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If anyone has seen my previous thread I'm looking to change my suspension. I'm not satisfied w. the ride of AGX's W. H&R Springs. I was considering while under the car changing most of the bushings and spring insulators to prothane. My question is will this provide for a smoother ride or w. the prothane parts be too rigid? My current problem is that the car bangs very hard on bumps and the suspension also is very noisy. Mind you the car is 8 years old and this week the 1st suspension piece was changed (a ball joint) all bushings are from the factory!
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How much, if any, of the bump stop did you cut?

Second, a lot of people like the AGX's, and a lot of people hate them. I know a guy locally that ditched his AGX's and went with the Koni's because the ride was so rough. Almost to the point where you wondered if there wa soemthign wrong with AGX's.
Flip out the springs with Intrax and put your AGX on setting 3 int he front and 4 in the rear. You will be very happy.
my friends car rides great with AGX and Tein springs, i think theyre the softer teins. handles well on the street and rides very nicely as well. rough how? bouncy rough, hard, clunky? stiffer bushings wont make a more comfortable ride you know.
its very clunky i guess you would say
I know stiffer bushing won't help but im going to go under the car this weekend and see if maybe i have a bad bushing, also my bump stops are a little less than 3/4 inch! thats how the member i bought the setup from cut them. Maybe a bigger bump stop? Car only slams on bumps, on normal road driving i like how they feel. It's the rough road that murder.
check your strut top mounts, bushings, sway bar bushings and links, and the struts themselves. my friend who now has tiens had goldlines or something shitty. the rears went all bouncy on him and actually blew the AGX! agx can handle lowered, but they cant handle springs that dont hold the weight of the car. its possible that your are bottoming the struts out over hard bumps, im pretty sure he was doing that in the rear, and then bouncing alot after the hard bumps.

have you lost any ride height? his springs sunk pretty badly, worse in the back. the teins handle better and ride soo nice, as smooth as it came from the factory but with MUCH better handling.
Actually i have a thread up about my ride hight my car w. H&Rs is supposed to be lowered 1.4" which it's never right what they say but i'm sitting 2.4" or so off the ground! How do i tell if an agx is blown?
BTW your friend has which teins and agx's??
BTW your friend has which teins and agx's??
uh he doesnt remember, the softer ones iirc. if you track the car, its probably too soft for the track.
not looking for anything track just a smooth everyday ride. How would i know if a shock/strut blew?
I was just driving the car and it is really bouncy over smaller bumps, over larg bumps it bangs like they are bottoming out could this just be a spring problem?
it sounds like your springs are dead in the water so to speak. his was like that too, bouncy rough over small stuff and it felt very hard over large bumps.

i'd suggest changing the springs AND struts. i dont think we cut his rear bump stops very much, but its been a couple years.

i suggest both because what the springs are doing is very hard on the struts parts.
How would i know if a shock/strut is bad?
on normal road driving i like how they feel. It's the rough road that murder.
That's a big statement on this. Here's the options as I see them:

1) Replace the 3/4" worth of bump stop with something a lot more substantial. A new one is 4" or 5" tall or so. I don't remember exactly, but it's a decent size, way more than 3/4". This will actually give you the protection that you want, that large piece of foam is actually pretty hard and is partially designed to protect the car.

2) Maybe turn up the AGX's another notch. They stiffen the compression and rebound at the same time, and stiffening the compression a notch may help as well.

What's happening right now is that your springs are coil binding. Once they are stacked, you have nothing left to absorb a bump and you get the slams. You need more "stuff" in there to keep that from happening. A stiffer strut will help, a large piece of foam rubber (aka bumpstop) will as well.

Unfortunately it's got to come apart, and you'll have to buy 4 new bump stops too. When those go in, don't cut too much off. My rule of thumb (take it or leave it) is if you lower the car an inch, cut off an inch. If you lower it 2", cut off 2". And so on.

Once it's pulled apart, you'll know if the strut is good or dead. A good strut will be hard to push in, and will push itself right back out. A dead one won't do that at all, it'll either slide in and out easily, or just drop in and not even try to come back out.
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That's a big statement on this. Here's the options as I see them:

1) Replace the 3/4" worth of bump stop with something a lot more substantial. A new one is 4" or 5" tall or so. I don't remember exactly, but it's a decent size, way more than 3/4". This will actually give you the protection that you want, that large piece of foam is actually pretty hard and is partially designed to protect the car.

2) Maybe turn up the AGX's another notch. They stiffen the compression and rebound at the same time, and stiffening the compression a notch may help as well.

What's happening right now is that your springs are coil binding. Once they are stacked, you have nothing left to absorb a bump and you get the slams. You need more "stuff" in there to keep that from happening. A stiffer strut will help, a large piece of foam rubber (aka bumpstop) will as well.

Unfortunately it's got to come apart, and you'll have to buy 4 new bump stops too. When those go in, don't cut too much off. My rule of thumb (take it or leave it) is if you lower the car an inch, cut off an inch. If you lower it 2", cut off 2". And so on.

Once it's pulled apart, you'll know if the strut is good or dead. A good strut will be hard to push in, and will push itself right back out. A dead one won't do that at all, it'll either slide in and out easily, or just drop in and not even try to come back out.
Hopefully this makes some sense of bump stops and etc. relating to protecting the car:

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first off +1 for some really good info right there. Secondly, I went under the car last night to check out exactly how much bump stop is there, because I haven't really payed attention to it since I gave everything to the shop to put on. Here's what I found .....

In the front: Stock bump stop cut down to about 3/4 - 1 inch. It was so small that from impact it was actually pressed all the way into the top mount. Meaning I pretty much had NO bump stop in the front.

In the rear: IDk how much bump stop was actually cut, but it was so small it was actually pressed so far up into the mount I won't be able to pry it out untill I actually take the assembly apart!

So i think i finally have a cause to all my problems .. No bump stops! I'm going to check this out this weekend and see how it affects my ride. Right now my setting are on a 2 in the front and 3 on the back for daily driver use. Anyone feel i should go stiffer or that is good for a DD?

Also I will be trying to cut the stops as you said Tracer, w/ the springs I have I'll try taking off 1.5". Again, thanks for all the info.
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