOV was connected to the FPR and so was the wastegate, I'll keep the BOV where it is or should I find a nipple directly off the manifold? I'll move the Wasteagate to one of the boosting intercooler pipes, the smoke was the dump tube, the gasket was broke, I replaced it and it's fine.
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well, do you guys think it's ready to be tuned? I moved the Wastegate line from the FPR to the Upper intercooler pipe,
(there's no nipple on the turbo or LICP) and replaced that wastegate gasket so theres no more smoke, the BOV is running on a T fitting between a nipple on the Intake manifold (after the TB) and the FPR




sorry but the camera I used this time sux so the revving sounds really wierd but it sounds like the other video, but you can hear the BOV open under boost but it just flutters if you don't hot boost... does that sound normal? I've never had an aftermarket bov or external wasategate so idk, it definately opens under boost tho.

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that sounded like alot of compressor growl.
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that sounded like alot of compressor growl.
compressor growl? define please!
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check your compressor housing, make sure you dont have scoring on the inlet from the blade.
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i will in the morning, so you think that theres shaft play? ive had that before and it made a whistling noise.... this sounds more like a fluttering, like the bov opens then closes too quick and the pressure backs up...
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all i know is that sounds god awful and a turbo should not sound like that.
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Its really hard to tell with that quality video. It is better than video #1

I'd take it to the shop, but be prepared to purchase a new turbo if/when this one craps out on you man.
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i didn't get to check the housing, it's still at the tuning shop, if it's f'd then I can rebuild the T3/T4 .42 trim with garrett internals right? The shop installed new plugs, Put in 93 Octane, Moved the MAF-S to the pull-through setup, It idles great now.

Corey, the tuner at Slomotion, couldn't get the definition file to work for the ROM so I used flashBlueRS's modified rom of the evo 8 ecu, it worked great and Corey was able to start tuning, the only difference between the 2 ecu's that will affect tuning is the Intercooler sprayer(Obviously not important)Boost control solenoid(again Not important enough) Ful pressure sensor and fuel pump sensor.

I'm trying to figure out whether or not the shop is goin to have any other problems with tuning, I'm sure many of you have tuned your own vehicles, he's putting it on the dyno and I want to make sure it's not going to blow. he also put a 2step in it so that it build boost, it's freakin awesome lol then I had him up the revv limiter to 6.3k. Any suggestions or extras you guys can think of to help?

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ok, car's tuned and I'm goin to pick it up now, I'm also doin 3 dyno pulls, I'll video them for you guys
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ok, car's tuned and I'm goin to pick it up now, I'm also doin 3 dyno pulls, I'll video them for you guys
Hell yea! I forgot to do a vid when I left for the Dyno! I'd love to see it!
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the only difference between the 2 ecu's that will affect tuning is the Intercooler sprayer(Obviously not important)Boost control solenoid(again Not important enough) Ful pressure sensor and fuel pump sensor.
This is all very important if you want your check engine light to go away, and to be able to pass emissions without someone on the inside. Of course, you would have to get an evo ecu and hook these sensors up because the eclipse ecu supposedly won't work with them.
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This is all very important if you want your check engine light to go away, and to be able to pass emissions without someone on the inside. Of course, you would have to get an evo ecu and hook these sensors up because the eclipse ecu supposedly won't work with them.
don't have a check engine light.

203WHP 250WTQ
that's with a blown wastegate gasket, I'm takin it back tomorrow to get it re-dynoed, I'm uessing it has around 240HP and 280WTQ, it was only boostin at 5psi on the dyno but now its at 8-9, I'll post video of one run in a few
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5psi, 203whp/250wtq with the component you used, i call bullshit. post dyno sheets and videos.
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YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

here's the link for when the video is working, shouldn't be that much longer, I'll post the dyno sheet later today when I get it out of my dad's saturn, I'm not lying but I understand your disbelief, I was just as suprised loltry the link in like 5 minutes, it should be approved by then
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Congrats on getting it tuned. Sounds MUCH better than before.
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I take it back, 203WHP 248WTQ lol, nd boy can I feel a difference in the torque lol, my freakin turbo spools at 1900RPMS!!!!

here's the working video

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here's the DYNO sheet, I took a few pix so you can see everything, it says
"4G64, T3/T4 42 trim, Stock Motor, 2"DP, 7psi, Stock ECU Reflash done by Slowmotion Motorsports

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I'm guessing the turbo seals are bad, I'm not sure I haven't had a good look yet but the exhaust is soo bad when I revv it the gas comes in the car when I have the vent on, it's not a little smoke, it seems like ALL of it, I'm not sure if it's the turbo seals tho because it spools up quick as hell and boosts great, like I said I'll have to look at it but are there any points of interest you guys think I should take a close look at? I was thinking Turbine housing, wastegate/Dump Tube, and downpipe, the exhaust comes in the car even when I'm revving to 2k rpms, hardly enough for it to build 7psi


Please email me if you have either a .42-.50 trim or rebuild parts from garret for a .42 trim, even if it's not the problem I want it being able to last.
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well it was definately not the turbo seals, the turbine housing to downpipe bolts were loose and the exhaust was leaking out lol, also I tightened up all the bolts and everything is back to normal!

btw, I was wrong it seems like it WAS at 7psi on the dyno, when I left it only boosted to 5psi bcuz of the wastegate leak lol

So what do you all think?
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I like the #'s. I think you're being conservative at 7psi, and thats good. Running too much will kill your engine... I know. Congrats on getting it all buttoned up. I was skeptical that you'd get it all done, but you did great! Good job
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I like the #'s. I think you're being conservative at 7psi, and thats good. Running too much will kill your engine... I know. Congrats on getting it all buttoned up. I was skeptical that you'd get it all done, but you did great! Good job
thanks! this is my daily driver and until I get all the kinks worked out(just fixed the exhaust leak, had to move the mafs to pull through, etc.) I don't want to run higher boost. the AFR was almost dead on perfect when we tuned it, it actually ran lean when we first flashed the evo rom but it runs perfectly now, the 2-step is set at 4k for a launch but I'll have to take that down to 2900 lol, this turbo spool is crazy. But like I said once it goes a couple weeks without anything needing to be replaced I'll turn the boost up to 10, then re-dyno it but it's not going over ten until I get new pistons/rings in.
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