Virtuaframax Turbo Project

[virtuaframax]

As stated in the title, another turbo project.

First of all I have to thank all you turboed guys (particularly NAPALM, BENZ01GS, GSKNIGHT, CloudINC00, Chief Brody, XwP1ayawX, DNS-EN, and BALLA for their threads, posts, replies and comments).

I have been reading the FI section since I joined the club and definitely learnt a lot… I finally decided to start piecing together my turbo project… started getting the basic things. I will run 8psi on stock internals.
But here is my list of things (I loved the way Benz01 layout to show his turbo project, so I will copy that):

TURBO, MANIFOLD AND IC:

* EVO 8 Turbo - Bought Uninstall
* Forge Adjustable Actuator -
* Megan Racing Evo 8 Manifold - Bought Uninstall
* RRE SS Angled Spacer - bought
* Evo 8 Ported o2 Housing - Bought Uninstall
* Ebay FMIC: 28x7x2.5 – 2.5” – Bought Uninstall
* Evo 8 LICP + Custom IC piping from Universal Kit 2.5” – Bought Uninstall
* Top Fuel BOV with pipe - Bought Uninstall
* DEI Heat Wrap - Bought


EXHAUST:

* EVO VIII Downpipe - Bought uninstall
* GReddy EVO 2 CB 2.5"– Bought Installed
* Catco HFC – Bought Installed
* Weld on Wideband Bung – Bought uninstalled

OIL/COOLING:

* Oil feeding and drain lines –
* New Oil pan, gasket and sealant -
* Oil Sandwich from filter - Bought and installed
* Fitting for Oil line on pan -

FUEL/IGNITION/ELECTRONICS

* NGK Spark plugs (1 range colder) –
* Magnecore Spark plugs wires – Bought installed
* WRX 440cc injectors – Bought
* New o-ring for fuel Injector - Bought
* Autometer A1000 + fitting –
* Walbro 255 FP – Bought Uninstalled
* AEM UEGO WB – Bought Uninstalled
* Autometer Digital EGT gauge (52mm) - bought
* AEM Tru-Boost gauge (52mm) - Bought
* Emanage Blue– Bought
* Emanage Support tool - Bought
* Boomslang Harness -
* Tactrix Cable - Bought
* EVOScan – Bought and working
* ECUFlash – Bought and working
* GM MAF - Bought
* MAF-T -

MISCELLANEOUS:

* New gaskets, bolts, nuts (copper) - Bought Uninstall
* The Bible: "Maximum Boost: Designing, Testing and Installing Turbocharger Systems" – Bought
* Red vacuum lines – Bought
* KYB AGX - Ordered
* Blox Vacuum manifold - Bought
* Speedhut 3 gauge pillar (52mm) - bought

I am planning on doing the install myself (with a friend) starting on a Friday night and hopefully finishing it on Sunday. By the time of the install everything will be already tested for fittings and measurements (cutting, welding, measuring each part will be done thru the next months during the weekends) so that it will be a true bolt on.
Since my car is a Sporty, the tuning will be initially thru a piggyback (Emanage) for the parts i cannot manage with ECUFlash... once the Airtek rom will be cracked... emanage in the trash!

Please feel free to give any suggestion and comment on parts I choose. Add anything I forgot and ask questions, cause I am still a newbie and no matter how much I read the threads, I am always learning something new.

Once again thanks to everyone!

Fra

[GSKNIGHT]

Looks like you've got a really good handle on things.

You'll be tuning with EcuFlash, correct?

[cyberbrain]

why use the emanage blue???? It wont work with the ecu on the timing and 440;s can easily be flashed into the ecu??? just curious.

[virtuaframax]

I'll use ECUflash, but im not that good at it yet, so just in case i wont be on top of ecuflash by the time i do the install, i can at least tune with the emanage...

[toogood11]

ah you should have maybe given the new aem fuel/ignition controller a shot instead of an emanage. i think im going to save up for one and see how well it holds up to an emanage/emanage ultimate.

[XwP1ayawX]

Ooooooh I got a thank you

[ace79603]

hey good luck Virtua

[virtuaframax]

i have a question regarding the BOV since i havent chosen one yet...
firts of all: should i have my BOV recirculated? the answer i gave myself is yes... (even if i wont have the nice hissing sound).
the second questrion is: if the answer to my first question is yes, at this point i dont need anything fancy and i guess i can go with a stock 1G or 2G BOV, right? or should i get a brand name?

[steadly2004]

The big thing with the BOV is whether its before or after the MAS. If you're using a suck through... most common.... then the air has already been measured and when you vent to the atmosphere the car thinks it is getting more air than it is and will run rich.

However if you are using a blow through/speed density or something like that, you can vent to the atmosphere. If blow through, you must vent before it hits the MAS.
*note* you shouldn't blow through our MAS, and if you wanted to do that, you could use a GM MAF, with a thranslator*



The type of BOV is up to you, I just wouldn't suggest getting anything that is an E-bay knockoff. I mean, either get an 1g/2g oem or a brand name BOV. Thats my opinion, take it as such.

[virtuaframax]

hey steadly2004, thanks a lot for ur answer... thats exactly what i thought... im going for the suck through set up... thats y i knew i had to do a recirculated BOV...
i remember reading about the GM MAF and translator in case of a blow thru setup...

[steadly2004]

Yea, I am using the Blow through... I just like the idea of metering it after it has been through the intercooler and changed temperature.

And I am glad to hear that you have read up on the subject.

[virtuaframax]

Originally Posted by steadly2004

Yea, I am using the Blow through... I just like the idea of metering it after it has been through the intercooler and changed temperature.

And I am glad to hear that you have read up on the subject.

do u have any idling problem?

[virtuaframax]

question on the floor: whats ur advice for a turbo gauge? i kinda find myself debating between the AEM tru-boost gauge and an autometer... i leaning towards the AEM since i have already have the UEGO... SUggestions?

[3GwithVOLKS]

Originally Posted by virtuaframax

question on the floor: whats ur advice for a turbo gauge? i kinda find myself debating between the AEM tru-boost gauge and an autometer... i leaning towards the AEM since i have already have the UEGO... SUggestions?

I'd stay away from autometer unless it is a mechanical gauge. They have a tendency of being inaccurate. I have the Greddy 60mm peak/warn gauges and couldnt be happier. They are big enough to read clearly, can set a warning light to come on once the desired boost is reached so you can back off, and when your done you can press a button and see what the highest level of boost was.

[ace79603]

there is a guy selling an HKS bolw off valve for 125 I belive

[steadly2004]

Originally Posted by 3GwithVOLKS

I'd stay away from autometer unless it is a mechanical gauge. They have a tendency of being inaccurate. I have the Greddy 60mm peak/warn gauges and couldnt be happier. They are big enough to read clearly, can set a warning light to come on once the desired boost is reached so you can back off, and when your done you can press a button and see what the highest level of boost was.

I thought that once the desired boost is reached, the wastegate should open up and prevent it from boosting past that level? Meaning you shouldn't have to let off?

Oh, and with the AEM guages, I went with all AEM, after purchasing the wideband. And when I got the boost guage, I got the combo that is a controller also, since the difference in price is equal to that of a manual boost controller. Then I purchased the oil pressure, it was either that or EGT, but I only have a 3 guage pillar pod, and don't want to loose one of my AC vents. I don't know if the clock pod would work, since my dash is different from the eclipse.

do u have any idling problem?

its still in the shop, I'll have to let you know once I get it back. I was too pussy to do my own install.

[3gEclipseRS]

Originally Posted by steadly2004

I thought that once the desired boost is reached, the wastegate should open up and prevent it from boosting past that level? Meaning you shouldn't have to let off?

Oh, and with the AEM guages, I went with all AEM, after purchasing the wideband. And when I got the boost guage, I got the combo that is a controller also, since the difference in price is equal to that of a manual boost controller. Then I purchased the oil pressure, it was either that or EGT, but I only have a 3 guage pillar pod, and don't want to loose one of my AC vents. I don't know if the clock pod would work, since my dash is different from the eclipse.


its still in the shop, I'll have to let you know once I get it back. I was too pussy to do my own install.

Sorry to temporarily hijack the thread. How much is it costing you right now to do the install on your car? Im looking having a shop install mine,and was reading this thread for info.

[steadly2004]

well, it isn't done yet, but coming out to approximately.....3000 labor (including dyno tune), 1000 parts (repurchased stuff that didn't work out).... 500 timing belt labor and associated parts...... 500 new motor mounts, custom fabricated and installed.


It would have been another 500-800 if I could have come up with the cash for a custom mandrel bent cat back exhaust, but for now its 3" down to the cat, and a crappy crush bent 2.5" cat and everything back from it.

I had quite a few cheaper offers, but this shop was the cleanest most reputable shop I could find to do the install. They are all ASE certified mechanics and AEM trained tuners. check out my thread.


Sorry about the thread jack, if you have any more questions for me, direct it to my thread:
Steadly's turbo talk

[virtuaframax]

Originally Posted by steadly2004

well, it isn't done yet, but coming out to approximately.....3000 labor (including dyno tune), 1000 parts (repurchased stuff that didn't work out).... 500 timing belt labor and associated parts...... 500 new motor mounts, custom fabricated and installed.


It would have been another 500-800 if I could have come up with the cash for a custom mandrel bent cat back exhaust, but for now its 3" down to the cat, and a crappy crush bent 2.5" cat and everything back from it.

I had quite a few cheaper offers, but this shop was the cleanest most reputable shop I could find to do the install. They are all ASE certified mechanics and AEM trained tuners. check out my thread.


Sorry about the thread jack, if you have any more questions for me, direct it to my thread:
Steadly's turbo talk

3000 for the installation??? that sounds pretty pricey... since ure giving them all the parts... im gonna install it myself with a couple of friends... we're gonna start friday night and try to have everything done by sunday... however, we dont wanna rush... by the time of the installation, everything we'll be figured out and measured... so we should be good!

[3GwithVOLKS]

Originally Posted by steadly2004

I thought that once the desired boost is reached, the wastegate should open up and prevent it from boosting past that level? Meaning you shouldn't have to let off?

boost creep or boost spikes. it happens. More common with internally gated turbos. For example. My wastegate opens at 7psi and then creeps up to 15-20psi by redline. I need to stop being lazy and install my tial.

[virtuaframax]

thats something i didnt know about internally wastegated turbos... i might just change my setup and get an external wastegate with a small T3 then... i though internally wastegated turbos were pretty safe on that!

[steadly2004]

I hope your install goes smoothly. I haven't had my car for almost 6 weeks... but it'll be worth it. GOOD LUCK! and keep us updated.

[3GwithVOLKS]

Originally Posted by virtuaframax

thats something i didnt know about internally wastegated turbos... i might just change my setup and get an external wastegate with a small T3 then... i though internally wastegated turbos were pretty safe on that!

it might not happen to you. That is just what happens to be and also some of my dsm friends it has happened to. You can still use a 16g and use an external wastegate. That is what I am doing and I have seen another member on the boards do it.His set up it looks like he welded a flange to the manifold and did it that way. With mine, my downpipe already has the downpipe and wastgate dump divorced. So, what i am going to do is use a little piece off of the wastgate dump mount the tial on it, and then im finally going to resirculate the wastegate back in the downpipe cause the open dump has gotten annoying.

[virtuaframax]

Originally Posted by steadly2004

I hope your install goes smoothly. I haven't had my car for almost 6 weeks... but it'll be worth it. GOOD LUCK! and keep us updated.

thanks man... the installation doesnt scare me too much... what im more concern about is the first tune... i hope i will be able to have it running decently right away and then day by day fine tune it...

[4G64TT]

if you dump the O2 it takes care of boost creep...

[3GwithVOLKS]

Originally Posted by 4G64TT

if you dump the O2 it takes care of boost creep...

really? mine is dumped and it still crteeps from 7psi to 15-20psi. and i have had 2 different mitsu wastegates on it

[Benz01GS]

NOICE, you seem to have been doing your research.

A+

[virtuaframax]

thanks Benz... might change the turbo to an EVO8 if i get a good deal... we'll see

[virtuaframax]

well... as u can see, i got a good deal on a brand new EVO 8 Turbo... so i chaged my set up to that...
do u know if any mitsu wg actuator work on the EVO8?

[toogood11]

you need a evo 8 specific wastegate acuator for that turbocharger.

if you bought it brand new, it SHOULD come with an acuator on it already.

[virtuaframax]

Originally Posted by toogood11

you need a evo 8 specific wastegate acuator for that turbocharger.

if you bought it brand new, it SHOULD come with an acuator on it already.

Its brand new, but the guy i bought it from i guess removed it. My question is: can i use any actuator from a EVO3 turbo?

[Benz01GS]

I've never heard anything about that... You could take it as an opportunity to buy a brand new FORGE wastegate actuator, or change it from an internally gated to externally gated set-up.

[Benz01GS]

Originally Posted by virtuaframax

well... as u can see, i got a good deal on a brand new EVO 8 Turbo... so i chaged my set up to that...
do u know if any mitsu wg actuator work on the EVO8?

Don't forget the Exhaust manifold flange that you'll need for the Evo VIII Manifold... ground down to 1/8" on top, and 3/8" on bottom

[toogood11]

Originally Posted by virtuaframax

My question is: can i use any actuator from a EVO3 turbo?

dude, i just answered this. you need a evo 8 specific wastegate acuator for that turbocharger.

its very obvious if you just look at the acuators, you can tell they mount differently.

[virtuaframax]

i found a EVO 8 actuator set at 12 psi... i think im just gonna get that and mount it on the turbo.
toogood11: thanks for the answer... i didnt know that since ive always been looking at the EVO3 set up and suddenly i came across a EVO8 turbo and didnt want to miss the deal! thanks for the info

[toogood11]

no problem. i think the stock setting on evo's is 12psi? but i may be wrong. keep up the progress.

[virtuaframax]

Originally Posted by toogood11

no problem. i think the stock setting on evo's is 12psi? but i may be wrong. keep up the progress.

it is 12 psi... so i might have to get a boost controller or just get the AEM Tru Boost Gauge, that allows to change the boost

[virtuaframax]

i have a question for you guys...
will i need a turbo o2 housing with the EVO VIII turbo? im pretty sure i will, ut ive never noticed it on the setups... anybody can help?

[Benz01GS]

yes, as long as you'r using the internal wastegate and evo dp, you will need the 02 housing.

[virtuaframax]

perfect... thats what i thought... i have the internal wastegate (actuator) and ill probably pick up a evo dp somewhere...

[virtuaframax]

i was thinking of picking up a EVO oil pan so that i dont have to mess with drilling and fittings... it should be a bolt on, right? i mean, it should be the 4G64 pan. am i correct?

[Benz01GS]

yes, but you'll also need the pickup as well. That's the reason I didn't buy it.

[4G64TT]

if you are wanting an evo 8 downpipe i got one ill sell ya... i picked it up with the evo exhaust i bought...

[virtuaframax]

Originally Posted by 4G64TT

if you are wanting an evo 8 downpipe i got one ill sell ya... i picked it up with the evo exhaust i bought...

how much for it shipped to 60302? and is it new or used?

[virtuaframax]

heres the latest purchase:


it looks sweet... what do u guys think?

[Benz01GS]

I like it, but take pictures of the actual one when you get it...

You'll have to take a bit off the top of the runners, and bend it up enough (I think about 10-15*) in order to clear the starter. Then go and get it rewelded.

Like I said in my thread, it'll end up costing significantly less, and look significantly better than the OEM Evo mani. Make sure you come up with a good way to keep it from cracking, though.

[RandomEclipse]

Cracking was what i was worried about
but damn that looks sweet
hope it holds.

[virtuaframax]

i bought last night, so ill receive hopefully by the ned of the week and for sure at that point i will start taking some pics of all the parts i accumulated so far...
as soon as ill receive it i will start testing the fitment and realize what needs to be done...
ill keep u posted guys!

[CloudINC00]

change those gaskets though.

[virtuaframax]

i was thinking of getting copper gaskets for eveything if i can find them!

[virtuaframax]

heres what i got in the mail today... absolutely nice...

[steadly2004]

beautiful

[4G64TT]

seems like a few people are doing the exact same setup lol...
i have the same megan manny but black.

[slava]

Looks nice when new . Enjoy.

[virtuaframax]

Originally Posted by slava

Looks nice when new . Enjoy.

it looks all shiny and clean... and absolutely gorgeous!!!

[virtuaframax]

Here are some pics of the parts collected so far...

AEM UEGO Wideband

Evo VIII Turbo and actuator

Top Fuel BOV

Walbro 255


the IC is in the car and i didnt feel like going to get it...

[virtuaframax]

using the spacer to clear the starter, will i need longet exhaust studs? i think i will, but im not sure if these will be long enugh:
www.ssstuds.com
its the set for the 2G with the two 10M studs for the sides and copper nuts...
Let me know guys before i buy them!

[GSKNIGHT]

Originally Posted by virtuaframax

using the spacer to clear the starter, will i need longet exhaust studs? i think i will, but im not sure if these will be long enugh:
www.ssstuds.com
its the set for the 2G with the two 10M studs for the sides and copper nuts...
Let me know guys before i buy them!

They already sell an extended stud kit. Just tell them what you are doing, and they will know what to give you.

Good luck.

[trip]

nice work man nice to see someone in chicago area doing this too, im in the middle of this project too stuck on the tuning and spacer for now, pm me if u need any help

[virtuaframax]

just ordered the extended stud kit with copper nuts... waiting to receive the o2 housing and evo dp and then its fitment time!!!!