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Old 03/17/2007, 08:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Extremely interesting

And at some parts sadly disturbing. If anybody has seen it they can vouch for it. This is the video "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon". It's about how the moon landing may have been a big hoax (propaganda) to make America win the space race against Russia. It's 45 mins long, but I promise you it's well worth it. It's rather sad when they look at all the billions spent on the space race and how there's poor, sick people dying at the same time in other countries.

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45 minutes?!?

It sounds interesting, for sure, but is there any other source I could view this piece from? For some reason, Youtube vids seem to get out of synch pretty badly on this computer after the first 5 minutes or so...
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jesus christ. I've seen perfectly logical rebuttals to every single argument made by moon landing hoax theories. Maybe it's unfair for me to make any opinion without watching that video, but I'm betting I've seen it all before.

and even IF it was a hoax, why would it be so "sadly disturbing"? What do you think Star Wars and the entire Cold War in general was but one-upmanship and chest-thumping in the place of mutually assured destruction?
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Here's a short clip.



Another thing is that they only released a few number of photo's, and none of the videos on the surface were in color while they had color inside the spacecraft. Also, on the moon's surface, the shadows were not all parallel. Now think about it, if the only light source was from the sun (which it was claimed to be) , every shadow would point in the exact same direction, correct?

Now look even closer. See the hotspot right where the shadow of his head is? Artificial lighting

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jesus christ. I've seen perfectly logical rebuttals to every single argument made by moon landing hoax theories. Maybe it's unfair for me to make any opinion without watching that video, but I'm betting I've seen it all before.

and even IF it was a hoax, why would it be so "sadly disturbing"? What do you think Star Wars and the entire Cold War in general was but one-upmanship and chest-thumping in the place of mutually assured destruction?
Because the United States had taxpayers contribute 137 billion dollars to the project rather than invest that in something worthwhile instead of an ego boost.
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The reflection in Buzz's helmet

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Now the picture is of him right? So OBVIOUSLY you can't say that the hotspot was from a camera flash... (even though they said all pictures were taken in natural sunlight) Also now, look at the shadows from the landing craft and Neil Armstrong in the backround. Notice anything odd? The shadows aren't parallel
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Watch this one too. This is pretty short. It's about how they changed backrounds in the Apollo 17 mission. The evidence is made extremely clear and there is honestly no way you can say that this guy is wrong. It's right in the government released videos of the landing. It has to be true.

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I'd say there are 3 light sources athough maybe only 2 would create shadows:
1) the sun
2) light reflected off of the Earth
3) the billions of stars shining. remember they are MUCH brighter from outside our atmosphere.

I think the one thing that has bugged me about this "conspiracy" is that you dont see stars in their photos/videos but I'd have to guess that they used some heavy filters on all of the cameras outside the spacecraft. I doubt any onboard cameras would need the filters as the window/s would have blocked any damaging rays.
I dunno... but I think it was real.
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They said the way the camera's were designed blocked out the stars. I think it's bullshit. That last video shows in great detail the backdrops and how they were moved. The guy picks out a certain mountain in the backround and shows how pieces of it were moved around the set to make it look like they were in different places. It's like, you can't honestly say he's wrong because it's right there in the actual footage.
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I think the reason the shadows arent paralell in the reflection of his helmet is because the face mask is convex; it's round so it's wrapping the reflected image across its surface. Just a thought...
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I was going to say the same thing.
The shadows would be parallel, I'm sure, if not for the curvature of the helmet.

I'll check out those two shorter vids now... why not.
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I watched the entire 45 minute video (slow day at work), and the only thing that really struck me about it was Neil Armstrong's speech at the 25th Anniversary of the landing.

"To you we say: we have only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered; breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth’s protective layers."

I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but those are some pretty interesting comments coming from a man who has never seemed too terribly proud of his accomplishment.

...other than that, I think that video is a prime example of a nut-job production that only shows evidence to support it's claims, and suffers from extreme over simplification. I hate how it's constantly trying to play on people's emotions; I mean, what the hell is the point in ending all of that with Kennedy's assassination?

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...other than that, I think that video is a prime example of a nut-job production that only shows evidence to support it's claims, and suffers from extreme over simplification. I hate how it's constantly trying to play on people's emotions; I mean, what the hell is the point in ending all of that with Kennedy's assassination?
To lead into the next conspiracy theory video?
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*Sigh* I hope we're not going to see a bunch of topics now about how "eye-opening" Loose Change is too...
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Because the United States had taxpayers contribute 137 billion dollars to the project rather than invest that in something worthwhile instead of an ego boost.
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just watched that yesterday. some very good info in that video
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Not if you're an engineer.
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The video did present an interesting and a compelling argument.
I do agree that NASA could have done better with the technology and the money to provide us better footage, not lame ass, sub par, standard def footage.
With the amount of light that was present they could've gotten great footage.
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What exactly is this Loose change video? Haven't heard of it.
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Because the United States had taxpayers contribute 137 billion dollars to the project rather than invest that in something worthwhile instead of an ego boost.
I have a feeling that the Vikings, Spaniards, and Portugese used to think the exact same thing.... back when the world was actually flat.

We wont know what is of value out/up there until we actually go looking.
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Just finished watching all videos. IMO the whole thing was a hoax!!!!
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Just finished watching all videos. IMO the whole thing was a hoax!!!!
Yeah? I think the whole conspiracy theory is all just a conspiracy.
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I have a feeling that the Vikings, Spaniards, and Portugese used to think the exact same thing.... back when the world was actually flat.

We wont know what is of value out/up there until we actually go looking.
I completely agree. The problem here is that they DIDN'T go there, they "invested" 137 billion dollars in nothing but a big scandle. Approx. 8 billion went to NASA, and the rest was funded by the government. Now if we actually HAD gone up there and done something, then it would have been used in the proper fashion, but imagine what 137 billion dollars could have done for our economy had it not been turned into "Monopoly money". I doubt it cost that much money to make a few knock off pictures and some shitty video
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There are plenty of links to dispute all of their so-called "evidence" that the moon landing was a hoax.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/

Do you need me to link more?
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Old 03/20/2007, 04:44 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I didn't watch the youtube version but I did see the show on discovery. there show did a pretty good job of countering every claim except one. the part about the rocket engines not blowing away the dust on the moon surface. that was pretty obvious and they only glanced over that part. and what they did say didn't make sense either.



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What exactly is this Loose change video? Haven't heard of it.
Its the internet video created by 18 year old film students with no engineering background who insist the WTC came down by controlled demolition because the towers didn't tip over in the same means as a tree when someone yells "timber".
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*Sigh* I hope we're not going to see a bunch of topics now about how "eye-opening" Loose Change is too...
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I've seen all the conspiracy stuff over and over. It's always the same, and it's all been properly refuted over and over. I can't believe anyone still believes any of it.

To be sure, telescope technology has improved to the point where we can see the garbage left behind by the landers.

As for why we spent the money -- it was all a carefully orchestrated plan, one that involved space spending, military spending, funding (and sometimes fighting in) proxy conflicts, etc. The point was to out-spend the Soviets until their entire economy collapsed like the ship-shod, termite-infested hovel that it was. It sure beat the alternative. For decades, a cornerstone of communist theory was that a fight to the death with non-communists was not only inevitable, but desirable. It was Kruschev's withdrawal from this view, and his push towards peaceful coexistance that was largely responsibly for the Sino-Soviet split. Communist firebrand Mao Zedong accused him of being a "revisionist", and continued to preach the dogma of conflict. Of course the "revisionism" didn't stop the Soviets from continuing to threaten us, which is why the fight had to go on. I'd call it money well spent.
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