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Old 03/26/2010, 05:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Remove slot in bumper 4 direct air?

call it a newbie question but except for the water, wouldnt it be a good idea to remove the slot in the front bumper under the driver side turn signal for more of a "ram air" effect for my cold air intake? is this common? wise? i need opinions
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Old 03/26/2010, 05:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If you look at PharmEcis' avatar he did that, but his car was also boosted so he had a legitimate reason. If you're not boosted and/or haven't done anything else major don't waste your time. It wouldn't help you much.
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you wont get any more air in there. even in a boosted car. put a vac gauge down there. you will never see any vacuum. if you cut it out, you will never see any boost in pressure. look at the bottom of the bumper.. that GIANT hole in the bottom is all you will ever need. now, if you want to do it for looks.. go ahead. plus (if you are running a stock intake) you don't even get your air from there.

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Old 03/26/2010, 05:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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RogueTune03 did it. He fabricated it to look nice. There is no way you will feel any gains though.
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there was also a guy that turned the 2 vents per side into one big vent per side. it looked pretty nice.. except he didn't have anything behind it. if he added some baffling to make them look deliberate, they would been the bee's knees.
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to the op, you could get the grill craft inserts and call it a day, they look real good and allow air through there. i have some for sale for the 03 style bumper
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maybe "the bee's knees" is more of a local thing... it mean the coolest thing out there.
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I cut one on the drivers side, Planning to make some kind of ramtube thing for the fun of doing it. but regardless, I cut it flush across the back, so its a curved vent going inwards, and put a gutter guard from home depot behind it. I painted it black, and you almost can't tell its missing! Gutter guards are like 3 bucks for 5 and it works great! perfect size (put 2 together) for the hole in the front also
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Boosted cars will actually somewhat benefit to having a better path of flow, why do you think whenever you see a single snail MKIV Supra go down the track it usually has it's passenger's side headlight out.
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mine on the drivers side are cut out
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don't they even make supra headlights that have just a hole where the high beam is supposed to be so people can just set their filter right behind there?
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don't they even make supra headlights that have just a hole where the high beam is supposed to be so people can just set their filter right behind there?
Never seen them before, but that does sound like a good idea.
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Boosted cars will actually somewhat benefit to having a better path of flow, why do you think whenever you see a single snail MKIV Supra go down the track it usually has it's passenger's side headlight out.
well, that is debatable if they really need it or not, but that is a different situation. they are going at huge speeds on the track, and they don't have the cavernous area with huge openings in the bottom like our bumper. plus getting the air from down there defeats alot of the benefits. if you got the CF hood that many don't like (with the intake vent on the driver's side) and sealed that to a snorkel, routing you a short ram.... you would have a better set-up than ANY CAI, with bumper cutting could ever get... and the CAI would actually be warmer. the air would flow in fast, and cold (it would even be colder, since it is away from the road.) and have a nice short path to the engine. so if you are going to do a whole air box set up, do something like that.

heck, if you wanted to go all out, take your battery and put it somewhere else (i am talking in an NA car) and put you air box there. then have the maf in between your new air box, and your TB. cut a vent in the hood, seal it all up, and POW quick cold air. the key is to seal the box, so that the warm engine air cannot get in. and long intake tubes will actually warm the air up a little. CAI's are cold because of the location.. per say. they are cold because they suck in air away from the engine bay. if you get it directly from the outside of the car (on the hood) you have eliminated the warm engine heat.
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I saw a picture of a members ride here that had done it and it looked pretty good. Enough to make me want to do it my self, I just don't really have time or space right now. For some reason I want to think it was Bitter's car... I don't remember exactly now tho.
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bitter had one of the cleanest looking cutouts of just the vents i have seen (and with the lip kit, it looked pretty good.) my only problem is when a lot of people do that they just make a hole, and you see light, and ground, and all kinds of stuff back there. a little box to direct the air (and stop the seeing of background parts.. like tires and street) would be the way to really make a cutout look good. make it look factory and deliberate, and you will be full of win.
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Theres the actual vent. cheapo gutterguards cover it.
Yes i was sloppy with the bumper, but it needed to be replaced and re-cut for the intercooler anyways.

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Your fake vents look like golf balls.
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HAHAHA i noticed that!! thats the factory insert things, just painted over cuz they looked like CRAP
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I had painted mine and didn't like that either, so a can of bondoglass and some sanding and here's what I got


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Looks like a bunch of turn signals.

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^^ never seen it done like that. Very nice job looks good.
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I was actually thinking of doing three turn signals and trying to make them flash
sequentially like the new mustangs brake lights, but this was much easier and i did not have to cut my bumper up. I brought them to my body shop I always go too and they painted them for free.
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Thanks, I like doing things differently that I have not seen before
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i have always wondered how that would look. personally i like it.
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I painted my little vents right after I got my car back from its new jet black paint. I went with a custom gun metal color to match my new 18in wheels and also to match my front window gutter and my gas door lol.... I did a lot with that paint color.

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^ They don't make them that way. My boyfriends made a extra pass side headlight with that ram air tube. So I kinda know a little bit about it. They dont sell and make them but you can make your own for a MKIV TT.


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I meant to reply to this when it first was posted. Back in 2000 Tony and Sam did rather extensive testing with WAI/CAI and air quantities/temperatures using a data logger.

They found that there were no benefits to cutting out the vents for either. The intake temperature was slightly lower for a CAI when not moving, once you started any forward motion the intake temperatures were the same for WAI/CAI with/without the vents cut.
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I have mine cut on the drivers side, but in reality what that should be for is a power steering or oil cooler behind those openings, not to supply air to your intake. It won't necessarily hurt (See below), but don't expect some magical hp gain from doing that or fabricated a "ram air" scoop.

I also had more issues with my cut vents and CAI while driving through rain where a bypass valve will have zero effect on what issues I had.

Error code 0170 - That has links to the corresponding threads with all the info if anyone cares.
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I have mine cut on the drivers side, but in reality what that should be for is a power steering or oil cooler behind those openings, not to supply air to your intake. It won't necessarily hurt (See below), but don't expect some magical hp gain from doing that or fabricated a "ram air" scoop.

I also had more issues with my cut vents and CAI while driving through rain where a bypass valve will have zero effect on what issues I had.

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THAT is a good idea... i may have to use that.
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you might be further ahead to try to duct that air to the brakes.
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I meant to reply to this when it first was posted. Back in 2000 Tony and Sam did rather extensive testing with WAI/CAI and air quantities/temperatures using a data logger.

They found that there were no benefits to cutting out the vents for either. The intake temperature was slightly lower for a CAI when not moving, once you started any forward motion the intake temperatures were the same for WAI/CAI with/without the vents cut.
^ wow thanks for that info...

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^ Hmm good idea. I might look into that after I do the brembo swap and if I do it I will make a thread with pix and post it.

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I know this thread is old as hell but maybe I can revive it a little.
I've been thinking of doing something similar in my car because I have a CAI for when I eventually turbo, but the CAI is just a paperweight right now because there's no heat shielding for the air filter. So I've been thinking of doing this, not for hp gains but for the purpose of supplying my engine with nice, fresh, cold air.

So to the point, I wanted to hopefully get some insight into how difficult this is and maybe get some ideas from people who've done it on how I can ensure the air is filtered and I'm not flinging road debris into my engine, while also keeping the profile of the tubing very small. Thanks for any help!
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3G's don't have a full underbelly splash shield. They already get plenty of cold air from the bottom of the engine. Removing the fake inserts and retroing them to be actual intakes won't do anything for you.
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I know this thread is old as hell but maybe I can revive it a little.
I've been thinking of doing something similar in my car because I have a CAI for when I eventually turbo, but the CAI is just a paperweight right now because there's no heat shielding for the air filter. So I've been thinking of doing this, not for hp gains but for the purpose of supplying my engine with nice, fresh, cold air.

So to the point, I wanted to hopefully get some insight into how difficult this is and maybe get some ideas from people who've done it on how I can ensure the air is filtered and I'm not flinging road debris into my engine, while also keeping the profile of the tubing very small. Thanks for any help!
You'll be tossing the CAI when you go turbo, if you even bother at all.
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The purpose of supplying the engine with nice, fresh, cold air is *for* hp gains.

You ensure the air is filtered by running an air filter on the end of your CAI.
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