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Chevy tops Honda and Toyota for Green Car Vision award
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WASHINGTON, DC -- The Chevrolet Equinox Fuel Cell has been honored with Green Car Journal’s Green Car Vision Award™, the first time the auto enthusiast magazine has recognized limited production vehicles for their forward-thinking technologies. The award, which recognizes a vehicle that best “envisions the road ahead,” was presented at the Washington Auto Show by Green Car Journal and GreenCar.com editor Ron Cogan.

Featuring General Motors’ fourth-generation fuel cell propulsion system, the Chevy Equinox Fuel Cell won out over the BMW Hydrogen 7, Honda FCX Clarity, Phoenix Electric SUT, and Toyota Prius Plug-In.

The Equinox Fuel Cell offers the ability to start and operate in sub-freezing temperatures, overcoming one of the fuel cell’s major challenges. It is also designed for a 50,000 mile service life. Cleanly integrated into the Equinox crossover platform, the fuel cell powertrain is engineered to be a real-world driver. While showcasing what many expect to be the automotive powerplant of the future, the Equinox Fuel Cell is also planted firmly in the present. It’s designed to meet U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards and offers StabiliTrac, front and roof rail side-impact air bags, four wheel ABS, and OnStar as standard equipment.

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GM is producing over 100 Chevrolet Equinox Fuel Cell vehicles and placing them in consumer hands as part of the world’s largest fuel cell vehicle test fleet. This process has already begun. The ambitious program, dubbed “Project Driveway,” is part of GM’s ongoing fuel cell development that started more than 40 years ago with the hydrogen fuel cell powered Electrovan. Over the past four decades this development has featured such high profile fuel cell concepts as the Hy-wire, AUTOnomy, Sequel, and the recently announced Cadillac Provoq.

Project Driveway will take place in metropolitan areas on both coasts including New York City, Washington DC, and in California, chosen in part because these locations offer good access to hydrogen refueling facilities. The Equinox Fuel Cell has an estimated range of 200 miles between fill-ups and a top speed of 100 mph. Observant motorists will notice something missing from the rear of the car: in place of usual exhaust pipe are four slots in the rear fascia that dispense this vehicle’s only emissions … water vapor.

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Owned? Hardly. Lutz just proclaimed that ethanol is the way to go in the future there is no sense in diesel. Good thing the rest of the other auto makers in the world are bringing diesel models in this year. Not hybrid, not ethanol, diesel.

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Bob Lutz's prediction is that diesels, at least as far as the US is concerned, won't be much of a factor.

His reasoning is simple: "I think customers are going to say, 'Wait a minute. At equal fuel prices I'm paying $4,000 more for this." Unlike many countries in Europe, the US offers no incentive for people to buy diesels. In the States the price of a diesel vehicle is often more than $1,000 higher than that of a gasoline-engined car, and diesel fuel is just as expensive as gas (throughout California and other states, it's slightly more expensive than premium unleaded). In that case, Lutz's opinion is that just about all the customer will glean from an oilburner is a higher car payment.

Lutz sees diesel uptake in the US hovering at about eight-percent. The technology he sees as winning the day: ethanol. It's clean, it's easy to integrate into the refueling infrastructure, and it "doesn't require a change in consumer behavior." (Except for the people in emerging markets who've seen the price of corn skyrocket.)
True to form, GM will continue on their own road no one is likely to follow; then trying to create an impractical infrastructure for a fuel system no one but GM is going to support, all the while continuing to make gas hogs like the Buick sport ute pig you keep posting in here.

Owned, yeah.
 

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True to form, GM will continue on their own road no one is likely to follow; then trying to create an impractical infrastructure for a fuel system no one but GM is going to support, all the while continuing to make gas hogs like the Buick sport ute pig you keep posting in here.
That is why Toyota and Honda both came out this year with plug-in concepts at this years auto show. They're stepping up to the game GM came out with at last years show with the Volt.
 

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That is why Toyota and Honda both came out this year with plug-in concepts at this years auto show to step up to the game GM came out with at last years show with the Volt.

I take it you didn't read your pseudo bosses comments then. Nope, you didn't.
 

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Owned? Oh Mav, how I love you so...

So GM is so far advanced in their hybrid technology that they have a green car? Can you answer two things for me?

1) Where did GM get their hybrid engine design from?

2) Have they decided how much the Volt will be yet? Or if they are planning on selling the car and then have the customer just lease the batteries?

Let's face it, GM has only dabbled in the business of producing electric cars. Toyota has OWNED it for the last 8 years.

The great Lutz is telling everyone that ethanol is the way to go. He couldn't be more wrong. It takes alot more fuel to get the same horsepower, which leads you to hitting the gas pedal harder, reducing your fuel economy. This, in turn, causes your wallet to be thinner. Which is his exact point as to why people will shy away from diesel. I'll skip over the rising cost of corm right now too.

And let's not get into resale value on a chevy vs. toyota. That is something everyone already knows about.

This just sealed it for me. Lutz is the greatest thing that has ever happened to Toyota. I think I will send him a box of chocolates.
 

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Holy crap. As I read further into your GM rah rah article, it states that the car that won has only a 50,000 service life? Are you guys that stupid at GM as to announce that? Most people realize a GM can only go 100k until you have to dump it off on someone, but now you announce it is half of that? I wonder what the resale will be on onoe that has 45k miles on it? And that is only 3 years of normal driving.

And it only has a range of 200 miles? Mav, PM me when GM actually produces a vehicle that will benefit the market.
 

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Look I dont have time to reply to all of your banter. What I can tell you is that lutz was here last week and he said with the redesign of the volt, and the advancements made just last month in lithium ion batteries, that the volt could literally go 700 miles without using a drop of gas. It will be out in 2010.
 

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What do you mean you don't have time. You work for GM. It's not like you are actually working on producing a better vehicle :fawk2:

But you never did answer my question... who did GM buy the hybrid engine technology from? It shouldn't take that long to type the answer....
 

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the two-mode system that is going into all the vehicles is nothing like the toyota. If GM did buy it from toyota that wouldnt surprise me. I do know that toyota purchased 10 new malibus to tear them apart to learn how they tick. Same difference.
 

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not even close Mav, and you know it. Toyota buying a malibu to learn about their competition is good business sense. It isn't our fault that you guys can't afford to buy a Camry to really see how to build a car.

GM buying a technology to USE AS THEIR OWN is something entirely different. And why the 2 trannys? You guys couldn't figure out how to make a decent CVT work with both systems?

I'm going to stop bashing GM when they have an original thought and you stop posting rah rah crap about how much better GM is than Toyota. Especially when you guys had to buy it from us.

BTW, I had a chance to drive in a new Malibu today. There isn't a single thing toyota wants to learn from that car. It was an LT2 package car. Most plain looking car out there. The sport model looks ALOT nicer, but it still doesn't come close to a camry SE.
 

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not even close Mav, and you know it. Toyota buying a malibu to learn about their competition is good business sense. It isn't our fault that you guys can't afford to buy a Camry to really see how to build a car.
I stopped here. . . mainly because honda did the same thing. Lutz said that they actually received phone calls from honda to congratulate GM on such a solid vehicle in the malibu. Good competition. Don't start spouting off your camry shit to me. Ive been to plenty of ride and drives and yes the camry is present. Dont be a fool.
 

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BTW, I had a chance to drive in a new Malibu today. There isn't a single thing toyota wants to learn from that car. It was an LT2 package car. Most plain looking car out there. The sport model looks ALOT nicer, but it still doesn't come close to a camry SE.
ok, I lied and moved on. Hey, did you ever care to take a look at the sticker price on the malibu you were driving? All 4cyl models could be had for under 20k. THAT is impressive. The v6's (which are all LTZ's at the moment) go for $26 and it is a NICE vehicle. Check one out then I'll listen to your swayed banter.
 

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The Malibu has a ton going for it pricewise and featurewise. But only if you get the LTZ model. Let's not compare sticker prices, because no one in their right mind will pay sticker for either car, we both know that.

As far as price goes, you can get a few of them under 20 grand. Invoice on an LS model is about 18,400. Invoice on a Camry is 18,000. I am sure either can be had for invoice. Which would a normal consumer choose? A malibu or a camry given the pricing? Don't like the LS vs CE comparo? Let's go LT vs LE... Camry is 700 cheaper. LT2 vs XLE? You got me. By about 800 bucks. But I give you so much more equipment, it is an easy sale. Come on, no moonroof in the upscale LT2 package standard?

I am not saying that the Camry is perfect. But I was not the one to start praising the Malibu in the first place.
 

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Owned? Oh Mav, how I love you so...

So GM is so far advanced in their hybrid technology that they have a green car? Can you answer two things for me?

1) Where did GM get their hybrid engine design from?

2) Have they decided how much the Volt will be yet? Or if they are planning on selling the car and then have the customer just lease the batteries?

Let's face it, GM has only dabbled in the business of producing electric cars. Toyota has OWNED it for the last 8 years.
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Are you forgetting the Insight? GM dumped 2 BILLION in R&D into that car. Don't think they just tossed out all of the work they did and didn't apply it to the Volt. GM has built electric cars, Toyota has not - a hybrid is not an electric car.
 

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Are you forgetting the Insight? GM dumped 2 BILLION in R&D into that car. Don't think they just tossed out all of the work they did and didn't apply it to the Volt. GM has built electric cars, Toyota has not - a hybrid is not an electric car.
Ummm.. Don't you mean the HONDA insight? :fawk:
 

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Shit, I meant the EV1. :doh:
I figured you did. But in any case, the EV-1 was never meant to be a fully produced vehicle, so it doesn't hold water. It was priced at over 40k with the upgraded batteries that got you 70-120 miles tops before having to plug in your vehicle, which caused your electric bill to go higher.

If you think toyota doesn't have a fully powered electric vehicle, you are nuts. They are deciding whether or not to proceed with it, that's all. I am not sure americans in ready for a fully electric vehicle anyway. Americans don't want to have to stop every 300 miles and wait around a few hours to recharge their batteries. But Toyota is going to build them anyway.

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Indeed, Toyota executives initially questioned the practicality of plug-in hybrids, saying consumers preferred the convenience of hybrids that did not have to be recharged. Toyota has sold more than one million hybrids worldwide, including more than 800,000 Prius cars.
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You mentioned that GM spent 2 billion on the ev-1. Toyota spends about 1 million PER HOUR on R&D. That is less than 3 months. And that is on our ENTIRE CAR LINE, not just our electric/hybrid cars. If GM can come up with an idea, so can Toyota. Only difference is that we can afford to come up with something better designed, engineered, and produced. And still make money.
 

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I figured you did. But in any case, the EV-1 was never meant to be a fully produced vehicle, so it doesn't hold water. It was priced at over 40k with the upgraded batteries that got you 70-120 miles tops before having to plug in your vehicle, which caused your electric bill to go higher.
Yeah, you're also talking about a car that was engineered 15 to 20 years ago, battery and electromotive technology has advanced in leaps and bounds near then. The point still stands that GM invested 2 billion in a single model, not in the hopes it would become the next Civic, but that the learning there could be applied elsewhere.

If you think toyota doesn't have a fully powered electric vehicle, you are nuts. They are deciding whether or not to proceed with it, that's all. I am not sure americans in ready for a fully electric vehicle anyway. Americans don't want to have to stop every 300 miles and wait around a few hours to recharge their batteries. But Toyota is going to build them anyway.
So all this proves is that Toyota is a step behind GM in creating a marketable electric vehicle. And if gas hits $7/gal, and most Americans are commuting less than 300 total miles per day, I am sure there is a market for an electric vehicle that can go 300 miles on a charge, and be recharged overnight on household 220, or even 110 VAC.

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You mentioned that GM spent 2 billion on the ev-1. Toyota spends about 1 million PER HOUR on R&D. That is less than 3 months. And that is on our ENTIRE CAR LINE, not just our electric/hybrid cars. If GM can come up with an idea, so can Toyota. Only difference is that we can afford to come up with something better designed, engineered, and produced. And still make money.
Right, and again the 2 billion was merely for a single car. GM still carries an enormous R&D budget. As for something better designed, engineered, and produced, well Toyota is on its third attempt at making a competitive fullsize pickup, and has failed yet again. As an engineer, it peeves me to keep being told that Japanese engineers are far superior to American engineers, because I sure haven't seen it first hand.
 
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