Do you have any specific insight or is this just your opinion? I think this has been fairly well covered in the BRAT thread.

 

opinion has nothing to do with it, the fact is that the device functions the same as every other piggyback.

 

I thought it was obvious that this is what the BRAT does?

Anything that goes between an ECU and its sensors, cannot do anything more than hack, slash, tweak, and jerk off the sensor signals.

 

The point is that ripp has not created anything new, contrary to what they would have everyone believe.

 

The point is that ripp has not created anything new, contrary to what they would have everyone believe.

BRAT ownz you!!!! You too shall succumb to the wrath know as the BRAT!!!!!!
:fawk:

 

wtf does brat stand for?

 

cool dude, have fun continuously having to retune your emanage every 2 weeks or so because the stock ECU just changes whatever piggu back input you put in.....

The BRAT is NOT really a piggy back. The BRAT entails a table of sensor information that is relayed to the ecu so that the ECU is HAPPY all the time and never wants to retune whatever inputs you put into it....

:nuts:

 

cool dude, have fun continuously having to retune your emanage every 2 weeks or so because the stock ECU just changes whatever piggu back input you put in.....

The BRAT is NOT really a piggy back. The BRAT entails a table of sensor information that is relayed to the ecu so that the ECU is HAPPY all the time and never wants to retune whatever inputs you put into it....

:nuts:

I have not had to retune my e-manage in a year and a half.

Alas, by it's true definition regardless of it's internal processing it is by all means a piggy back.

 

cool dude, have fun continuously having to retune your emanage every 2 weeks or so because the stock ECU just changes whatever piggu back input you put in.....QUOTE]

I don't really care about the BRAT, but this notion that the ECU fighting the ALL piggyback tunes is irritating. Does Tearstone or jbasol have to adjust their tune every two weeks? No, because they know how to do it. I'm not saying piggybacks are the answer to every tuning solution, but saying that they can't be employed with success is obviously false since people have been doing just that.

 

Does Tearstone or jbasol have to adjust their tune every two weeks? No, because they know how to do it. I'm not saying piggybacks are the answer to every tuning solution, but saying that they can't be employed with success is obviously false since people have been doing just that.

:bowdown:

 

cool dude, have fun continuously having to retune your emanage every 2 weeks or so because the stock ECU just changes whatever piggu back input you put in.....

The BRAT is NOT really a piggy back. The BRAT entails a table of sensor information that is relayed to the ecu so that the ECU is HAPPY all the time and never wants to retune whatever inputs you put into it....

:nuts:

Um, quite honestly...........isn't that what piggybacks' supposed to do? take what information is given to it, and alter it so that the ECU doesn't have a hissy fit? Quite honestly from my point of view ( having owned a sds), and reading their boards, the Black Box Basically doesn't live up to it's supposed reputation. A properly tuned eManage for that individual car will and does work better (meaning compared to the black box, I don't know much about the Brat,and after my dealings with the BB, I don't want to).

 

I had My SAFCII tuned by a professional on a dyno and I still ran into problems with the tune. I can not afford to be taking my car to be dyno tuned once a month. It cost like 300 bucks an hour or some ridiculous figure. I dunno if this thing is legit but I am willing to give it a try, just as I gave the SAFC a try. Everybody said this (SAFC) would solve all my problems and it has not. I say before anybody does any bashing lets see if this thing backs up what Ripp says. I am in no way defending Ripp, because I have some serious issues with the headers I have from them, cat going out after 3000 miles, jet coating peeling, and SES codes to name a few, then to call and be told there is nothing they can do because they are changing the headers. I call serious bullshit on that part because obviously there was underlying problems with the headers and had to be fixed. But, like I said I am willing to give it a shot, and if it is just bull then it will push me the other way in F.I. I also do not here anyone bashing the turbo guys. Turbo charged 3g's have there fair share of issues to. I know tearstone has a nice set-up and his car runs flawlessly, but there are some SDS cars out there that do not have problems either. If I recall icemanrld19's car was in the shop just under a month of having the turbo on. Do not quote me on that but it wasn't on there long. I say it needs more testing in the feild on members cars before it is just judged as trash.

 

i tuned my emanage last year.
havent had problems since then.

edit... that should read: havent had problems with THE TUNE since then.

god knows ive had nothing but problems with the ripp hard parts... everything from leaking welds on the exhaust to improper machine work on the shaft housing and pulley key.

really the only part of the kit i havent had problems with is the part that ripp didnt make: the blower.

 

Well then maybe an emanage is the answer. I just know that all these people driving around with a SAFC2 are not getting the performance they should.

 

cool dude, have fun continuously having to retune your emanage every 2 weeks or so because the stock ECU just changes whatever piggu back input you put in.....

The BRAT is NOT really a piggy back. The BRAT entails a table of sensor information that is relayed to the ecu so that the ECU is HAPPY all the time and never wants to retune whatever inputs you put into it....

:nuts:

:lolspit: Looks like somone read a little to far into RIPPMODS turbos vs supercharger thread.

Your right d00d! :twothumb: "Simply put, our electronics are just too smart."

 

I think I am just gonna go out on E-bay and buy a 6G72 motor and do the build from that. Maybe have the whole thing done by summer and then see where this brat thing is then.

 

Um, quite honestly...........isn't that what piggybacks' supposed to do? take what information is given to it, and alter it so that the ECU doesn't have a hissy fit? Quite honestly from my point of view ( having owned a sds), and reading their boards, the Black Box Basically doesn't live up to it's supposed reputation. A properly tuned eManage for that individual car will and does work better (meaning compared to the black box, I don't know much about the Brat,and after my dealings with the BB, I don't want to).

Right on man, I had a BB, it was the worst piece of technology ever invented. I hope the reflash for the ECU works, since I really wouldn't want to deal with a piggyback that supports another piggyback, ROFL . I think for mild tuning a reflash and emanage would work best, but for heavy mods and engine rebuild Standalone is the only way to go.

 

To be honest with all of you, i really do not understand all this tuning and electronic stuff as much as i would like to (and i have talked with Russ about this), so im just putting my senses in from what i have been reading.Tuning (engine wise) is the ONLY thing i am really not confortable with when it comes to cars.

With that said, i am under the impression that our ECU's are very anal and intelligent and always want to run at the stock parameters and shut everything else out. Maybe not with the emanage, but with the black box (and i saw it with my own eyes), there would be a battle between the ecu and the black box. This is why there would be cold start issues and CELs and the 1000mile break in period. The BRAT is ripps solution to the problem.

However, there still has to be some sort of battling with with the piggy backs and ecus regardless of what piggy back you are using.... I remember reading Jbasol's post and he was talking about how he was datalogging and found that the ecu was reverting back to different fuel mapping and he would have to periodically adjust that. I remember him saying something along the lines of "i do not trust my car without a datalogger in my hand right now".

That was the reason for my post. No need for attacking, we are all buddies and i have no intention of causing fights and problems within the community. Im here for the better of this platform which is why im set out to have the most powerful 6g72 equipped eclipse/stratus/sebring/galant out there.

I REALLY want to go with a standalone to be honest. However, i have an auto and noone has done it before (atleast, from what i know). I know people like Kris have done it with a manual, but... :ugh:

 

To be honest with all of you, i really do not understand all this tuning and electronic stuff as much as i would like to (and i have talked with Russ about this), so im just putting my senses in from what i have been reading.Tuning (engine wise) is the ONLY thing i am really not confortable with when it comes to cars.

With that said, i am under the impression that our ECU's are very anal and intelligent and always want to run at the stock parameters and shut everything else out. Maybe not with the emanage, but with the black box (and i saw it with my own eyes), there would be a battle between the ecu and the black box. This is why there would be cold start issues and CELs and the 1000mile break in period. The BRAT is ripps solution to the problem.

However, there still has to be some sort of battling with with the piggy backs and ecus regardless of what piggy back you are using.... I remember reading Jbasol's post and he was talking about how he was datalogging and found that the ecu was reverting back to different fuel mapping and he would have to periodically adjust that. I remember him saying something along the lines of "i do not trust my car without a datalogger in my hand right now".

That was the reason for my post. No need for attacking, we are all buddies and i have no intention of causing fights and problems within the community. Im here for the better of this platform which is why im set out to have the most powerful 6g72 equipped eclipse/stratus/sebring/galant out there.

I REALLY want to go with a standalone to be honest. However, i have an auto and noone has done it before (atleast, from what i know). I know people like Kris have done it with a manual, but... :ugh:

:hug3:
I say go for it because it will only push others to make something faster and better, whether it be TC or SC.

 

I REALLY want to go with a standalone to be honest. However, i have an auto and noone has done it before (atleast, from what i know). I know people like Kris have done it with a manual, but... :ugh:

The guy that posted above you "ClipseGT" will get you everything you need to know about wiring in a standalone unit such as an AEM EMS to your car. Keep in mind that I also carry 3 different levels of Haltech devices through RPW. From what I understand RPW has made straight plug & play harnesses for the new eclipse/Galant/lancer platforms out there.

 

The guy that posted above you "ClipseGT" will get you everything you need to know about wiring in a standalone unit such as an AEM EMS to your car. Keep in mind that I also carry 3 different levels of Haltech devices through RPW. From what I understand RPW has made straight plug & play harnesses for the new eclipse/Galant/lancer platforms out there.

Yup, either a Haltech E8 or something in that nature or a AEM EMS will do the job.

 

How does the Haltech compare to the EMS? I am aware of it but never read about comparisons....

 

To be honest with all of you, i really do not understand all this tuning and electronic stuff as much as i would like to (and i have talked with Russ about this), so im just putting my senses in from what i have been reading.Tuning (engine wise) is the ONLY thing i am really not confortable with when it comes to cars.

With that said, i am under the impression that our ECU's are very anal and intelligent and always want to run at the stock parameters and shut everything else out. Maybe not with the emanage, but with the black box (and i saw it with my own eyes), there would be a battle between the ecu and the black box. This is why there would be cold start issues and CELs and the 1000mile break in period. The BRAT is ripps solution to the problem.

However, there still has to be some sort of battling with with the piggy backs and ecus regardless of what piggy back you are using.... I remember reading Jbasol's post and he was talking about how he was datalogging and found that the ecu was reverting back to different fuel mapping and he would have to periodically adjust that. I remember him saying something along the lines of "i do not trust my car without a datalogger in my hand right now".

That was the reason for my post. No need for attacking, we are all buddies and i have no intention of causing fights and problems within the community. Im here for the better of this platform which is why im set out to have the most powerful 6g72 equipped eclipse/stratus/sebring/galant out there.

I REALLY want to go with a standalone to be honest. However, i have an auto and noone has done it before (atleast, from what i know). I know people like Kris have done it with a manual, but... :ugh:

jbasol found that his WOT tune would be off if the fuel trims are off. Thus when he zeroed out his fuel trims his tune held fine, ie no "fighting" with the ECU. The last I heard is that he checks the trims every couple of weeks to be on the safe side but hasn't needed any adjustments. And he has put thousands of miles on his car since then.

All buddies as far as I am concerned. I think we are all here to learn and discussions like this are good as long as it is kept from all out bashing of a certain product. Good luck with your project!

 

To be honest with all of you, i really do not understand all this tuning and electronic stuff as much as i would like to (and i have talked with Russ about this), so im just putting my senses in from what i have been reading.Tuning (engine wise) is the ONLY thing i am really not confortable with when it comes to cars.

With that said, i am under the impression that our ECU's are very anal and intelligent and always want to run at the stock parameters and shut everything else out. Maybe not with the emanage, but with the black box (and i saw it with my own eyes), there would be a battle between the ecu and the black box. This is why there would be cold start issues and CELs and the 1000mile break in period. The BRAT is ripps solution to the problem.

However, there still has to be some sort of battling with with the piggy backs and ecus regardless of what piggy back you are using.... I remember reading Jbasol's post and he was talking about how he was datalogging and found that the ecu was reverting back to different fuel mapping and he would have to periodically adjust that. I remember him saying something along the lines of "i do not trust my car without a datalogger in my hand right now".

That was the reason for my post. No need for attacking, we are all buddies and i have no intention of causing fights and problems within the community. Im here for the better of this platform which is why im set out to have the most powerful 6g72 equipped eclipse/stratus/sebring/galant out there.

I REALLY want to go with a standalone to be honest. However, i have an auto and noone has done it before (atleast, from what i know). I know people like Kris have done it with a manual, but... :ugh:

I have done a full standalone and kept my auto transmission. Its simple to do. There is another guy from what i hear doing the same thing or is already done w/ it

 

yeh but its different balla..... there is already a harness for the 4cyl manual guys, we have nothing for the v6 guys.....