any pictures?

 

I don't have any. D3 has some, and also another member. Maybe they can post some.

 

OK, so how'd you do? What mods? How did your brakes hold up? I made smores out of my metal masters at watkin's glenn, gave me a whole new appreciation for brake pads

 

Have any of their times?

 

One thing I do wonder about the D3 racecar and the 3G is how much better of a car is it with less weight? I mean yeah every car with less weight handles better but what of the 3G? I bet getting rid of the AC unit helps even out weight distribution and power/weight ratio, I always did wonder...

 

OK, so how'd you do? What mods? How did your brakes hold up? I made smores out of my metal masters at watkin's glenn, gave me a whole new appreciation for brake pads

(I was just a helper, but 4 3G's at a Road Course!! ). Got to take a few rides with my friends, and going out there is crazy. Totally would be something I would be interested in doing in a car other than my own Couldn't really see abusing it THAT hard

Strider, as for this times. I can't remember the best D3 ran, but I can remember timing him at low 1:40-ish consistently. James said he was having a problem with the suspension, and also the track was way too freaking hot, and no traction was to be had. Not to mention his tires were bald to the steel. The best that one of the other 3G's ran was like 1:47, but that guy was also consistenly running in the 1:50's.

 

Hey ty, is there a website for the sanctioning body you race with? Or was this more of a open track event?

 

Here are some pics.
Sorry none were taken when the car was on the track.

Thank you,

I don't have any. D3 has some, and also another member. Maybe they can post some.

 

Hey ty, is there a website for the sanctioning body you race with? Or was this more of a open track event?

It's a mix, this day in particular was open, but they do events also:

www.speedventures.net

 

Jeez, one of these days when I make it out to california, I'm going to rent me a dodge neon RT with ideot insurance and hit leguna seca, tons of race-tracks out west, very jealous.

 

Ya'll should invest in some magnetic numbers, blue tape on that car doesn't look quite right lol.

 

Strider, as for this times. I can't remember the best D3 ran, but I can remember timing him at low 1:40-ish consistently. James said he was having a problem with the suspension, and also the track was way too freaking hot, and no traction was to be had. Not to mention his tires were bald to the steel. The best that one of the other 3G's ran was like 1:47, but that guy was also consistenly running in the 1:50's.

That sounds about right. It puts the D3 car about in line with Spec Miata. On a better day, maybe SE-R Cup or even Honda Challenge 4/5.

 

I really like the D3 car. Maybe its just because we really havent had a true race prep 3rd gen before, but I really like it. Reminds me of a JGTC car.

 

I really like the D3 car. Maybe its just because we really havent had a true race prep 3rd gen before, but I really like it. Reminds me of a JGTC car.

The video from tonight :twothumb:

 

The video from tonight :twothumb:

That was awesome man. Next time I'll try to get off work to go.

 

Reminds me of a JGTC car.

How or why? You do not measure the lap times of a JGTC car with a sundial. :lol:

Here are the results from Speedventures website, by the way:

NC 5 2 Dr. Design 01:40.930 89.17 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS 2003 Race 260

If you want the full results, go here and get the results for 8/7/2004:

http://www.speedventures.net/event_results.asp

He took fifth in the non-classed division, a bit over a second slower than a 220 horsepower Mini. It's the fastest 3G there, definitely. Of course, of the other two, one is a four-cylinder with 145 horses and the other one is a GT that's listed as having 200 horsepower as opposed to the 260 listed of the D3 car. Both of them were on street tires while the D3 car was on race tires which makes a HUGE difference. But then there are the excuses.

 

Well, if you going to start listing places, its only fair to show the rest:

NC 1 10 Joe Catron 01:33.554 96.2
NC 2 6 Todd Serota/TracQuest 01:35.752 93.99
NC 3 4 Manny Coats 01:35.896 93.85
NC 4 3 cgfli4 01:38.833 91.06 mini cooper s 2003 Race 220

Let's see, Mr. Joe Catron, prefessional instructor that was driving Dodge Viper.
#2 Todd Serota, another instructor driving a twin turbo porsche Carrera, also known as the YellwCab.
#3 The blue mini. Can't say much about this one, besides it being fast as shit.

And then there's the D3 car in 4TH

And seeming how he ran FASTER than these cars:

5 5 2 Ludedude-JP 01:40.583 89.48 Honda S2000 2001 Race 240
5 6 1 bobmoore2 01:42.861 87.5 Chevrolet Corvette 2000 Street 345
5 7 0 Bearsky 01:43.227 87.19 BMW M3 2002 Street 333
5 8 0 scotts94z32 01:46.188 84.76 Nissan 300ZX 1994 Race 400

And only a couple of tenths behind the Evo that Road/Race helped build:

5 4 3 Hallster 01:40.553 89.51 Mitsubishi Evolution 2003 Street 272

I would say that was pretty damn good.

 

The website won't let me edit my other post, but just to add, those drivers where also put into class 5. And yes, I looked at it wrong, the D3 car was 5th.

 

I would say that was pretty damn good.

Now look at the Eclipse GT with only 200hp and street tires. The website says race tires count for about four seconds in lap time. So an Eclipse with 60 less hp, no chasis bracing, and street tires was only 6 seconds slower on a 1:40 track. And if you account for the tires, was only 2-3 seconds slower. Not bad for a couple thousand dollars less. It would be very interesting to know that driver's skill is, as well as mods on the car.

The other thing that always gets me at the D3 car is all the crap on it. If you were building a true race car, why put a bodykit and wing that only adds weight when they claim they are so big about weight reduction? Function > Form.

Again, as I mentioned in the other D3 thread though, I'm just an amateur that notices these things, so who knows?

 

Now look at the Eclipse GT with only 200hp and street tires. The website says race tires count for about four seconds in lap time. So an Eclipse with 60 less hp, no chasis bracing, and street tires was only 6 seconds slower on a 1:40 track. And if you account for the tires, was only 2-3 seconds slower. Not bad for a couple thousand dollars less. It would be very interesting to know that driver's skill is, as well as mods on the car.

Well, here is the reason I'm not saying much about the tires. The tires themselves are Toyo's, but there not slicks. They just get worn down into slicks. They D3's car also had the rear tires showing metal threading from the tires, so I think at that point, it doesn't help.

 

Well, here is the reason I'm not saying much about the tires. The tires themselves are Toyo's, but there not slicks. They just get worn down into slicks. They D3's car also had the rear tires showing metal threading from the tires, so I think at that point, it doesn't help.

But they are race tires, not street tires, correct? They are physcially different in composition, right? I honestly don't know, and I dunno if D3 would share that information since they sem to be so tight lipped about everything else they have done.

 

I don't remember the specifics but I think they were Toyo R-1's, DOT approved, and the new ones in the truck had grooves like any normal tire.

 

I don't remember the specifics but I think they were Toyo R-1's, DOT approved, and the new ones in the truck had grooves like any normal tire.

Again from that site, racing tires are DOT approved. It seems to me there are three types of tires. Street, like most people run on their cars, Race which are DOT but made of a different compound, and slicks, which are no kidding racing slicks. DOT-R tires may still have grooves unless they are shaved, then I would assume they would be classified as slicks.:dunno:

 

I don't remember the specifics but I think they were Toyo R-1's, DOT approved, and the new ones in the truck had grooves like any normal tire.

While they may have grooves, the rubber compound is VERY different from a normal tire. Toyo RA-1's are 80-100 treadwear tires specifically made for extra grip in racing conditions, aka they're Toyo's Road Race tires. I have them on my car and can tell you they're a hell of a lot stickier than any normal tire you'd be running on.

 

Now look at the Eclipse GT with only 200hp and street tires. The website says race tires count for about four seconds in lap time. So an Eclipse with 60 less hp, no chasis bracing, and street tires was only 6 seconds slower on a 1:40 track. And if you account for the tires, was only 2-3 seconds slower. Not bad for a couple thousand dollars less. It would be very interesting to know that driver's skill is, as well as mods on the car.

Supposedly the guy who drives the D3 car is a professional who has many years of competitive driving experience, least thats what I remember when he tried to go head to head in a racing experience debate with John Mueller. On the other hand, the guy driving the stock 3G prolly is not a professional, and mearly a beginner.

I think professionals drive better than beginners, but what do I know?