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Below is the current and accurate data on the 6g72, 6g74, and 6g75 Non-MIVEC OEM Camshafts.


6g72 Camshafts
(Galant & Eclipse GT Model)
Intake Opens (BTDC) 15*
Intake Closes (ABDC) 53*
Exhaust Opens (BBDC) 53*
Exhaust Closes (ATDC) 15*
248* Intake Valve Duration
248* Exhaust Valve Duration
109* Lobe Seperation Angle
30* Valve Overlap

(Eclipse GTS Model)
Intake Opens (BTDC) 7*
Intake Closes (ABDC) 61*
Exhaust Opens (BBDC) 57*
Exhaust Closes (ATDC) 15*
248* Intake Valve Duration
252* Exhaust Valve Duration
115* Lobe Seperation Angle
22* Valve Overlap


6g74 Camshafts
(1997-2001 Model Years)
Intake Opens (BTDC) 9*
Intake Closes (ABDC) 59*
Exhaust Opens (BBDC) 47*
Exhaust Closes (ATDC) 21*
248* Intake Valve Duration
248* Exhaust Valve Duration
109* Lobe Seperation Angle
30* Valve Overlap

(2002+ Model Years)
Intake Opens (BTDC) 13*
Intake Closes (ABDC) 55*
Exhaust Opens (BBDC) 51*
Exhaust Closes (ATDC) 17*
248* Intake Valve Duration
248* Exhaust Valve Duration
109* Lobe Seperation Angle
30* Valve Overlap


6g75 Non-MIVEC Camshafts
(Galant Models)
Intake Opens (BTDC) 7*
Intake Closes (ABDC) 61*
Exhaust Opens (BBDC) 61*
Exhaust Closes (ATDC) 15*
248* Intake Valve Duration
256* Exhaust Valve Duration
115* Lobe Seperation Angle
22* Valve Overlap

(Endeavor & Montero Models)
Intake Opens (BTDC) 5*
Intake Closes (ABDC) 55*
Exhaust Opens (BBDC) 51*
Exhaust Closes (ATDC) 17*
240* Intake Valve Duration
248* Exhaust Valve Duration
111* Lobe Seperation Angle
22* Valve Overlap


As you can see the engines have the same intake valve duration, whereas the 6g72 in the Eclipse GTSm, and the 6g75 Non-MIVEC engines have a longer exhaust valve duration as well as less valve overlap. What is valve overlap? Overlap is where both the intake and exhaust valves are open at the same time on each cylinder (this occurs around Top Dead Center or TDC). Excessive valve overlap is something commonly found on racing engines, too much overlap also results in rough idle conditions. A lot of overlap favors higher RPM range performance ranther than lower RPM range. A certain amount of valve overlap is beneficial, without it volumetric efficiency of the engine is usually compromised.

Lobe seperation angle: a wider lobe-separation angle (overlap decreases) improves idle quality, idle vacuum and helps top-end power (say 112 to 116 degrees for example). A tighter lobe-separation angle (104 to 110 degrees) will produce a rough idle and better midrange torque but limit top-end power.



Valve Lift Specifications & Tech Information
I measured two sets of 6g72 cams, and a set of 6g75 Non-MIVEC cams using a Mitutoyo calipers. These were my own measurements, and to be as accurate as possible I had all lobes checked for each set of cams. I enlisted the assistance of two engineers who are high end machinists for 20+ years for a company called Sundyne. All of our measurements had no more than a +/- .002” variance.

Here is where we ran into conflicting information between our own measurements and those stated by RPW's measurements. RPW states a "standard Mitsubishi base circle of 1.180" being used for their camshafts. We even went as far as measuring the bare casting area between each cam lobe where the best measurement we obtained was 1.002" maximum between 3 different sets of the 6g7x series camshafts.

I will go one step further and note additional creditable documentation that is easily found in the Factory Service Manual. Here I reference from the 8th Gen Galant FSM (Page 11D-58, under Service Specifications). Camshaft cam height (basically lobe height) is as follows;

8th Gen Galant – Page 11D-58
Intake Standard Value - 1.485"
Intake Limit Value - Minimum 1.465"
Exhaust Standard Value - 1.462"
Exhaust Limit Value - Minimum 1.443"

9th Gen Galant FSM - Page 11D-63
Intake Standard Value - 1.472"
Intake Limit Value - Minimum 1.452"
Exhaust Standard Value - 1.485"
Exhaust Limit Value - Minimum 1.465"

With that information taken into consideration below is what I have found for the valve lift on the stock camshafts. I first measured for the lobe circle, and then measured the lobe height. Now the measurements were as followed;

6g72 Galant & Eclipse GT
Intake Lobe Circle: 1.263"
Intake Lobe Height: 1.485"
Intake Lift: .305" (Per RPW base circle specs)
Intake Lift: .222" (Per my own current measurements)

Exhaust Lobe Circle: 1.263"
Exhaust Lobe Height: 1.470"
Exhaust Lift: .290" (Per RPW base circle specs)
Exhaust Lift: .207" (Per my own current measurements)


6g75 Non-MIVEC Galant
Intake Lobe Circle: 1.263"
Intake Lobe Height: 1.485"
Intake Lift: .305" (Per RPW base circle specs)
Intake Lift: .222" (Per my own current measurements)

Exhaust Lobe Circle: 1.263"
Exhaust Lobe Height: 1.470"
Exhaust Lift: .290" (Per RPW base circle specs)
Exhaust Lift: .207" (Per my own current measurements)


Actual Valve Lift -
I found the rocker ratio for the 6g7x series engines is apparently 1.6, so given what we have found for cam lobe height this is what the actual valve lift should be I guess;

Valve Lift = Lobe Height X Rocker Ratio

Our measurements;
Intake Lobe Height .222"
Exhaust Lobe Height .207"
.222" x 1.6 =.355" Lift (9.017mm)
.207" x 1.6 = .331" Lift (8.407mm)

RPW Spec (1.181" lobe base circle)
Intake Lobe Height .305"
Exhaust Lobe Height .290"
.305" x 1.6 =.488" Lift (12.395mm)
.290" x 1.6 = .464" Lift (11.786mm)


So what does all of this mean? Well that is the difficult part and I am still struggling with trying to find where/how RPW obtained the "standard Mitsubishi 1.181" base circle" specs given what we have found on 3 sets of highly used OEM camshafts. This base circle measurement, as well as the cam specifications we are getting as a result from different measurements.

The question that begs to be asked is if the RPW valve lift specs are actual valve lift, or lobe height? Let's take their Stage 3 cams with .343" advertised lift for example. As we know the Rocker Ratio plays a part in finding the actual valve lift so we will factor this in here as well.

.343" x 1.6 = .549" Valve Lift

If the .343" is actual valve lift, then let's flip the equation to find out for reasonable doubt;
.343"/1.6 = .214" Valve Lift

With that I think it is safe to say the advertised valve lift of .343" is just part of the lobe height measurement on the cam, and actual valve lift is really .549" (13.945mm) vs .214" (5.436mm).


Valve Spring Specifications/Tech

OEM 6g7X Valve Spring Demensions
Installed height is 1.74"
Seat pressure of 60lbs
Spring ID - .639" (+/- .01")
Spring OD - .981" (+/- .01")
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I know at least one galant owner who'd be more than happy to get a set of knock off RPW's for 200$. That is pennies on the dollar, now I just have to find the exact specs on these things. I've got two sets of spotless cams sitting in a sealed container I could send in.

This begs the question of valve springs though, particularly for the 75 guys because they're the ones who float real bad with boost or higher revs. RPW's springs aren't exactly expensive relatively speaking but it's so effing hard to order from them anymore it's ridiculous.
I know at least one galant owner who'd be more than happy to get a set of knock off RPW's for 200$. That is pennies on the dollar, now I just have to find the exact specs on these things. I've got two sets of spotless cams sitting in a sealed container I could send in.
They were very inexpensive to have done, and those guys have a lot of popular grinds available for other platforms. It would just be a matter of providing them with the information or specs you want.

This begs the question of valve springs though, particularly for the 75 guys because they're the ones who float real bad with boost or higher revs. RPW's springs aren't exactly expensive relatively speaking but it's so effing hard to order from them anymore it's ridiculous.
I will need to dig up the company name again that I was going to contact for custom valve springs. Our spring measurements were within the range they could make custom sets for, I just never followed through with the process. We also went as far as finding that the OEM Evo valve springs would fit in our 6g7x cylinder heads, though unsure of the spring pressure they would even provide over the OEM 6g7x springs...however it may be a lead for alternatives?


Btw, posted a book to original post :wavey:
Who said the Evo springs fit our heads? They aren't even close. I bought one years ago to compare and it won't even sit in the base circle. They're wider and shorter and according to a tension measurement I read up on once they're softer than ours too.

When I talked to RPW years ago as well they told me the spring tension wasn't the issue for us (this was prior to any real headway on boosted 75's where float started coming up). It's that the stock springs bind under high lift circumstances and that's what the RPW springs have to offer is that they can compress for the required lift. They made a high PSI set and a basic set, the high psi settling in at 100 psi seat pressure. However that option was dropped last year because it was unneccessary for anything short of insane boost numbers. I've put 17 pounds through the basic springs at 7k and had no issues.


Thanks for the lift specs. I was wondering when a pattern in their cam grinds was going to emerge. Since they use identical springs for all the motors I figured there had to be some reason behind it; all the lifts are the same for stock cams. I talked to an Aussie guy once awhile back about the SOHC cams since custom regrinds were big there for awhile. Told me you can get away with a lot more duration on the stock springs at stock lift levels and extend the powerband to the 6-7k range where the numbers start to look really good. The problem then becomes combatting the choke from long runner manifolds but my work with XG's takes care of that.

A 70mm tb option that isn't me customizing ford products would be sweet too. I've got one going on a 75 this spring that I'm excited to see perform. I know the Evo stuff bolts up and plugs in but the IAC housing is on the top and I don't believe that will clear the hood on a 75 manifold.
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Who said the Evo springs fit our heads? They aren't even close. I bought one years ago to compare and it won't even sit in the base circle. They're wider and shorter and according to a tension measurement I read up on once they're softer than ours too.
:wavey:

6g7x Springs in our heads with OEM retainers


Evo springs/retainers in 74 heads


Evo Spring on Left, OEM on Right


OEM 6g7x on Left, Evo on Right


6g7x Spring base


Evo Spring Base
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I should also note that the FSM states a 60lbs seat pressure at installed height, RPW states their springs need to be checked for a 50-60psi spring pressure as well. I should see if we have the spring tension tool here to double check seat pressure of these springs in this other set of heads.
Well I'll be, I must've been sent the wrong spring. That's quite annoying.

Okay so the springs at least sit on the heads but what about retainers? Needless to say our retainers don't fit on the Evo springs and we have a thinner valve stem so I doubt the Evo retainers will work with our valves.
Well I'll be, I must've been sent the wrong spring. That's quite annoying.

Okay so the springs at least sit on the heads but what about retainers? Needless to say our retainers don't fit on the Evo springs and we have a thinner valve stem so I doubt the Evo retainers will work with our valves.
6g7x Valve Stem OD 5.88mm, Evo Retainer ID 6.53mm
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That doesn't address my question. The Evo has a 6.5mm stem, ours is 6. You need to see if the eclipse locks on the eclipse valve fit the evo retainer the same way the evo valve and locks do.
Parts #'s mean nothing to me if there are no words to label them. Why don't you quite beating around the bush and actually prove something.

Valve locks don't just jam into a retainer. They have to fit the valve and retainer like a glove. Evo locks will not fit our valves because our valves have a smaller stem. On the same note I have a hard time believing that our locks and Evo locks share the same external dimensions in which case we needs springs that fit our retainers. Based solely on imagery our retainers aren't going to sit on top of the Evo springs because they're tapered.

The requirement becomes either custom springs or custom retainers. I'd rather buy custom springs rather than evo springs and custom retainers, it'd be cheaper and easier. Though at this point you might as well order RPW because that will ultimately be cheapest.
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Parts #'s mean nothing to me if there are no words to label them. Why don't you quite beating around the bush and actually prove something.
Use google maps for that place, and then RPW :ninja2:

Also, go measure some 6g7x valve springs and you will find a very very close match up on that listing

#PS 3506/96
Spring OD - 1.010
Spring ID - .695
Spring Installed Height/Valve Seat Pressure - 1.750:68
Valve Open Pressure - 1.270:200
Spring Binds @ 1.130

Take 1.750" - 1.270" = .480" Valve Lift
Take 1.750" - 1.130" = .680" MAX valve lift
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I am aware of the locations..

Taunt as you might, seeing as that I work until 9 tonight and again at 7 tomorrow morning I will request that you find it in your soul to explain yourself so that I may rest easy.
I am aware of the locations..

Taunt as you might, seeing as that I work until 9 tonight and again at 7 tomorrow morning I will request that you find it in your soul to explain yourself so that I may rest easy.
Killing me!!

:fawk:
I have real RPW stuff so I don't even know why I bother. Serves this community right for leaving cam options in the hands of the likes of you. I digress.
I have real RPW stuff so I don't even know why I bother. Serves this community right for leaving cam options in the hands of the likes of you. I digress.
LOL, somebody could always pull their RPW spring out and measure it so we have documentation of our own on them too. I need to find the spring measurements on my laptop or external hard drive and post them.

We already know the 6g7x spring base diameter is 24.62mm/.969 (call it .970"). Installed height is 1.74" and seat pressure of 60lbs. I need to find those measurements for the inside diameter yet, but with all of this information the closest match on the Performance Springs list would be the #PS 3506/96 springs as they have a 1.010" base diameter and a seat pressure of 68lbs at 1.750" installed height. Just trying to put pieces of information together and find RPW's source for their springs, or one who can supply them.
If you knew jack diddly about my car you'd know why those springs aren't coming out unless prompted to do so by a cloud of smoke preceded by a loud bang and some fire. Granted I will be stripping the engine down to the heads in a couple weeks, I don't have a compressor to get the springs out. That said, they matched the stock springs perfectly, the difference being the taller coils to allow for more compression.

Alas, I didn't write all this down but I suppose I should so that when the shade of the passing whims of Matt Schofield's heart begin to change he can't put a choke hold on this endeavor. I'm going to see about this Delta business and hopefully try a set on a local car this spring. That is, once the all stock motor record is thoroughly shattered for the 75. I want to see 12 seconds NA.
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If you knew jack diddly about my car you'd know why those springs aren't coming out unless prompted to do so by a cloud of smoke preceded by a loud bang and some fire. Granted I will be stripping the engine down to the heads in a couple weeks, I don't have a compressor to get the springs out. That said, they matched the stock springs perfectly, the difference being the taller coils to allow for more compression.

Alas, I didn't write all this down but I suppose I should so that when the shade of the passing whims of Matt Schofield's heart begin to change he can't put a choke hold on this endeavor. I'm going to see about this Delta business and hopefully try a set on a local car this spring. That is, once the all stock motor record is thoroughly shattered for the 75. I want to see 12 seconds NA.
Oh I hear you on tearing them out, just thought it was a funny jab LOL

This information is all coming from my books to share as I am doing nothing with the information anymore but sitting on it and have no desire to go back down that business road whatsoever. I have this information posted here, GalantTuners, and Socal3g along with a lot of the other useful bits of information for stuff. This platform is already screwed for aftermarket why hinder it anymore to just make a buck?

I will keep digging through my stuff on springs and such, but this is definitely valuable information for people to have access to.
Just popped a spring out of one of the heads I have here.

Spring ID - .639"
Spring OD - .981"
I'm too lazy to open the sheet on my phone. I guess it doesn't matter though, that company can make them regardless. I've got three sets in a drawer, I'll have to hit up my shop come spring and see what they can hook me up with. I'd like a see a 75 with some radius cut valves and a good stage 2 RPW grind.
I'm gonna leave this here...

Ralliart Magna/380 cam spec (#7/#15)
Inlet duration @0.040" 195.4* with a valve lift of 9.87mm/(.3888")
Ex duration @0.040" 198.2* with a valve lift of 9.36mm/(.3686")

0.040"=~1mm



Diamante/Magna 2002-2005 (#6)

Inlet duration @ 0.050" 171* with a valve lift of 9.05mm
Ex duration @ 0.050" 174* with a valve lift of 8.46mm
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