While I bet it is a quality product, I just don't see owners of 3G's putting money towards it. Why? Because most 3G owners are a bunch of cheap-ass high school kids who have the car for their first car.

 

:agreed: Say it again!

 

Alright the only benefit i see in this product is the lifetime warranty which is good. Dampening rate isnt a big issue since the most top dollar coilovers usually only go up to 15 anyways. Most of the popular coilovers out there now have the ability to switch spring rates for people who want a custom set up. I didnt see you mention anything about camber plates. Is that a option as well. i dont see the 3g community jumping on this since they can 800 give or take coilovers from other brands. Hell people dont even want to pay that price haha

A lil off topic question. Why are you running stiffer springs in the rear. 10k front and 8k rear is what i run and it performs great

 

The reason I'm going with higher spring rates in the rear is because of this very informative article on evolutionm


Usually when you see spring rates for a set of coilovers it's something like 8kg/6kg. Makes sense, since the EVO is a little front heavy right? Well actually there's another factor at play.

"The EVO has a multi-link rear suspension. The rear EVO spring is mounted inwards on the arm just a little bit. Unlike the front strut which is pretty much mounted at the hub, a 5k spring rate in the rear does not mean a 5k rate at the wheel. Essentially the suspension arm is a moment arm....placing the spring inwards towards the pivot point means it needs to be stiffer. Sometimes you'll see people mention the "motion ratio." For the front EVO with the strut based suspennsion, it's close to 1 (almost). For the rear, it's somewhere between .6 to .9.

To get the "wheel" rate, you multiply the spring rate by the square of the motion ratio.

So that 8kg/6kg is really more like 8kg/3.7kg ish."

The 8G galant and the 3G eclipse also have a multi link rear suspension, this is the reasoning for it, I've talked to the guys @ GTworx extensively on the subject, and they agree with me. Also, the warranty isn't the only benefit, how many of the coilovers available for this platform now can be revalved and rebuilt easily to match the rates of the new springs that can be purchased? These can. Comes with camber plates standard. I'll take pics next time I go

 

interesting do you have have a link to that article. Eventhough we might have similar set ups to a evo you cant forget that the evo is awd compared to our fwd. So it will handle slightly different for those rates. Im still curious to see how this comes out

I cant vouch for all the coilover companies but i know with megans you can get them revalved and rebuilt for new spring rates

 

I'm interested in these plus they do cost less than the coilovers I have on my list to buy.

 

oh i know the ones your thinking of. If i manage to break my megans this could be alternative option

 

I may be able to add some info here. I talked with Andy about these coilovers for my Evo about a year and a half ago and was very close to buying them. Honestly, I have heard both good and bad things about them. Everything from they have great internals (the most important thing because the valving, not the springs etc really seperate crap from good coilovers) to they are just refurbished Chinese coilovers (which I actually doubt is true).

I have ridden on one set that were not that great but the owner admitted to not having them set up or installed correctly, so I can't really say anything directly. I will say that customer service can be slow. The reason I never tried them myself is because after 3 months, he still had not sent the coilovers, so I canceled the order. I also know there is a bit of a row with some honda owners (google AMR and honda).

That said, there is a guy who races his Evo X at rally events and said very complimetary things....BUT he did switch to ASTs within 1 year so there you go. There is also a thread on evoxforums.com where a poster had an issue that I think was eventually resolved...but that person is switching to Ohlins. So not sure if he was unhappy or not.

They MAY be an alternative to KW which are the best coilovers I am aware of currently in production for the 3G eclipse (there are better coilovers but they are not made for this car). They will be similar in price (~1800). An advantage is that Andy does machine his own stuff and can make rubber lined upper mounts (makes it quiter) or camber plates. Certainly no worse and likely better than the D2, skunk, and Megans that I see on alot of cars here.

Greddy,

You need to find or calculate the motion ratios for the eclipse to figure out your spring rates. Also, need to figure out the transfer on the rear sway you are using as that can effect the dynamic balance and allow you to use a slighly softer rear spring (benefit is better ride comfort).

You may be happy with Andy. As I said, I came very close. Being close to him in Oregon, you have a very good advantage. I know Miles and Drew at GTWorx and have bought from them, they are nice guys and know their stuff. If you want a sure thing, you can go with KWs IMHO. I have them and been really pleased. They compare very well with Ohlins that I have driven on a friends Evo X and with my Robispec suspenion on my Evo (which was very very close to the Ohlins). Feel free to PM me with questions if you want. Also include a lifetime warranty and they stand up to winter very well. If you have to wait for enough posters here to sign up for coilovers that run >1500 then you may not be able to get Andy to bite. Too few of us around.

 

Got them installed, Andy made me some custom front adjustable endlinks, took us 8 hours to get old coils off, add a rear camber kit, install the new coils, retap about 5 holes, replace countless snapped hardend bolts that had rusted themselves into becoming one with the suspension arms lol, corner balanced the car, set a rudimentary alignment, and replace a torn boot on the axle. All that's left is to replace a bushing in the rear, tweak the ride height and and adjust the cornerbalancing a bit to compensate for the change in ride height, and do a final alignment.
Very long night, but super productive, as far as the coils go, AMAZING. So smooth! on full soft, it feels like a luxury car. Middle stiffness setting, it's perfect for track days, and this is with 8K 10K spring rates, I couldn't be more happy. Blows any coilover I've ever ridden on in any car (I've ridden on OHlins, KW, AST, etc) other than maybe a set of Ohlins in terms of ride quality while simultaneously providing way better handling than the megans ever did. I LOVE THEM and would strongly recommend them to any 8G/3G owner.

 

Look nice. Depending on how much it will cost to get John to rebuild my JICs this winter, I may be interested.

 

Track Review: These work great, car is very neutral, perfect amount of rotation while trail braking through tight corners, I hit Portland International Raceway the other day, these are head and shoulders above every coilover I've experienced with the exception of KW, Ohlins, and AST. I would say ride/handling is comparable to the three that I mentioned, but cost is so much less. here's a photo from the track, this is in turn two of PIR

 

Nothing for my Celica

 

Contact him, he'll be able to make you something I'm sure, there was nothing for 3G/8G's until I started the ball rolling.

 

The picture wont work man. I am also interested in the coils pricing

 

pic should be working now. contact him for pricing

 

Pic still isn't working. Try photobucket

 

Haha, ok, I could see the image for whatever reason, I'm assuming there was some sort of flickr error message for you guys?

 

i can see the images

 

Might have to look into these, i maybe in the market soon. Will fully read tonight when i get home, thanks for looking out friend.

 

Is there a price posted anywhere... On my phone so I didn't read it all

 

Anyway, now price, is more than your typical off the shelve, but still cheaper than teins not to mention you never have to pay to get them rebuilt. My coils are 1690, and you pay half up front, and half once you've taken delivery of your product. Since I provided him with a strut, he is knocking 50 bucks off the price for me as well so total comes to 1640.

Here you go

 

That's really not a terrible price if they are as good as stated.

 

now whats the drop in the front and rear on these coils? cuz im looking to have a bigger drop than 2 inches..i know they're adjustable but will the ride be good if that low? im on springs rite now but i want a bigger drop

 

Coils will have a far better ride then springs

 

yea i know but i got a friend with a corolla on coils n his ride is good for doing quick turns but on some roads its just to hectic

 

It all depends on the spring rates you go with. the drop is far more than 2 inches and if you're going for the hellaflush fanboi look you can talk to Andy and have him make you one with an even shorter damper body if necessary.

 

haha i like that response. How are those new sway bar links treating ya

 

Aren't D2 like 900

 

Yeah...and?

 

Here's another shot from their initial track shakedown