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Old 03/31/2015, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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VSS wiring (auto to manual swap)

Have an 03 Eclipse with an EVO8 ecu in it. It was an auto that was converted to manual. Trying to wire the VSS (vehicle speed sensor) but having an issue understanding what to do. I have the sensor installed and a pigtial harness. I have no idea what is power, ground or signal. The wire colors are black, yellow, white. I am going to assume black is ground, white is power, yellow is signal. So I am going to run a wire from the signal wire to pin 86 on the evo ecu and it should work (after I give sensor power and ground)?

Currently I have the ecu wired like this: Pi #104 and #80 (Eclipse side of harness) wired into pin #80 (Evo8 ecu) I was told this was the way to do it. Put how that works in the engine bay side wiring the harness into the VSS I do not know.

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nobody has done an auto to manual swap in an 03 eclipse and wired the VSS to work? Anybody?
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Chad did an auto>manual swap but I believe he had someone else wire it up for him, so I don't know if he'll be able to help much. Most people seem to buy/recommend a manual eclipse instead of attempting the swap.
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Im the one working on Chads car

Swap was done but the wiring was never done. Trying to keep labor hours down by finding someone you already did it versus going in and figuring it out myself.

The evo ecu just has a single wire input for speed but the eclipse has an input and output...
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Oh, I thought it was all finished up... if the site bares no fruit, post up what you figure out, I'd be interested in the swap a couple years down the road. This may be horrible advice but you could attempt asking in the c3g facebook group.........
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Well it is all done except the VSS wiring and tuning. Thought the VSS was going to be pretty easy. I NEED the VSS working in order to set roll speed calibration on the dyno to tune so it has to be done. LOL
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found a schematic to reference. This applies to rewiring 03-05 Eclipse auto to manual

The way I understand it is the auto ECU has its own output pin to the cluster to display the speed. A manual is not setup like this. So you must jump pin 80 (on the auto harness) to pin 104. Now pin 104 (auto harness) runs to the engine bay and is the signal wire for the output speed sensor. In a perfect world, you could just plug this plug into your VSS and youre done But... the plug is different. If youre lucky enough, the manual trans came with a pigtail harness for the speed sensor. So cut your existing output sensor plug off and rewire the new plug as follows

red to black/white (power)
black to black (ground)
blue/yellow to black yellow (5v ref)

According to schematics, this SHOULD work. However the only thing in question is, is the cluster a 5v reference display or is it a 12v reference display? Only way to find out is just do it and see what happens. Ill be testing this out today to see what happens.
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I can confirm that works. It is how I did my manual swap to get the speed sensor to work.

Chad told me to ask you, I have a p0135 and p0141 fault since the swap. I have an 03 auto and I used the info available on c3g to do the wiring conversion at the ecu. I'm using an 02 manual ecu because the 03 will not let my car turn over. Yes I have the oat/crank ground going to the right pin.

My question is there a pin out of the 02 ecu? I cannot find one and I think my issue is because the O2 heater circuits are on a different pin for the evo than an O2. For what it's worth the codes go away with the 03 ecu but the car will not turn over.

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Ill look into that issue later. I dont have the schematics in front of me to let you know. Give me a couple days lol I still havent wired up the VSS yet. Its really busy here
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Sounds good thanks man
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I can confirm that works. It is how I did my manual swap to get the speed sensor to work.

Chad told me to ask you, I have a p0135 and p0141 fault since the swap. I have an 03 auto and I used the info available on c3g to do the wiring conversion at the ecu. I'm using an 02 manual ecu because the 03 will not let my car turn over. Yes I have the oat/crank ground going to the right pin.

My question is there a pin out of the 02 ecu? I cannot find one and I think my issue is because the O2 heater circuits are on a different pin for the evo than an O2. For what it's worth the codes go away with the 03 ecu but the car will not turn over.

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To address this, I think the auto ecu is the same for 00-05 except for a 1 pin. The reason why your car wont start with an 03 ecu is you must move pin 57 to pin 16. I bet you on your 03+ ECU, there is no pin sticking out on pin 57 That wire that youre moving is the ground for your cam, crank, IAT, etc.

The o2 circuits I think are the same between the ECus. I am almost positive of this because I actually used a early 3g eclipse pinout and chads car wouldnt start and I later figured out 03+ the only difference was that 1 pin. Moving that 1 pin, magically the car started. Id verify your pin out. Here it is when converting to an EVO ECU but the 2nd number is your pinout for your ECU

I do not know much about the manual ECU as i havent dug into it. From what I understand anyways, manual ecu plug and play with evo ecu all the pins so the same. So if you have an auto harness, use this pinout. If you have a manual, do not use this pinout

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1-1 Injector 1
2-24 Injector 3
4-14 Idle Speed 1
5-15 Idle speed 4
6-6 EGR
8-20 A/C Relay
9-34 Purge control valve
10-11 Ignition coil1 (cyl 1&4)
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17-28 Idle speed 3
18-29 Idle speed 6
19-19 Air flow reset
21-18 Fan speed
22-21 Fuel pump relay
23-12 Ignition coil 2 (cyl 2&3)
24-61 ACD input
25-47 +12v switch power
26-48 Chassis ground
33-8 Alternator G
36-22 CEL
37-52 Power steering switch
38-49 Engine control relay
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41-54 Alternator FR
45-83 A/C pressure switch
51-111 Immobilizer
54-26 Rear O2 heater
55-35 EVAP vent solenoid
58-43 Tach
60-3 O2 heater
61-92 Fuel tank diff pressure
62-85 OBDII
71-58 Engine start
72-64 Air inlet temp
73-91 MAP
75-73 Rear O2 signal
76-71 O2 signal
78-90 Knock sensor
79-113 Diag
80-66 +12v backup
81-46 +5v ref
82-98 +12v ign
83-44 water pump
84-78 TPS
85-55 ATM pressure
86-80 & 104 (to make speedometer work)
88-56 Cam sensor
89-45 Crank sensor
90-65 Air flow meter
92-57 TPS, coolant O2, MDP sesnor ground
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I think I am seeing things now. All the info said to use pin 16 for the ground for 03+. This is WRONG correct? I am supposed to use pin 57 which the info I used said was for 00-02 eclipses. Is this correct? If so the wire is a thicker black one in color right? I need to know because I hard wired the ecu in, my converter Barnes kept popping pins and breaking.
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Follow up, I have an 03 eclipse and I connected pin 16 on my end to pin 40 on the ecu end. What you wrote has that as being correct.
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Maybe I am wrong and mixed up pin #16 and pin #57? Switch between the 2 and see if your 03 ecu works. Im almost sure you have a wire running to pin #16 on your auto harness (assuming you have a 03+ automatic as you said ) and this should go to to pin #40 on evo ecu. If you plug into an 02 ecu, and it works wired this way, then plug in your 03 ecu and switch that wire to pin 57. I dont have schematics in front of me, im just going off memory at what I posted on the internet at this point. I cant verify my info is correct
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Follow up, I have an 03 eclipse and I connected pin 16 on my end to pin 40 on the ecu end. What you wrote has that as being correct.
Then with an 03 ecu, your car should run and with an 02 ecu, your car shouldnt run
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Maybe I am wrong and mixed up pin #16 and pin #57? Switch between the 2 and see if your 03 ecu works. Im almost sure you have a wire running to pin #16 on your auto harness (assuming you have a 03+ automatic as you said ) and this should go to to pin #40 on evo ecu. If you plug into an 02 ecu, and it works wired this way, then plug in your 03 ecu and switch that wire to pin 57. I dont have schematics in front of me, im just going off memory at what I posted on the internet at this point. I cant verify my info is correct
Ok then we are going to assume that pin 57 is what it should be because I looked through all my old info and I definitely have pin 16 going to 40 on the ecu. If this is right all the original info is wrong.

I need the color of the wire. Like I said, I hardwired it in so there are no auto pins to look at anymore
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So the pins in question are 16 and 57. The way the information that is available and posted on both evom and c3g states that pin 16 on the auto goes to pin 40 ecu and is the IAT, can and crank angle ground and pin 57 on the auto goes to 92 on the ecu and is the O2, coolant temp, TPS, MDP and fuel tank ground.

It doesn't make sense to switch them does it? Will that fix all my troubles? Are these 2 grounds different in the auto post 2003 and that is why there are troubles?

Also if pin 16 does not have a pin and I move 57 to ecu40, how am I supposed to ground the stuff on ecu pin 92?

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I am not exactly sure as Ive only had to deal with one issue. My information may not be 100% correct because I cant verify it on another car. All I know is that the wiring I posted above works in an 03+ eclipse 3g auto harness with an evo8 ecu which is exactly your car.

And I wouldnt be surprised if earlier years shared that ground pin 57 you just run 2 into 1. I was just saying switch the grounds around in case I am wrong but I dont think I am and the information I posted is accurate.
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Ok I'm an 03 trying to use a 3g manual ecu. Can you check chads wiring when you have a chance? Where is pin 16 and 57 going to on his ecu? If 16 goes to 40 and 57 goes to 92 then I'm back at square 1. Thanks.

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Chads wiring is posted above. But ill double check when I am in there.
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Sounds good. Any ideas though why the 2002 ecu works with how my car is now and the 2003 will not. Especially if the wiring issues only apply to the auto end. It seems after looking at all the info, if it was a pin 16/57 issue, neither ecu would work. This brings me back to me thinking that the 2002 manual ecu may have a different pinout.
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found a schematic to reference. This applies to rewiring 03-05 Eclipse auto to manual

The way I understand it is the auto ECU has its own output pin to the cluster to display the speed. A manual is not setup like this. So you must jump pin 80 (on the auto harness) to pin 104. Now pin 104 (auto harness) runs to the engine bay and is the signal wire for the output speed sensor. In a perfect world, you could just plug this plug into your VSS and youre done But... the plug is different. If youre lucky enough, the manual trans came with a pigtail harness for the speed sensor. So cut your existing output sensor plug off and rewire the new plug as follows

red to black/white (power)
black to black (ground)
blue/yellow to black yellow (5v ref)

According to schematics, this SHOULD work. However the only thing in question is, is the cluster a 5v reference display or is it a 12v reference display? Only way to find out is just do it and see what happens. Ill be testing this out today to see what happens.
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First off I apologize for reviving an old thread, but I am in the middle of this process and am needing some help. I read through here and the Galant forums but I can't get the speedo working. My wire colors are different than what you have. The car is an 03 gts auto, I bought an 00 gt manual and swapped the trans, master and slave, pedals, clutch/flywheel and axles. Its still on the auto 03 ecu.

Here's what I have:
The speed sensor in the manual trans has a brown connector that leads to a black end, the wires were colored Dark Grey, Yellow, and White. On the other side of that connector they change. The Dark Grey turns into Black/White stripe, the Yellow into Black and the White into White/Blue stripe

My output shaft speed sensor wires for the auto trans are Green with Yellow stripe, Black, and Black with Orange stripe. So mine seem completely different.

I followed along and tapped pin 80 to pin 104(I stripped a portion of each one and then used a piece of 16g wire to link them.) I have tried every combination of the wires from the auto harness to the speed sensor and can't get it working. I have searched and read through most if not all of the swap threads and can't seem to pinpoint what's going wrong. Any help would be appreciated, if you need clarification on anything please let me know!
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